Wilder really is a bottle merchant.

[nopigfansintown]

Tactical reasons no, fitness levels are horrendous. We haven’t played for 9 days and some of them looked like they’d been coached by Steve fucking Bracknall. They’re professional fucking athletes.

This is why you don't construct a squad in late July/August and January. It's basically a suicide mission for a football team.

 

[Bladesman]

This is why you don't construct a squad in late July/August and January. It's basically a suicide mission for a football team.

There is always an excuse for everything.

 

[Slug]

Getting flashbacks of when we spunked £23m on Brewster instead of replacing the glaring hole that JOC left.

I have the same feeling in regards to spunking £10m on Cannon instead of replacing Souttar.

At least Wilder got his number one target though.

 

[Bladesman]

Getting flashbacks of when we spunked £23m on Brewster instead of replacing the glaring hole that JOC left.

I have the same feeling in regards to spunking £10m on Cannon instead of replacing Souttar.

At least Wilder got his number one target though.

Souttar is sat on the bench. His name his Holding but apparently he isn't quite there yet.

For now we have to watch JLT help us concede a goal a game.

 

[nopigfansintown]

There is always an excuse for everything.

It's a fact not an excuse. If a professional football club is run more professionally than yours..they tend to do better. At the bare minimum it's a leveller. Fitness of football players in a football team is imperative. Compare Wilder's first team to this on the fitness front. Chalk and cheese.

The players that do the best fitness wise are those that have been here the longest (underlining the point). We're in the fortunate position that it hasn't been exposed as much as it should have done, especially over the Christmas period when we were down to the bare bones, overplaying players and still getting a good points return. We now have more depth post Jan despite the fitness issue so should be ok unless it's against teams with comparable squads and fitter players..

 

[Davalon]

Second half gaps started appearing through the middle and down the sides of the CHs.

I was wondering if he'd bring Holding on and either play him in a three or move Anel over and put Choudhury in front.

 

[MagnifiqueShorehamStreet]

I’m a Wilder fan so no over-reaction here, but when he gets things wrong he should take some responsibility.
I’m afraid he’s over done the bigging Leeds up, way too much, and he’s still at it,now, after the game.For my money he’s handed Leeds 3 of the 4 halves we’ve played against them, by paying them too much respect.
On the plus side his starting 11 were the right calls and he set us up perfectly in the first half, and to be honest Leeds looked nervous and nothing special.We looked more cautious after the break, and totally handed the initiative to them on the hour with those bewildering substitutions. Diaz was causing em all sorts of probs and to take him off for an unfit Hamer, was daft and Campbell coming off for Cannon, another mistake.
He will inevitably say the withdrawn players couldn’t play more than an hour, which is his usual get out of jail card, when he can’t resist tinkering and his subs go wrong, but I don’t buy it.Both players looked far from done when they were subbed, and we were still matching them.
Hope this doesn’t derail what has been a great season so far.
In Wilder we trust, but please, cut out the over the top bigging up the opposition, and the tinkering for tinkering’s sake.

 

[Champagneblade]

Second half gaps started appearing through the middle and down the sides of the CHs.

I was wondering if he'd bring Holding on and either play him in a three or move Anel over and put Choudhury in front.

I know Cannon was the go to, and I have no idea how many minutes Moore had in him. I would have liked to have seen Moore come on instead of Cannon and Holding at some point.

I think Moore would have given the centre backs something different to contend with.

Aside from being a scorer, which he was at Stoke, I’m not seeing what Cannon’s main attributes are. That said, it took Thierry Henry about six months to settle at Arsenal, so let’s not be too quick to judge.

 

[Champagneblade]

I’m a Wilder fan so no over-reaction here, but when he gets things wrong he should take some responsibility.
I’m afraid he’s over done the bigging Leeds up, way too much, and he’s still at it,now, after the game.For my money he’s handed Leeds 3 of the 4 halves we’ve played against them, by paying them too much respect.
On the plus side his starting 11 were the right calls and he set us up perfectly in the first half, and to be honest Leeds looked nervous and nothing special.We looked more cautious after the break, and totally handed the initiative to them on the hour with those bewildering substitutions. Diaz was causing em all sorts of probs and to take him off for an unfit Hamer, was daft and Campbell coming off for Cannon, another mistake.
He will inevitably say the withdrawn players couldn’t play more than an hour, which is his usual get out of jail card, when he can’t resist tinkering and his subs go wrong, but I don’t buy it.Both players looked far from done when they were subbed, and we were still matching them.
Hope this doesn’t derail what has been a great season so far.
In Wilder we trust, but please, cut out the over the top bigging up the opposition, and the tinkering for tinkering’s sake.

