Wilder Rattled

[NateDogg]

God help us with some of our 'fans'.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Wilder needs to be judged on what happens now, and particularly what happens next. He doesn’t get any free passes for what he did 6 years ago and he doesn’t need a kicking for what happened 4 years ago. That’s all gone & counts for nothing today.

The rest of the season will be interesting and so will the beginning of next season if we go up. In the longer term, he certainly wouldn’t be able to motivate the “team of internationals” that we obviously aspire to eventually have. My opinion is that his limitations would be well & truly found out in the PL as it is today, and I don’t expect him to be still with us in 2026.

 

[JayGreen17]

Let’s see if the luv in with Wilder continues when we inevitably get mullered by Boro. Because if we play like we have in our last three home games that’s exactly what’s gonna happen.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Let’s see if the luv in with Wilder continues when we inevitably get mullered by Boro. Because if we play like we have in our last three home games that’s exactly what’s gonna happen.

I agree that if we play as we have been lately they will beat us. If we approach it as we did the game at the Riverside they will beat us. But maybe we’ll come out flying, have them on the back foot and get a statement win. Either way, these are the games on which Wilder needs to be judged.

 

[Bladedog]

Terrible performance Saturday...its on wilder to get a reaction from the players now from the first whistle.

 

[Striker]

I know you wasn’t asking me but I thought I’d have a go.
I’d play the 4231 we’ve been playing all season.

Cooper
Clarke Anel Robbo Burrows
Vini Hamer
JRS O’Hare BBD
Cannon

That would’ve been an interesting line up for yesterday’s game.
Obviously team selection is dependent on player fitness. But at least play them in their strongest positions.

Picking teams after the event is the biggest waste of time ever.
I agree this forum is about opinions but picking a team is absolutely ridiculous as it can never, ever, be proven how it would perform.
We were poor yesterday and have been slow in our build up play all season, however I am certain Chris knows this and wants it to improve ASAP.
In Wilder I Trust
UTB

 

[ancientblade]

I agree that if we play as we have been lately they will beat us. If we approach it as we did the game at the Riverside they will beat us. But maybe we’ll come out flying, have them on the back foot and get a statement win. Either way, these are the games on which Wilder needs to be judged.

come out flying ? cant remember the last time we did that and saturday was the final straw thought against a team in the bottom 3 we would go at them from the off but no still this boring slow walking pace sideways backwards back to cooper safety first football thats down to the manager no wonder our crowd are so quiet thesedays there bored to death of these tactics the galling thing is weve got the quality of players now we dont have to play this way im expecting a response against boro if not we will get mullered

 

[Frank the tank]

Let’s see if the luv in with Wilder continues when we inevitably get mullered by Boro. Because if we play like we have in our last three home games that’s exactly what’s gonna happen.

It's not inevitable at all we've won more games than anyone in the division
We've been poor and yesterday apart there have been reasons for that but it's no reason to be a soggy pair of ladies undergarments about it

 

[Half Bond Jls]

I just hope everything will fall into place with him and Knill like first season he was here he got it wrong first few games they changed it and f£@k me what a ride that was. Hope the new players slot in like we played start of the season. UTB

 

[CoatesyBlade]

Picking teams after the event is the biggest waste of time ever.
I agree this forum is about opinions but picking a team is absolutely ridiculous as it can never, ever, be proven how it would perform.
We were poor yesterday and have been slow in our build up play all season, however I am certain Chris knows this and wants it to improve ASAP.
In Wilder I Trust
UTB

This is for Boro moving forward

 

[SUFC Guy]

Hamza and Vini plays the idea is that it should allow the full backs to push on in possession. Those two covering as they move up.
The issue we have is that we are trying to adapt to a possession based system, play out from the back and through the thirds. However, the two CB aren’t suited at this for me.
Neither is great on the ball and both are prone to errors, Robbo particularly struggles when closed down and put under pressure, while they also take too long to get it under and pass it. Passing wise it’s also inconsistent, and pass completion stats don’t cover the whole picture as a pass that’s under hit/over hit or onto a team mates wrong foot, bounced into their knees etc still shows as completed when in reality it’s a poor pass that’s slowed down the move.

