How much influence are you happy for AI to have?

[Nick Jansky]

how am I missing it when the Guardian report claims its Brighton who have nett spent 200m more than sales

yes theyve done well developing players but spending 200m on top of what they sold is what the Guardian reports , the highest in the prem not something Im being ignorant of as you imply

if you dont believe the report fine, but its not me claiming it

Bloom genius shown by Brighton five-year net spend figures

Despite spending £193m in the summer transfer window, Brighton still have a net spend surplus for their dealings over the past five years

www.wearebrighton.com

 

[ben1987]

how am I missing it when the Guardian report claims its Brighton who have nett spent 200m more than sales

yes theyve done well developing players but spending 200m on top of what they sold is what the Guardian reports , the highest in the prem not something Im being ignorant of as you imply

if you dont believe the report fine, but its not me claiming it

They’re £39 million in PROFIT over the last 5 years including the £200m spend last summer.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

If our AI is seemingly identifying two players from the same team in the second division in Bulgaria then id argue there’s some garbage going into our AI model(s).

First of all they came from a top flight team in Bulgaria, secondly they weren't signed with this season in mind.

Erling Haaland was plucked out of the Austrian top flight by Dortmund. There are lots of examples of young unheard of players signing for bigger clubs in bigger leagues who then go on to be household names, including McAllister and Cecaido as mentioned above.

Do you think Spurs fans had heard of Kyle Walker before they signed him? He only played for us twice in the league then the play-offs before signing for them.

It's different, it's risky, but plenty of clubs have made this work for them to great success.

Before, if you were looking to sign a player from abroad. You'd identify the league, do a bit of digging then send scouts over to watch some games and report back on the players they identified as potential targets. You still limited yourself to one market. With the new data led approach, all leagues are available as a potential market. Instead of narrowing down a few players amongst maybe 600-700 hundred from one league, we're now scouring thousands of players from numerous leagues at the same time. The odds of finding a hidden gem are reduced considerably due to how wide you're casting your net. You're also less likely to unearth the same player as someone else due to the specifics that you're asking the AI to identify from the parameters you set for it to search in the data.

You'll probably still sign some duds along the way, particularly when you're signing future potential to develop over time, but the loss is considerably less as the fees paid for them will be relatively low due to the obscurity of where they currently play.

 

[blade too long]

Bloom genius shown by Brighton five-year net spend figures

Despite spending £193m in the summer transfer window, Brighton still have a net spend surplus for their dealings over the past five years

www.wearebrighton.com

it just confirms they were the biggest net spenders

livepool won the title but spent more than they sold

 

[alcoblade]

how am I missing it when the Guardian report claims its Brighton who have nett spent 200m more than sales

yes theyve done well developing players but spending 200m on top of what they sold is what the Guardian reports , the highest in the prem not something Im being ignorant of as you imply

if you dont believe the report fine, but its not me claiming it

Fuck me, do you ever actually digest and engage with people's relies to you?

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

it just confirms they were the biggest net spenders

livepool won the title but spent more than they sold

But didn't spend outside of their means. Despite all of the spending they're still made a significant profit. £22mil compensation for Graham Potter and his staff is nuts!

 

[blade too long]

t's different, it's risky, but plenty of clubs have made this work for them to great success

ill give yoou brentford, bournemouth and brighton who both had investors who built them new grounds bournemouth building tooand invested in their squads

name some others

 

[blade too long]

Fuck me, do you ever actually digest and engage with people's relies to you?

so your 100 per cent correct and me posting facts is wrong...
bournemoth brighton and brentford all have really big money backers , all 3 have new academies and 2 have new grounds and bournemouth are building one
You insist they do it by brilliant development ,, with no hint of the money they pile in doesnt do much , and you say I dont digest stuff ,,, classic

money talks we whisper by comparison

 

[Nick Jansky]

it just confirms they were the biggest net spenders

livepool won the title but spent more than they sold

You’re looking at one season in isolation. That hardly gives a true picture. But I will leave it there because I think you struggle to understand things.

 

[blade too long]

But didn't spend outside of their means. Despite all of the spending they're still made a significant profit. £22mil compensation for Graham Potter and his staff is nuts!

means ,, wish we had one fiftieth of their means

have you seen their ground

 

[alcoblade]

so your 100 per cent correct and me posting facts is wrong...
bournemoth brighton and brentford all have really big money backers , all 3 have new academies and 2 have new grounds and bournemouth are building one
You insist they do it by brilliant development ,, with no hint of the money they pile in doesnt do much , and you say I dont digest stuff ,,, classic

money talks we whisper by comparison

Everyone gets that money talks. You'd have to have a sub 50 IQ to not get that - even you've got it for fuck's sake!

Brighton are now spending big because whatever they've done has allowed them to do so. That's why people are trying to emulate them.

Do you have some other point to make that's being missed?

