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DeanLearner'sCat said:
I must have watched a different game. I thought we should have been out of sight and got mugged. We should have scored more than one first half. In the second, we had a great opportunity on the counter and Moore fucked it up, Brooks missed a one-on-one with the keeper (who was their best player btw) and then Moore gifts them the ball for the 2nd goal. If Brooks scores people would be banging on about a "tactical masterclass".




I'm beginning to think I definitely watched a different game.
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If we got mugged, it's because in the second half Wilder sent us out to do the footballing equivalent of walking down back streets of Bogota wearing a Rolex, shouting loudly and asking strangers for directions to the nearest bank!
 

Jimmy Fleck said:
Keiffer Moore playing 90+ is terrorism. No style of play, no consistency crap.
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In a really respectful way Jimmy, I disagree .... we are all hurting But look at Luton this season.... would we have been happy at the start of the season being in the Top 3 and dominating a Wembley day ... The brilliant @dingbat had us down to finish 8th (ish) its not Wilders fault their keeper pulled off a quite simply worldie save in the 2nd minute and that he got a foot to Brooks effort ... Wilder has built the foundations for next season,,, WILDER STAYS IMO (no offence made though in a time of sadness)Lets look at his signings:

Cooper - awesome signing A+
Burrows - awesome signing A+
Souttar _ the best signing on loan ever alongside Hendo and Gibbs White A+

Seriki, the awesome Peck and the potential of Arblaster .... he brought these guys through + add into the improved form of Anal and Souza ,,, Wilder has done more than ok ... not perfect, but more pluses

Choudhury - great loan B+ (or A-) Happy to sign

Campbell - Brilliant free signing A (would be a plus if he stayed fitter)

O Hare - probably my fav player - he plays like a fan would play A+ for me but probably an A- or B+ for most

Moore - awesome header today after 2 mins, best save Iv seen in a live game ever ... gutted to see the poor lay off that cost us B (could be an A next season)

Poor signings
  • Tom Canon .... Not going up may be the making of him - He could be our diamond next season
  • Rak Sikyi - OK not shite but not not awesome and given the fee paid ... mmm I'd be happy buying him for £10m though
  • Gilchrest - mmm ok but wanted more from a loan signing

We will dominate the division next season - Chris Wilder is for me
 
I will always love Wilder for what he did for us in his first stint here. Legendary! But Wilder 2.0 has been a disappointment. Today we saw more of the same rubbish we’ve seen all season - slow play, passing backwards, creating limited chances, not changing when Sunderland were getting on top, playing favourites when better options are on the bench. Plus we’ve had the silly behaviour, £450k worth of fines because of indiscipline and some duff signings.

I think it is time to move on. Good young manager with fresh ideas would be where I would go if I was the new owners.
 
MayorOJC said:
Our record against the promoted 3:

Played: 7
Won: 1
Drawn: 0
Lost: 6

Scored: 5
Conceded: 13
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That really does speak for itself.

Finishing the season on 90 points is a nice achievment. But when you're proving to be that inferior to the teams above you then it really puts a good season on paper into perspective.

I think it's safe to say that the Championship will be weaker next year with Leeds and Burnley gone and the likely point deduction for Leicester. But the goal should be to not depend on the teams around you to be weaker.
 
Addison said:
Sat here in hospital after my bypass operation todays result has done nothing to aid my recovery plan lol. What it has is confirmed in my mind the is manager lacks tactical nous. At half time the footballing world acknowledged there was only 1 team in the game. After 75 minutes sky commentary said no Sunderland fan in the stadium can believe they were going to win this game 2-1. Add in earlier stats that teams who concede first in play off finals rarely go onto win the game. Today we have witnessed a cacophony of CW's seasons tactical failures all rolled into an abject second half perfrormance in the clubs biggest game in years. De Bries immediately saw the problem moved le Fe to a 10 and brought on runners in Isidor, Roberts and Watson to expose our weakness to being turned around. The coaching team failed again at the final hurdle and the the decisions regarding substitutions became more bizarre as the game progressed a reoccurring problem all season.