Thing is, Hamer never got going.

Wilder was probably thinking with 30 mins to go I’ll put my best player on and he’ll take the game from them. Apart from one cynical unnecessary tackle on Bogle and another ill-judged lunge that saw him narrowly escape a second yellow I don’t recall anything of note, apart from maybe one cross field pass to Brereton-Diaz.

If you bring your best player on and he plays shit then I don’t know how much you lay at the Manager’s door.

Though I would say that we’re conceding enough goals recently that having a centre half with 130 appearance for Arsenal repeatedly on the bench is starting to make no sense.

In hindsight as we lost anyway, it’s a pity a penalty wasn’t given against Robinson when he tangled with James just to highlight how liable he is to make a critical error.

 

[KiwiBlabe]

Campbell looked tired after 35 mins tonight. He started with a hiss and a roar but he cannot manage a full game that much is clear. We deserved a draw out of that tonight, Wilder set us up perfectly and maybe could have made different subs, however if he had brought on Holding and we lost there would have been carnage on here with the tactical wizards who reside would have said we waved the white flag. Unlucky tonight Blades, loved the effort and some of the football was sublime. 1st 2 goals were poor defending for me, doesn't matter who is on the pitch for basic marking and closing down.

I haven't read everything on here, I don't have to, same old faces making the same old criticisms of CW. He was on a loser whatever happened unless we won with some of our "fans" Look at the table, we are still in the box seat, play like that for the rest of the season and we will be up.

UTB

 

[Slug]

I know Cannon was the go to, and I have no idea how many minutes Moore had in him. I would have liked to have seen Moore come on instead of Cannon and Holding at some point.

I think Moore would have given the centre backs something different to contend with.

Aside from being a scorer, which he was at Stoke, I’m not seeing what Cannon’s main attributes are. That said, it took Thierry Henry about six months to settle at Arsenal, so let’s not be too quick to judge.

I'll ignore the wild Cannon/Henry comparison to some extent but I'm pretty sure, at the very least, that Arsenal fans saw the raw pace and finishing attributes from Henry? Can anyone tell me what Cannon's attributes are?

Seen as though you mentioned Henry though, that Isidor fella at Sunderland really reminds me of a very raw version of him. If we had him up front then I would be outrageously confident of promotion!

 

[Champagneblade]

I'll ignore the wild Cannon/Henry comparison to some extent but I'm pretty sure, at the very least, that Arsenal fans saw the raw pace and finishing attributes from Henry? Can anyone tell me what Cannon's attributes are?

Seen as though you mentioned Henry though, that Isidor fella at Sunderland really reminds me of a very raw version of him. If we had him up front then I would be outrageously confident of promotion!

Not for a minute comparing Cannon to Henry! Point merely that even players that end up fitting in well sometimes need some patience. Billy Sharp needed 3 attempts until it eventually clicked!

Buy yes, whatever his strengths, we aren’t playing to them yet!

 

[David Wheatley]

Absolutely….Clarke had another roasting and was never going to come out 2nd half….he could have changed to a back 3 then.
We have to accept that CW is a good man manager but has never been a tactician…

I have said the on a number of occasions - he I also has a track record of bringing players into the squads he has had who are no better than the players he already has and neither he nor Knill or the coaching teams have the ability to improve them

 

[MagnifiqueShorehamStreet]

I’m a Wilder fan so no over-reaction here, but when he gets things wrong he should take some responsibility.
I’m afraid he’s over done the bigging Leeds up, way too much, and he’s still at it,now, after the game.For my money he’s handed Leeds 3 of the 4 halves we’ve played against them, by paying them too much respect.
On the plus side his starting 11 were the right calls and he set us up perfectly in the first half, and to be honest Leeds looked nervous and nothing special.We looked more cautious after the break, and totally handed the initiative to them on the hour with those bewildering substitutions. Diaz was causing em all sorts of probs and to take him off for an unfit Hamer, was daft and Campbell coming off for Cannon, another mistake.
He will inevitably say the withdrawn players couldn’t play more than an hour, which is his usual get out of jail card, when he can’t resist tinkering and his subs go wrong, but I don’t buy it.Both players looked far from done when they were subbed, and we were still matching them.
Hope this doesn’t derail what has been a great season so far.
In Wilder we trust, but please, cut out the over the top bigging up the opposition, and the tinkering for tinkering’s sake.