 

[blade too long]

You’re looking at one season in isolation. That hardly gives a true picture. But I will leave it there because I think you struggle to understand things.

so money and investment has no part to play in their rise

we are living on the streets by comparison but you obviously dont understand what difference real wealth means

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

ill give yoou brentford, bournemouth and brighton who both had investors who built them new grounds bournemouth building tooand invested in their squads

name some others

I don't know about AI per se beyond the three you mentioned, but Notts County, Lincoln and Coventry all have fantastic records when it comes to either signing up and coming players from lower leagues and developing them, or buying players from abroad from obscurity. Forest have also been using data led recruitment since they returned to the Championship which has worked well for them. They used Brentford as the model to copy.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

ill give yoou brentford, bournemouth and brighton who both had investors who built them new grounds bournemouth building tooand invested in their squads

name some others

As much as you're asking for examples of other clubs who have used data led recruitment to great success, can you name some clubs (without asking Google, oh the irony), who have used data led recruitment where it's been a proven disaster?

 

[jt64]

so your 100 per cent correct and me posting facts is wrong...

By your rationale, if I look at Wilder's managerial history from when he was appointed until when I got into the ground late for the Southend game (I wanted one more pint, it was a nice evening and I drink slowly, deal with it), he is the worst manager in our history. We can all cherry pick pathetically small sample sizes to make an absurd rationale. The difference is that you told me to look forward a couple of months, I would be able to do so. People asking you to look back a couple of windows to look at a rounded picture that tells the actual story by comparison is completely beyond your ability or comprehension.

 

[chesblade]

Radio sheffield has interview with Selles tomorrow

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Radio sheffield has interview with Selles tomorrow

I imagine it will be full of insightful questions like "You just be raring to get going?" and "Are you planning to sign some players this summer?"

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I imagine it will be full of insightful questions like "You just be raring to get going?" and "Are you planning to sign some players this summer?"

"So Ruben, the weather in Sheffield must feel a bit different to what you're used to in...erm, Hull?"

 

[ATL Recs]

Though not flagged up initially by, Tom Cannon (and our willingness to reach the lofty fee) was enormousoy influenced by AI. I'm 100 percent certain of that.

Wilder wanted him in the summer but it was one loan financially too far

 

[alcoblade]

Wilder wanted him in the summer but it was one loan financially too far

Yep, that was definitely the case (discussed further up). That' what was meant by "not flagged up initially by ai"

 

[dexter101]

Its a bit like with Football Manager. You can use data to show speed, shot power etc. Where AI will struggle is with the softer areas, leadership etc. How do you quantify the presence that Souttar brought, or the effort JLT puts in whilst also seemingly making mistakes at key times...

I remember back in 2006 I would often play FM and my first purchases were Greg Halford and another Colchester player (as I was at school with them).

I used to play them up front and what ever team I played with, I was relatively successful, where as in reality, you would have expected a team to struggle.

 

[Bladesman]

EA do an okay job putting promising young players in their FIFA (FC) game. Many unknown players that end up finding their way to top level football.

 

[LBA_Blade]

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[LBA_Blade]

AI is never going to replace humans in this context. Can it provide better data better than humans -probably. More data - obviously. Can it replace a human with Football background and coaching badges? Obviously not.

AI is just computers working stuff out/doing what it's told, very quickly.

I'm not sure why there's such concern about AI being used in football data/statistics... At times in the last 50yrs probably every football club has had someone with only a couple of brain cells making key decisions. Which is worse - computers or idiots? Speaking of which I've heard Tinnion, rumoured to be our Director of Football candidate, is not very bright.

I wouldn't say never, realistically who 20 years ago would have thought you could do all the things you can do a phone that you can now and used to have a laptop/PC and dialup internet for. You can play PS games from 20 years ago on your phone along with the latest FIFA (EA FC ) as well as make calls, take photos and videos and do your banking. When AI reaches super Intelligence, it could easily replace a human with football background and coaching badges as ultimately it is being asked to make decisions based on data sets, one Oracle database can easily process 50,000 data sets a second already. It is how that information is communicated and how much AI will be allowed to operate is the next step. The next fighter Jet platform for the RAF, Tempest is due in service in 10 years, that is due to be a central aircraft that has unmanned wingmen aircraft and drones as part of a team of fighter jets. If that technology is already being worked on, if they want a football club run solely or majority of decisions by AI, it will be within 10 years that will happen. 6G technology (the next one after 5G) is due late 2020's/early 2030's, depending on where you are in the world however the wireless tech on that is focusing on cyber sensors such as contact lenses/glasses and the like to project images. In the next 10 years will be looking back and thinking how backwards we were with our clunky laptops and phones etc.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

People asking you to look back a couple of windows to look at a rounded picture that tells the actual story by comparison is completely beyond your ability or comprehension

Brighton's net spend over the last 5 years is €90m. Over 10 years it's over €300m.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Brighton's net spend over the last 5 years is €90m. Over 10 years it's over €300m.

Oh dear Lord, are we back on this again?

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Oh dear Lord, are we back on this again?

Just trying to add a dose of reality to the exchanges

 

[Nick Jansky]

Just trying to add a dose of reality to the exchanges

To add some further reality, an average of €30m a year over 10 years for a PL team is frugal, isn’t it. I wonder what ours is over the same periods out of interest.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

To add some further reality, an average of €30m a year over 10 years for a PL team is frugal, isn’t it. I wonder what ours is over the same periods out of interest.

€50m for us over 5 years and €116m over 10 years. Brighton have done it very well.

 

[GrunkyPeep]