What it also confirms is that any manager who believes that players of the limited capabilities of JLT and Brewster are adequate to start a play off final does not possess the credentials that any new owners would require of a head Coach taking the Club to the next level,

Big decisions are now required from the new owners. The same golden opportunity can not be tossed away again on the back of a coaching team that fails all the tests required to overhaul the off field management of the Club. A new Sporting Director specifically employed to manage recruitment ins and outs and contracts closely followed by a Head of Medical Services should be part of the reset button being pressed now by new owners shortly after thanking CW and dispensing with his services. Failure to do do so will raise concerns about the new owners intent moving forward.
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Brilliant post as always. Hope you're doing ok pal
 
I'm all for longevity and retaining the manager.

The football this season has been turgid. Get 1-0 up then defend and take the win. Very professional, but boring to watch.

Same again today, other than a team who had been hopeless for 75 minutes got some belief, the momentum shifted and we lost the game.

Some of his substitutions were baffling.

Apart from the boring football, add the fact that he can't spend big money on a striker, he's bought some duds.

Time for a change. Thanks Chris, but it's time for pastures new for you I'm afraid
 
aBladeInTheNorthernSky said:
Wilder didn't injure Hamer and BBD
Wilder didn't miss the Brooks sitter
Wilder didn't make that horror pass back into our danger area
Wilder didn't let their player saunter through and pick his spot in the bottom corner

reactionary bollocks. we're all angry but that's not Wilder's fault we threw that away
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Wilder picked the team.
 
Kevincarterversion2.0 said:
I will always love Wilder for what he did for us in his first stint here. Legendary! But Wilder 2.0 has been a disappointment. Today we saw more of the same rubbish we’ve seen all season - slow play, passing backwards, creating limited chances, not changing when Sunderland were getting on top, playing favourites when better options are on the bench. Plus we’ve had the silly behaviour, £450k worth of fines because of indiscipline and some duff signings.

I think it is time to move on. Good young manager with fresh ideas would be where I would go if I was the new owners.
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Serious question where we finding this young manager from the EPL pyramid? How much is it costing us this time to get rid of Wilder especially given the fact he signed a new contract last year
 
Addison said:
Sat here in hospital after my bypass operation todays result has done nothing to aid my recovery plan lol. What it has is confirmed in my mind the is manager lacks tactical nous. At half time the footballing world acknowledged there was only 1 team in the game. After 75 minutes sky commentary said no Sunderland fan in the stadium can believe they were going to win this game 2-1. Add in earlier stats that teams who concede first in play off finals rarely go onto win the game. Today we have witnessed a cacophony of CW's seasons tactical failures all rolled into an abject second half perfrormance in the clubs biggest game in years. De Bries immediately saw the problem moved le Fe to a 10 and brought on runners in Isidor, Roberts and Watson to expose our weakness to being turned around. The coaching team failed again at the final hurdle and the the decisions regarding substitutions became more bizarre as the game progressed a reoccurring problem all season.

What it also confirms is that any manager who believes that players of the limited capabilities of JLT and Brewster are adequate to start a play off final does not possess the credentials that any new owners would require of a head Coach taking the Club to the next level,

Big decisions are now required from the new owners. The same golden opportunity can not be tossed away again on the back of a coaching team that fails all the tests required to overhaul the off field management of the Club. A new Sporting Director specifically employed to manage recruitment ins and outs and contracts closely followed by a Head of Medical Services should be part of the reset button being pressed now by new owners shortly after thanking CW and dispensing with his services. Failure to do do so will raise concerns about the new owners intent moving forward.
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Hope you're feeling better though mate you'll have to let me know how you're getting on ?
All the physio got to my older brother !!
Mind you he was a fat fuck 🤣🤣🤣
 
Addison said:
Sat here in hospital after my bypass operation todays result has done nothing to aid my recovery plan lol. What it has is confirmed in my mind the is manager lacks tactical nous. At half time the footballing world acknowledged there was only 1 team in the game. After 75 minutes sky commentary said no Sunderland fan in the stadium can believe they were going to win this game 2-1. Add in earlier stats that teams who concede first in play off finals rarely go onto win the game. Today we have witnessed a cacophony of CW's seasons tactical failures all rolled into an abject second half perfrormance in the clubs biggest game in years. De Bries immediately saw the problem moved le Fe to a 10 and brought on runners in Isidor, Roberts and Watson to expose our weakness to being turned around. The coaching team failed again at the final hurdle and the the decisions regarding substitutions became more bizarre as the game progressed a reoccurring problem all season.

