Wilder Rattled

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

Hamza and Vini plays the idea is that it should allow the full backs to push on in possession. Those two covering as they move up.
The issue we have is that we are trying to adapt to a possession based system, play out from the back and through the thirds. However, the two CB aren’t suited at this for me.
Neither is great on the ball and both are prone to errors, Robbo particularly struggles when closed down and put under pressure, while they also take too long to get it under and pass it. Passing wise it’s also inconsistent, and pass completion stats don’t cover the whole picture as a pass that’s under hit/over hit or onto a team mates wrong foot, bounced into their knees etc still shows as completed when in reality it’s a poor pass that’s slowed down the move.

So these two CBs drop deeper to give themselves more time, increasing the distance between them and midfield or as is usually the case dragging the midfield back with them…which in turn either isolates the forward or drags them back too.
slow passes from the pair is easy to press by opponents, and if they then push up onto Vini/Hamza their passing isn’t good enough to break it so they make the easy pass to the full back and eventually back to the keeper.

For this system to work you have to be able to play through the press and the 2 CB set the tone for that.
Holding surely improves it, the levels he’s played say he has to be better on the ball.

Won’t go into the rest of the issues of these 2, but defensively there are many….Souttar playing in this group we are levels above where we have been last few games

Really good summary. We also seem unabled to miss the midfield out and put it straight into a forwards feet.

Teams have done this against us recently where the CF the lays it off to an oncoming midfield and the press is broke.

 

[Blademan89]

Out played at home by Plymouth, Hull and now Portsmouth all bottom four teams
Plymouth lost games away to all the top 4 except Sunderland where they got a point.
Hull lost 3-1 at Leeds beat us 0-3 and have yet to go to Burnley and Sunderland.
Pompey recently got a point at Leeds 3-3 but lost everywhere else but should have won at the lane to be fair.
It is rather easy to say teams have taken points from Burnley the home 0-0 draw specialists. Pompey and Plymouth both lost at Burnley though.

The point still stands that these teams have taken points from those around us. It's not a given to turn up and they roll over for their belly tickled and we put 5 past them.

Maybe our players went out with that exact same attitude and that's why we played shit?

As mentioned else where by others, we have players coming back from injuries and 5 new players bedding in. It's disjointed - coupled with before that we had a paper thing squad down to bare bones and players playing out of position due to necessity.

We wasn't playing badly 1st half of the season with our full squad (until injuries have hit).

 

[bertieblade]

Really good summary. We also seem unabled to miss the midfield out and put it straight into a forwards feet.

Teams have done this against us recently where the CF the lays it off to an oncoming midfield and the press is broke.

That is because their was a massive gap between the centre back or one of the DM and our forwards and BBD and Hamer subsequently piss around with it at the back and then launch it as no one was coming short to receive it until peck came on, made space and immediately pushed the team twenty yards further forward. He came short received, spun and moved into the space that he himself had created

 

[The Crab]

This has been a really interesting thread and shows we have fans with football intelligence talking sense.
Really! If our coaching and management team can't see what's laid out in front of them ! There in the wrong job.
We have limitations all teams in this division do. Getting the best from what you have is key! at the moment we are getting results playing poorly!that has to be something to build on.CW acknowledges the poor performances this is where he earns his money as the 2 promotions under him have come from kicking on in the run in ! We are there again with it all to play for a 3rd promotion in our own hands !
Bring it on Blades! we never do it easy so a roller coaster finish to the season.
Excitement will build if we maintain our present ability to win games!
But ! a big but ! we have to be more convincing ! Stress factor at the moment watching us is through the roof.

Disagree entirely with your first paragraph. Just because we aren’t qualified coaches, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have an opinion. Opinions are what forums are all about and I do find the “you must know better than the coaches” stuff very tiresome.

So on that basis, would you go in a restaurant and not give an opinion on the food because you’re not a qualified chef?

My twopennorth, results are better than performances. But what can’t speak can’t lie, we’re second in the table. I’m happy with that

 

[CarlMcBlade]

If nobody had concerns about our recent performances…the silence would be deafening. I wish more people would vent their frustrations on here more, instead of at the ground…For me the sprinkling of boos have probably been deserved but they are always very counter productive.

 

[GymClassHero]

Disagree entirely with your first paragraph. Just because we aren’t qualified coaches, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have an opinion. Opinions are what forums are all about and I do find the “you must know better than the coaches” stuff very tiresome.

So on that basis, would you go in a restaurant and not give an opinion on the food because you’re not a qualified chef?

My twopennorth, results are better than performances. But what can’t speak can’t lie, we’re second in the table. I’m happy with that

Agree mate people are entitled to their opinion and as you say, it's what forums are about.

That said I don't agree with anyone insulting players and/or slagging them off. We can express our opinion without saying "so and so is fucking dog shit".