Need to cut out my own mistakes as well.
Think Hamer came on for Rak Sakyi, not Diaz, and`posting after half a bottle of brandy, and and a defeat at home to Leeds was never a good idea.

 

[knowsnowt]

Souttar is sat on the bench. His name his Holding but apparently he isn't quite there yet.

For now we have to watch JLT help us concede a goal a game.

I maybe a bit lost in what happened tonight, but wasn't it jlt's throw in that got us the lead?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Thought we played well. They are just better than us.














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Yep. This.

Wilder was out coached tonight. Leeds made adjustments in the second half which we couldn't cope with.

Just as they had better players, they also have a better coach. Wilder is a good coach, Farke is better.

 

[Torrix1889]

Thought we played well. They are just better than us.

Yep got to agree. On the whole we did OK, were dominant for the first 25 but were never going to keep that tempo going. In the end, Leeds just have better players.

Despite having to agree that Wilder should have made better decisions it was pace, (that old chestnut again) that was the difference last night, they had loads of it, we had very little.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I don't think Wilder is without fault, but he definitely got some things right and as a bigger picture than the result we showed we can play good football against anyone in this league.

The game could easily have gone out way, we were both pushing for a 2nd when found the net. Is what it is - I hoped for the best (good performance and a win) but expected the worst (shit performance + loss)

Yeah, initially he got everything right, the lineup, the tactics, the tempo and the press were all spot on. The team were playing with a swagger and intensity that had Leeds on the ropes. With a bit of luck and better finishing we could have been home and hosed at half time. Even after the break we were still looking for the second….Then at 1-0 up we changed it!
In an instant we stopped pressing and started pissing about at the back, and let Leeds come at us…The rest as they say is history.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Souttar is sat on the bench. His name his Holding but apparently he isn't quite there yet.

For now we have to watch JLT help us concede a goal a game.

Sorry, but even in possession I hold my breath when the ball needlessly works it way to back JLT. When are we going to learn this pedestrian defence can’t comfortably play it out from the back…It just allow the opposition to play their game much further up the pitch.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Yep. This.

Wilder was out coached tonight. Leeds made adjustments in the second half which we couldn't cope with.

Just as they had better players, they also have a better coach. Wilder is a good coach, Farke is better.

Ironically, his vantage point from the stand probably helped him figure out what Leeds were doing wrong in that first half. But I also think we were the chief architects of our own demise.

 

[Yoonited]

He just is.
Nothing ever changes.

Is that an empty Peroni bottle merchant.
Ya right though.

We were the 'nearly' team last night despite playing some lovely stuff.

We need better than a 'nearly' manager to compete higher up.If we get there.

 

[dazzlingblade]

I'll ignore the wild Cannon/Henry comparison to some extent but I'm pretty sure, at the very least, that Arsenal fans saw the raw pace and finishing attributes from Henry? Can anyone tell me what Cannon's attributes are?

Seen as though you mentioned Henry though, that Isidor fella at Sunderland really reminds me of a very raw version of him. If we had him up front then I would be outrageously confident of promotion!

Ok O'Connell, Couts, Basham etc etc, some players don't hit the ground running, especially in a team that isn't playing to their strengths, but writing him off already is ridiculous, but it seems the modern way

 

[Blade56]

On the plus side his starting 11 were the right calls and he set us up perfectly in the first half, and to be honest Leeds looked nervous and nothing special.

But we still failed to score a goal tonight!

 

[ATL Recs]

Can't fault Wilder tonight. Started with our best available team and had a go.

Every member of this forum would have brought a 70% fit Hamer on for JRS that second half.

Just imagine the grief he would have got if we'd gone 5 at the back at HT and lost.

Could have gone either way in the end. Just a spozzy set piece won it.