What it also confirms is that any manager who believes that players of the limited capabilities of JLT and Brewster are adequate to start a play off final does not possess the credentials that any new owners would require of a head Coach taking the Club to the next level,

Big decisions are now required from the new owners. The same golden opportunity can not be tossed away again on the back of a coaching team that fails all the tests required to overhaul the off field management of the Club. A new Sporting Director specifically employed to manage recruitment ins and outs and contracts closely followed by a Head of Medical Services should be part of the reset button being pressed now by new owners shortly after thanking CW and dispensing with his services. Failure to do do so will raise concerns about the new owners intent moving forward.
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100% spot on...
 
Has to go for us to progress along with the 30k fans that create the worst atmosphere I've ever witnessed in and out of the ground!! Pathetic support
 

Follower of the Bundesliga and kept an eye on St Pauli with Alex Blessin. Kept them up in a very tough League. Exceptionally fit players, pressing game with pace. We need a progressive Manager like him. Our fitness levels are an absolute disgrace. Even before I’d sack the manager I’d sack our fitness team. And I would be ruthless with it, Hamer in no uncertain terms would be told to get fit or your out. He’s a least two stone overweight, same again, poor management from Wilder and the fitness team. But what must the players think when they see their Manager pissed and dancing ion tables making your self look a right bellend? We need professionalism bringing back into the club.
 
LBA_Blade said:
Serious question where we finding this young manager from the EPL pyramid? How much is it costing us this time to get rid of Wilder especially given the fact he signed a new contract last year
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Not just EFL - could be from abroad as well. Other clubs do it. Other clubs also sack managers.
 
There's always far too much read simply into results rather than performances.

Today Sunderland got lucky, their overall performance warranted defeat but as we hadn't killed it off they were always in the game despite creating no decent chances.

Over the course of a season you can balance out those undeserved wins or defeats because overall your good performances with good players will get you the results.. In a one-off game you can't.

But... we invite our own problems when we willingly stop doing what's causing the opposition problems and decide just to "sit-in". We've seen that all season long. I feared the worst, regardless of whether there would be extra time, when Hamer was forced off. We have been reliant on our best players to produce something dramatic all season long too. Surely everyone knows that? We have not been a team that has an identifiable, nor exciting style. The first half today was a digression, it hasn't been the norm.

I'd much sooner see a Football Director who will appoint a coach who can try and get us playing in an effective, and hopefully interesting way. And with players who, if we were to go up, would have half a chance of competing at the next level, in the main.

Had we won today we would have needed at least 8 new starters, and as many more again, just to give us a faint hope of stopping up. We have a very good squad for the Championship; we have a terrible one for the PL.

As for renewing the contracts of a couple of our out of contract players - I'm speechless. And that says it all.
 
Addison said:
Sat here in hospital after my bypass operation todays result has done nothing to aid my recovery plan lol. What it has is confirmed in my mind the is manager lacks tactical nous. At half time the footballing world acknowledged there was only 1 team in the game. After 75 minutes sky commentary said no Sunderland fan in the stadium can believe they were going to win this game 2-1. Add in earlier stats that teams who concede first in play off finals rarely go onto win the game. Today we have witnessed a cacophony of CW's seasons tactical failures all rolled into an abject second half perfrormance in the clubs biggest game in years. De Bries immediately saw the problem moved le Fe to a 10 and brought on runners in Isidor, Roberts and Watson to expose our weakness to being turned around. The coaching team failed again at the final hurdle and the the decisions regarding substitutions became more bizarre as the game progressed a reoccurring problem all season.