 

[Tazzy]

I dont think any of the player's brought in are better than the ones we started the season with . Apart from BBD But it makes the bench a hell of a lot better and that's what wilder said he needed

 

[metalblade]

The point still stands that these teams have taken points from those around us. It's not a given to turn up and they roll over for their belly tickled and we put 5 past them.

Maybe our players went out with that exact same attitude and that's why we played shit?

As mentioned else where by others, we have players coming back from injuries and 5 new players bedding in. It's disjointed - coupled with before that we had a paper thing squad down to bare bones and players playing out of position due to necessity.

We wasn't playing badly 1st half of the season with our full squad (until injuries have hit).

Ok so away from home these lower clubs have scraped a draw at Sunderland and at Leeds otherwise they have lost away on every other occasion apart from Hull who battered us. It will be interesting to see how Hull fair at Burnley and Sunderland

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Let's just not try then.
Let's just throw these next 15 games.

I didn't say that we shouldn't try. I just think that the reward for promotion isn't always what it's cracked up to be. This does smell of the Hecky promotion season, where we won by small margins, and (Ndaiye apart) it wasn't great to watch, and we know what followed that!

 

[Maltby_blade]

If nobody had concerns about our recent performances…the silence would be deafening. I wish more people would vent their frustrations on here more, instead of at the ground…For me the sprinkling of boos have probably been deserved but they are always very counter productive.

You wish people would vent frustrations on here more than they already do?, I’m guessing you don’t read many of the thread’s posted on here then.

 

[FTPE]

I didn't say that we shouldn't try. I just think that the reward for promotion isn't always what it's cracked up to be. This does smell of the Hecky promotion season, where we won by small margins, and (Ndaiye apart) it wasn't great to watch, and we know what followed that!

I HATE the prem.
But, we're in a league with Wednesday and Leeds. Success is extremely important.

 

[FTPE]

Alternatively, let’s go up & then bring in a progressive, tactically astute manager to give us a proper go at it.

You saying that kind of super foreign manager wouldn't get us promotion though?

 

[Nick Jansky]

You saying that kind of super foreign manager wouldn't get us promotion though?

Horses for courses, innit. Wilder is an excellent EFL manager. I don't think he's PL quality, despite 2019/20. His replacement needn't be foreign though, where did I mention that?

 

[NewyorkBlade]

"Entitled" = fans adapting to the new reality, something which never takes long to do

It's not just our fans, it's all fans. It's not just football, it's life in general, it's human nature

Our fans would behave differently if we weren't so utterly shite to watch, despite having one of the top squads and budgets in the league. We've not put on any sort of show once all season. Not once, in 31 games

It's painfully clear inside the ground that our fans are bored shitless. Surprised, pleased and baffled to be 2nd, but bored shitless. And Wilder will know that

When CW first came to the lane he said I want people watching the game not their phones,I want to play exciting attacking football and get people off their backsides,well Chris 12 passes across the back line back to cooper out to defender, pass to midfielder who then switches it to the defender on the other side to repet the whole thing again, is NOT EXCITING, you set the team up,you train the team so it's on You,sort it out ffs or I'm sure the yanks will move you on regardless of which leauge we are in

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Just watched the post match interview , its all spin its what mourinho did best

Mourinho has lived the last ten years spinning everything to avoid any blame

That peromance and the recent below sub par ones lie firmly at wilders door

So him saying im honest is total BS because its as clear as day the performance was down to woeful tactics and half the team out of position

No ammount of telling us im CW and im super honest and im a blade will work

Its very easy to see why Boro fans dislike him so much i always found that quite odd

However it is wearing quite thin every interview he is either as high as a kite or blaming everyone

 

[Torrix1889]

When CW first came to the lane he said I want people watching the game not their phones,I want to play exciting attacking football and get people off their backsides,well Chris 12 passes across the back line back to cooper out to defender, pass to midfielder who then switches it to the defender on the other side to repet the whole thing again, is NOT EXCITING, you set the team up,you train the team so it's on You,sort it out ffs or I'm sure the yanks will move you on regardless of which leauge we are in

Got to say I completely agree. Pompey, like Hull sussed how to make us look bad and achieved it without breaking sweat. Press high as we like to play it around the back, knowing it will eventually be turned back to Cooper by Robinson, (9 times out of 10 under pressure) forcing Cooper to punt hurriedly, knowing his kicking is the weakest part of his game. The oppositions centre halves then win the ball and play into the vast acres of space in midfield.....rinse and repeat.

CW has thrown his players under the bus and not for the first time, Saturday's team selection and formation was entirely down to him yet he takes no blame. He has the brass neck to call the players "arrogant" yet scoffs if someone suggests he may be to blame.

 

[reedy63]

we have been playing crap Wilder has admitted Portsmouth were better than us and we were lucky to win. However, we have to be a lot better than that and I think we will be. I don't like our players passing to each other in our half. we should be attacking at the Lane this is the Sheffield United way.