So these two CBs drop deeper to give themselves more time, increasing the distance between them and midfield or as is usually the case dragging the midfield back with them…which in turn either isolates the forward or drags them back too.
slow passes from the pair is easy to press by opponents, and if they then push up onto Vini/Hamza their passing isn’t good enough to break it so they make the easy pass to the full back and eventually back to the keeper.

For this system to work you have to be able to play through the press and the 2 CB set the tone for that.
Holding surely improves it, the levels he’s played say he has to be better on the ball.

Won’t go into the rest of the issues of these 2, but defensively there are many….Souttar playing in this group we are levels above where we have been last few games

Very good assessment and until someone with your knowledge highlights these things, it's hard for fans to see it and it's simply just 'crap United'

It must be a dream for the opposition when they pick up on these deficiencies, but clearly our coaching staff don't notice it or they are unable to work with what we have.

Agree on Souttar and hopefully Holding can bring some stability and intensity to our passing out from the back.

Would really love Souttar back with us as soon as he is able to. Such a monster in that defence.

Who would your back 4/5 ideally be GB ?

 

[lazyfecklessblade]

I’m not too miffed.

Yes we were hideous, but we had enough individual quality to create the chances, nicking an undeserved win.

Also when we went 2-1 up it felt like the muscle memory from earlier in the season kicked in and we stunk the rest of the game out without much incident.

The new guys will either get up to speed, or if they don’t we’ve now got enough depth that they’ll be dropped or rotated. 15 games left, win 8 and we’re there or thereabouts.

 

[LBA_Blade]

I genuinely think for what it is worth that we have a squad of individual players rather than a team. We have problems across the park however in the Championship individuals can bail you out and get you a win where it wasn’t deserved. In part this could also be down to the opposition mistakes or misses (in the 1st half how many times is that back post shot a miss out of 10). For example In the season under Hecky with N’Diaye how many games were won on his brilliance alone whether that be a solo goal or picking out a pass. If we played like we did yesterday against any Premier League side we would have rightfully be battered. 7 signings in January is very rare admittedly 2 of them will probably not make a 1st team match unless we are desperate or have games to spare after promotion however bedding in more than a 1/4 of an average squad in January is highly unusual. I think it is a mixture of factors although if we want to establish ourselves, I genuinely can’t see how we can do it with the vast majority of the squad we have currently, they aren’t good enough over a season against any of the top half teams. The gap is getting bigger and bigger, even top 6 “bankers” like Man United and Spurs are off the mark. There is almost 4 leagues in one, the title race, the European cup places, top 14 and the bottom 6. If promoted we will be in that last category and if we don’t do enough we will bounce down. In a way a new structure of leagues wouldn’t be the end of the world for us. On an average day we are too good for most teams in the Championship but not good enough for the Premier League a PL2 style conference taking the bottom 10 teams of the Premier League and top 10 of the Championship would be a competitive league. I know it would never happen but the money is just too much now

 

[Ned the Donkey]

Cooper
Anel
Hamer O’Hare Peck
BBD Cannon Campbell Oné Brewster Rak-Sakyi

1-3-6

Fuck pissing about defending, let’s go all out. Total warfare. Granted, this shows I’m about as tactically astute as many of the other members of this esteemed forum, and we might let a few goals in, but we should score shitloads. I look forward to winning our next game 17-3.

When they sack Wilder I look forward to you getting the job for a couple of months of total mayhem.

 

[SUFC Guy]

If we don't beat Boro because of team selection and negative tactics then the natives are going to be even more restless.

Wed night under the lights with a good home attendance and decent opposition should make for a decent game and atmosphere. The atmosphere starts with what happens on the pitch from the first whistle.

A positive team selection and tempo will give is a great chance of winning this - the opposite will mean a drubbing and the pitch forks will be out.

I looking forward to the game and I have no idea what to expect on the night.

Fingers crossed that CW gives it a proper go.

 

[CrookesBlade]

“Wilder needs replacing with a modern manager”

 

[Ned the Donkey]

What the hell has happened to our fanbase! When did we become so entitled?

Great comment. Can I have your shirt. If not you're a right twat.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Very good assessment and until someone with your knowledge highlights these things, it's hard for fans to see it and it's simply just 'crap United'

It must be a dream for the opposition when they pick up on these deficiencies, but clearly our coaching staff don't notice it or they are unable to work with what we have.

Agree on Souttar and hopefully Holding can bring some stability and intensity to our passing out from the back.