In all due respect that’s rubbish Wilder threw it last night with his bonkers substitutions
JRS and Diaz had there wing backs on the back foot - Diaz is not as effective on the right - Davis comes in plays him out wide as a winger ffs
Once we lost our width we were there for the taking
All on the manager that

 

[ATL Recs]

Probably by attacking their defence with an overload and not having 1 v 2/3 all the time. There was next to no movement going forward and when we eventually lost the ball, 3/4 players were way out of position which led to their wide men having the red carpet rolled out for them to do whatever they wanted to do with it which caused us serious problems because our wingers were nowhere to be seen to protect their overload of Clarke & Burrows which then led either peck/Souza being pulled out of position so they had one man free all the time in the middle of the park with all the time in the world to find a killer pass.

CW taking off our full forward line was just absolutely fucking ridiculous and played right into their hands as we then had no structure going forward. Hope this helps

You last paragraph is bang on

 

[ATL Recs]

Getting flashbacks of when we spunked £23m on Brewster instead of replacing the glaring hole that JOC left.

I have the same feeling in regards to spunking £10m on Cannon instead of replacing Souttar.

At least Wilder got his number one target though.

Exactly

 

[west_yorks_blade]

In all due respect that’s rubbish Wilder threw it last night with his bonkers substitutions
JRS and Diaz had there wing backs on the back foot - Diaz is not as effective on the right - Davis comes in plays him out wide as a winger ffs
Once we lost our width we were there for the taking
All on the manager that

All on the manager? All?
No credit to Leeds?

Did you see what they did to Sunderland in their last game?
They keep going until the very end and score loads of late goals against tired teams. Amazingly not just against Sheffield United because they are managed by the worst manager in the league.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Yeah, initially he got everything right, the lineup, the tactics, the tempo and the press were all spot on. The team were playing with a swagger and intensity that had Leeds on the ropes. With a bit of luck and better finishing we could have been home and hosed at half time. Even after the break we were still looking for the second….Then at 1-0 up we changed it!
In an instant we stopped pressing and started pissing about at the back, and let Leeds come at us…The rest as they say is history.

Key word you used there was ‘tempo’. Teams can only dictate the tempo of a game in possession of the ball, whether it’s speeding it up or slowing it down. First half an hour we had plenty of possession and upped the tempo and Leeds couldn’t handle it. When we inevitably sit back on a lead we give up ball possession and so can’t slow down the tempo to suit us. Maybe we don’t have the skill set to slow down the game when in possession of the ball.

 

[Snake]

What has happened to football fans these days? When did we ever all become master tacticians, inspirational motivators, chief scouts, sports fitness instructors etc etc.

Why can't we just accept and acknowledge that Leeds are better than we are. It's ok to say wudda, shudda, cudda, but whatever formation, selection or tactic what's to say Leeds wouldn't have just overcome us in a different way? Of course last night I was gutted, but the reality is 1 to 20 they are overall better than we are and collectively certainly better - better than every team in the division by a long way too!

We started really well, but when I look back at it, it was very huff and puff. The balls on top of their keeper caused problems, but if you look at the whole game Leeds had by far the clearer chances. Coops made a couple of cracking saves while their keeper was still trying to stitch some velcro on his gloves.

I blame, this t'interweb wibbly wobbly world. These wonderful days of nuclear powered keyboards. Give me a post match pub tap room any day.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

What has happened to football fans these days? When did we ever all become master tacticians, inspirational motivators, chief scouts, sports fitness instructors etc etc.

Why can't we just accept and acknowledge that Leeds are better than we are. It's ok to say wudda, shudda, cudda, but whatever formation, selection or tactic what's to say Leeds wouldn't have just overcome us in a different way? Of course last night I was gutted, but the reality is 1 to 20 they are overall better than we are and collectively certainly better - better than every team in the division by a long way too!

We started really well, but when I look back at it, it was very huff and puff. The balls on top of their keeper caused problems, but if you look at the whole game Leeds had by far the clearer chances. Coops made a couple of cracking saves while their keeper was still trying to stitch some velcro on his gloves.

I blame, this t'interweb wibbly wobbly world. These wonderful days of nuclear powered keyboards. Give me a post match pub tap room any day.

I blame Football video games - people seem baffled and angry that what delivers them endless success on their bedroom computer isn't employed by real managers in the real world.