 

[FTPE]

Horses for courses, innit. Wilder is an excellent EFL manager. I don't think he's PL quality, despite 2019/20. His replacement needn't be foreign though, where did I mention that?

Not many managers that would come to us with this kind of resume. Love how you brused over the 19/20 best manager in the country award though.

 

[john Mathison]

He just needs to get them playing as a team again. Don't play all new players straight away.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

And get slaughtered again like last season? Like Southampton and Ipswich this year?? Getting "out of this league" isn't a ticket to automatic fun, jollification and success, it can just be another bout of misery at a higher level! I grant you that we're doing really well in terms of results, but if we get promoted (and I think we might), continuing to play as we have will just result in groundhog day and we're back where we started. This might be OK (yoyo), but let's not pretend that it's the "sunlit uplands" of football!!

100% this I honestly don’t know why anyone wants to go up “just for the money”
It won’t be enjoyable in any shape or form will literally be a carbon copy of last seaso.

 

[Maltby_blade]

100% this I honestly don’t know why anyone wants to go up “just for the money”
It won’t be enjoyable in any shape or form will literally be a carbon copy of last seaso.

Its not difficult to work out why people want promotion is it really?. Keep our better players, continue to build the squad and be in a good place to bounce back if we go down.

It’s either that or stagnate in this league having to reduce the budget season on season, which could eventually then lead to even fighting just to stay up. Yeah let me think which option I would prefer….

 

[Nick Jansky]

Not many managers that would come to us with this kind of resume. Love how you brused over the 19/20 best manager in the country award though.View attachment 204068

It’s undeniably a very impressive resume for the EFL. He’s another Warnock & there’s nothing wrong with that. 2019/20 was an outlier when many planets aligned in a way unlikely to be repeated. It was never going to be sustainable. Do you really think he’d achieve something similar to that next season? Hopefully we’ll soon find out. He will or he won’t. My money’s on won’t.

 

[FTPE]

It’s undeniably a very impressive resume for the EFL. He’s another Warnock & there’s nothing wrong with that. 2019/20 was an outlier when many planets aligned in a way unlikely to be repeated. It was never going to be sustainable. Do you really think he’d achieve something similar to that next season? Hopefully we’ll soon find out. He will or he won’t. My money’s on won’t.

How about this,
You could choose 5 managers (I'd say achievable ones, but I could probably just say any 5) and not one would ever get us above 9th in the Premier League.
Get Pep, Klopp, any of them. With our size and budget I dont think any of them ever get us that high ever again.

 

[Nick Jansky]

How about this,
You could choose 5 managers (I'd say achievable ones, but I could probably just say any 5) and not one would ever get us above 9th in the Premier League.
Get Pep, Klopp, any of them. With our size and budget I dont think any of them ever get us that high ever again.

I agree. But that’s not what we’ve been talking about. What we need in the first instance is a manager who can take us up. That’s Wilder, no debate there. Next, we need a manager who, with sufficient backing, can keep us up for a few seasons. You think that’s Wilder, I don’t. And as I’ve said, we will hopefully find out next season which one of us is right.

 

[ATL Recs]

we have been playing crap Wilder has admitted Portsmouth were better than us and we were lucky to win. However, we have to be a lot better than that and I think we will be. I don't like our players passing to each other in our half. we should be attacking at the Lane this is the Sheffield United way.

He said the same after Plymouth and nowts changed

 

[ATL Recs]

He just needs to get them playing as a team again. Don't play all new players straight away.

They were playing like this before the new players

 

[AWetFlannel]

You certainly get the feel that we are punching well below our weight with the players available. I still believe we’ll get promoted, largely due to the lack of competition BUT then what?

We're only one position off the top, it's not even possible that we're punching well below our weight.

Leeds have a bigger wage bill and better players, taking one of our best ones this summer. They should be top.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Alternatively, let’s go up & then bring in a progressive, tactically astute manager to give us a proper go at it.

Like Kompany. Wait, no. Like Russell Martin. No, wait, like Ruud Van Nistelrooy! Erm, no, more like a... Ermmm, who was the bloke that got us to 9th again?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Like Kompany. Wait, no. Like Russell Martin. No, wait, like Ruud Van Nistelrooy! Erm, no, more like a... Ermmm, who was the bloke that got us to 9th again?

We’ll see what happens, won’t we.

 

[AWetFlannel]

We’ll see what happens, won’t we.

Not necessarily saying you're doing this, but many fans seem to think if we just make the "right" decisions as a club, we'll stay up and consolidate.

Loads of well run clubs get promoted, hire progressive, tactically astute managers, sign plenty of good players and still get relegated. We didn't do anything badly wrong last time, it's just that someone has to go down and half the teams have unlimited money.