Would really love Souttar back with us as soon as he is able to. Such a monster in that defence.

Who would your back 4/5 ideally be GB ?

Holding has to be one, then probably Anel just because he’s slightly better than Robbo.
Gilchrist and burrows at FB.
But here’s the change for me- midfield and forward line has to change tactic.
4-1-3-2 suits us better IMHO. We need to create more options for the player in possession.

In Possession own half -Cb’s can’t play out under pressure so don’t expect them to.
Vini to be the One sitting centrally and to be the pivot between the Back 4 and the more attack minded midfielders.
If opponents push up on Souza then having 2 up top to hit provides better chance of holding it out here and laying back into the advancing midfield or the ball into the channels behind the full back. So we need some pace up front too.
Attacking three can be COH Hamer Davies,
Up top from Campbell/ BBD/ Brewster/Cannon

The concern is that we seem to have stacked midfield and forward areas with players for a 4-2-3-1 but forgot to solve the main enabler at CB.

Out of possession Vini can drop if needed to almost make a 5 at the back. I’d never have him venturing far from the CBs.

Cooper
Gilchrist/Clarke (not seen HC enough to tell if he can actually defend)
Burrows
Holding
Anel

Vini

COH
hamer
davies

Cannon/ BBD
Brewster/Campbell

But we have plenty of options to rotate these forward positions and through Midfield. The key is getting Hamer involved as much as possible, while having COH in at the same time also gets the best from them both.

 

[The Bear]

I’d agree, it’s the Bedwetters who are rattled. CW is doing a remarkable job. No doubt performances will improve, but the reality is we just need to get out of this league.

What and playing like this you expect us not to finish on less than 10pts in the PL?

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

I’d agree, it’s the Bedwetters who are rattled. CW is doing a remarkable job. No doubt performances will improve, but the reality is we just need to get out of this league.

And get slaughtered again like last season? Like Southampton and Ipswich this year?? Getting "out of this league" isn't a ticket to automatic fun, jollification and success, it can just be another bout of misery at a higher level! I grant you that we're doing really well in terms of results, but if we get promoted (and I think we might), continuing to play as we have will just result in groundhog day and we're back where we started. This might be OK (yoyo), but let's not pretend that it's the "sunlit uplands" of football!!

 

[FTPE]

And get slaughtered again like last season? Like Southampton and Ipswich this year?? Getting "out of this league" isn't a ticket to automatic fun, jollification and success, it can just be another bout of misery at a higher level! I grant you that we're doing really well in terms of results, but if we get promoted (and I think we might), continuing to play as we have will just result in groundhog day and we're back where we started. This might be OK (yoyo), but let's not pretend that it's the "sunlit uplands" of football!!

Let's just not try then.
Let's just throw these next 15 games.

 

[MobileBlade]

Wilder acknowledged his mistakes by bringing the three subs on. Instantly we had width, pace and our midfield was pushed twenty yards further up the pitch as Peck was pushing on.
We then score due in no small part to the change in personnel, Wilder should then have pushed on the guarantee the victory by scoring another goal, instead he brings on another centre half and invites them on.
Not only did he get it wrong with his starting eleven and the relevant tactics but then compounds the problem by reverting to dropping deep again.
He does worry me as we seem to be incapable of controlling a match

Are you sure that final sub was nothing to do with the extra men Portsmouth made taking one out of defence and putting extra in midfield where they suddenly started to overrun us and hit it longer which we were struggling with? That gave us a better outball witnessed by the chances we then created?

 

[GymClassHero]

Are you sure that final sub was nothing to do with the extra men Portsmouth made taking one out of defence and putting extra in midfield where they suddenly started to overrun us and hit it longer which we were struggling with? That gave us a better outball witnessed by the chances we then created?

He brought a CB on just to get minutes into Holding

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Delusional- here’s a bloke who’s achieved fuck all having a pop.

Soz, read it twice and can’t disagree with any of it.
But its a bit strange if you’ve got to be some sort of ex-pro to be qualified to offer an opinion on a football forum…Who’d have thought it eh?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Let's just not try then.
Let's just throw these next 15 games.

Alternatively, let’s go up & then bring in a progressive, tactically astute manager to give us a proper go at it.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Soz, read it twice and can’t disagree with any of it.
But its a bit strange if you’ve got to be some sort of ex-pro to be qualified to offer an opinion on a football forum…Who’d have thought it eh?