What it also confirms is that any manager who believes that players of the limited capabilities of JLT and Brewster are adequate to start a play off final does not possess the credentials that any new owners would require of a head Coach taking the Club to the next level,

Big decisions are now required from the new owners. The same golden opportunity can not be tossed away again on the back of a coaching team that fails all the tests required to overhaul the off field management of the Club. A new Sporting Director specifically employed to manage recruitment ins and outs and contracts closely followed by a Head of Medical Services should be part of the reset button being pressed now by new owners shortly after thanking CW and dispensing with his services. Failure to do do so will raise concerns about the new owners intent moving forward.
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And that about sums it up buddy. He has to go.
BTW a speedy recovery
 
Moore as a sub at best, he doesn’t offer enough over 90 minutes.

We need better to play with Campbell, Cannon etc
 
gordoncharles said:
There's always far too much read simply into results rather than performances.

Today Sunderland got lucky, their overall performance warranted defeat but as we hadn't killed it off they were always in the game despite creating no decent chances.

Over the course of a season you can balance out those undeserved wins or defeats because overall your good performances with good players will get you the results.. In a one-off game you can't.

But... we invite our own problems when we willingly stop doing what's causing the opposition problems and decide just to "sit-in". We've seen that all season long. I feared the worst, regardless of whether there would be extra time, when Hamer was forced off. We have been reliant on our best players to produce something dramatic all season long too. Surely everyone knows that? We have not been a team that has an identifiable, nor exciting style. The first half today was a digression, it hasn't been the norm.

I'd much sooner see a Football Director who will appoint a coach who can try and get us playing in an effective, and hopefully interesting way. And with players who, if we were to go up, would have half a chance of competing at the next level, in the main.

Had we won today we would have needed at least 8 new starters, and as many more again, just to give us a faint hope of stopping up. We have a very good squad for the Championship; we have a terrible one for the PL.

As for renewing the contracts of a couple of our out of contract players - I'm speechless. And that says it all.
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I have only read the first sentence

Sunderland did not get lucky we sat in and allowed them to impose themselves

Blame one man !!!!!!
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
Fuck knows what he did at half time. Looked we'd had a full roast dinner and bottle of elred.

Plus, Any one who watched that match and thought taking Brewster off was the right move, is clearly not fit for purpose.

Once Sunderland adjusted at half time we had no answer..
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Wonder what the new owners thoughts are ?
 
bertieblade said:
I have only read the first sentence

Sunderland did not get lucky we sat in and allowed them to impose themselves

Blame one man !!!!!!
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Maybe you should have read the rest of it :rolleyes: Give me an A - Give me a D - Give me an H - Give Me a D
 
Addison said:
Sat here in hospital after my bypass operation todays result has done nothing to aid my recovery plan lol. What it has is confirmed in my mind the is manager lacks tactical nous. At half time the footballing world acknowledged there was only 1 team in the game. After 75 minutes sky commentary said no Sunderland fan in the stadium can believe they were going to win this game 2-1. Add in earlier stats that teams who concede first in play off finals rarely go onto win the game. Today we have witnessed a cacophony of CW's seasons tactical failures all rolled into an abject second half perfrormance in the clubs biggest game in years. De Bries immediately saw the problem moved le Fe to a 10 and brought on runners in Isidor, Roberts and Watson to expose our weakness to being turned around. The coaching team failed again at the final hurdle and the the decisions regarding substitutions became more bizarre as the game progressed a reoccurring problem all season.

What it also confirms is that any manager who believes that players of the limited capabilities of JLT and Brewster are adequate to start a play off final does not possess the credentials that any new owners would require of a head Coach taking the Club to the next level,

Big decisions are now required from the new owners. The same golden opportunity can not be tossed away again on the back of a coaching team that fails all the tests required to overhaul the off field management of the Club. A new Sporting Director specifically employed to manage recruitment ins and outs and contracts closely followed by a Head of Medical Services should be part of the reset button being pressed now by new owners shortly after thanking CW and dispensing with his services. Failure to do do so will raise concerns about the new owners intent moving forward.
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Quality post mate, but more importantly, please take it easy 🙏

Hoping for a speedy recovery for you.
 
Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head said:
I'd just love to see a team which plays fast attacking football, with genuine mobility up front. I'd like to be entertained, whilst winning games.
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