This has been a really interesting thread and shows we have fans with football intelligence talking sense.
Really! If our coaching and management team can't see what's laid out in front of them ! There in the wrong job.
We have limitations all teams in this division do. Getting the best from what you have is key! at the moment we are getting results playing poorly!that has to be something to build on.CW acknowledges the poor performances this is where he earns his money as the 2 promotions under him have come from kicking on in the run in ! We are there again with it all to play for a 3rd promotion in our own hands !
Bring it on Blades! we never do it easy so a roller coaster finish to the season.
Excitement will build if we maintain our present ability to win games!
But ! a big but ! we have to be more convincing ! Stress factor at the moment watching us is through the roof.

 

[jono_t2000]

This has been a really interesting thread and shows we have fans with football intelligence talking sense.
Really! If our coaching and management team can't see what's laid out in front of them ! There in the wrong job.
We have limitations all teams in this division do. Getting the best from what you have is key! at the moment we are getting results playing poorly!that has to be something to build on.CW acknowledges the poor performances this is where he earns his money as the 2 promotions under him have come from kicking on in the run in ! We are there again with it all to play for a 3rd promotion in our own hands !
Bring it on Blades! we never do it easy so a roller coaster finish to the season.
Excitement will build if we maintain our present ability to win games!
But ! a big but ! we have to be more convincing ! Stress factor at the moment watching us is through the roof.

Very nice post

 

[Blademan89]

Out played at home by Plymouth, Hull and now Portsmouth all bottom four teams but our fans aren't allowed to moan otherwise they get labelled entitled, Jesus Christ give it a rest. With the players we have we should be bloody well beating these teams without too much difficulty. If we aren't the question has to be asked is Wilder up to the job tactically, we know he is a up and at em type motivator who likes his teams to run about a bit but phuckin hell we should not be struggling along against such teams. Christ alone knows what he has the players doing in training because they looked like 11 random blokes who had just met each other 10mins before kick off. Seen all this shit before with Wilder haven't we though. Sick of seeing good players told to play in positions they are not comfortable in square pegs in round holes springs to mind. Wilder for the last half dozen games has picked the wrong starting line up then had to change it for the second half not good enough by a long way but he will not admit most of the poor showings are down to him, good players like Hamer are getting him out of jail time after time.

These same teams that everyone else at the top have dropped points to as well and who should be beating easily, those teams?

Plymouth took 4 points off Sunderland, Hull's taken points off Leeds and Burnley, Portsmouth have taken points from Leeds and Burnley, even Oxford took points from Burnley.

No one has any right to just turn up and expect to batter any team in the league, these teams in relegation battle up their games against the top sides and make it hard, they treat these games like cup finals.

 

[CrookesBlade]

These same teams that everyone else at the top have dropped points to as well and who should be beating easily, those teams?

Plymouth took 4 points off Sunderland, Hull's taken points off Leeds and Burnley, Portsmouth have taken points from Leeds and Burnley, even Oxford took points from Burnley.

No one has any right to just turn up and expect to batter any team in the league, these teams in relegation battle up their games against the top sides and make it hard, they treat these games like cup final

I think too many these days are fed on a diet of Premier League, Champions League, FIFA etc.

They can’t wrap their heads round the fact that anyone can beat anyone at this level. You don’t get the routine 5/6 nil walkovers etc. It’s a competitive division.

 

[metalblade]

These same teams that everyone else at the top have dropped points to as well and who should be beating easily, those teams?

Plymouth took 4 points off Sunderland, Hull's taken points off Leeds and Burnley, Portsmouth have taken points from Leeds and Burnley, even Oxford took points from Burnley.

No one has any right to just turn up and expect to batter any team in the league, these teams in relegation battle up their games against the top sides and make it hard, they treat these games like cup finals.

Out played at home by Plymouth, Hull and now Portsmouth all bottom four teams
Plymouth lost games away to all the top 4 except Sunderland where they got a point.
Hull lost 3-1 at Leeds beat us 0-3 and have yet to go to Burnley and Sunderland.
Pompey recently got a point at Leeds 3-3 but lost everywhere else but should have won at the lane to be fair.
It is rather easy to say teams have taken points from Burnley the home 0-0 draw specialists. Pompey and Plymouth both lost at Burnley though.