Wilder Rattled

[Rodley]

When was the last time we played well?
Get out of this league and get battered every week can’t wait.

If we don’t get out this league in the next two seasons, we are in a terrible state financially. This season looks like our best chance.

Hammering CW and the players isn’t just unreasonable, at the business end of the season and in such a good position it’s just counter intuitive.

 

[Blade56]

Bullshit. We played poorly and he admitted as much. The reaction on here is so childish.

30 games in and I dare you to go back through all threads and find one this season praising Wilder for his selection, subs, performance etc.

WE ARE 2nd IN THE LEAGUE DESPITE WILDER

 

[Grizzly blade]

Hamza and Vini plays the idea is that it should allow the full backs to push on in possession. Those two covering as they move up.
The issue we have is that we are trying to adapt to a possession based system, play out from the back and through the thirds. However, the two CB aren’t suited at this for me.
Neither is great on the ball and both are prone to errors, Robbo particularly struggles when closed down and put under pressure, while they also take too long to get it under and pass it. Passing wise it’s also inconsistent, and pass completion stats don’t cover the whole picture as a pass that’s under hit/over hit or onto a team mates wrong foot, bounced into their knees etc still shows as completed when in reality it’s a poor pass that’s slowed down the move.

So these two CBs drop deeper to give themselves more time, increasing the distance between them and midfield or as is usually the case dragging the midfield back with them…which in turn either isolates the forward or drags them back too.
slow passes from the pair is easy to press by opponents, and if they then push up onto Vini/Hamza their passing isn’t good enough to break it so they make the easy pass to the full back and eventually back to the keeper.

For this system to work you have to be able to play through the press and the 2 CB set the tone for that.
Holding surely improves it, the levels he’s played say he has to be better on the ball.

Won’t go into the rest of the issues of these 2, but defensively there are many….Souttar playing in this group we are levels above where we have been last few games

 

[shorehamview]

What formation/style would you play? And what players would be in the lineup?

Cooper
Anel
Hamer O’Hare Peck
BBD Cannon Campbell Oné Brewster Rak-Sakyi

1-3-6

Fuck pissing about defending, let’s go all out. Total warfare. Granted, this shows I’m about as tactically astute as many of the other members of this esteemed forum, and we might let a few goals in, but we should score shitloads. I look forward to winning our next game 17-3.

 

[MTBlade]

I've read most posts on here with regards to Chris and performances.

Its got me thinking.

Are there some managers that are just good in 'backs to the wall' situations with no pressure, but when the pressure and expectations rise, they find it difficult managing this?

Would you put Chris in this bracket, like several other managers (dare i say Warnock)?

Yes, Chris took us through the leagues over 6 years ago now, with great attacking football, but after the dross we'd had for years before that, there was no pressure.

As has been mentioned by several posters, we had a great season in his 1st season back in the top flight where there was no pressure (but did the league position and Covid potentially start the pressure, as it was a break and opportunity to sit back and look at where we were).

This season, most of us expected little with the mass changes, but would you say with the great league position, expectations and pressure have risen (thanks to the team and management).

This is not a dig at Chris, because we all have people we know who we'd love in the trenches with us, but are these the same people you'd have with you if you wanted to move to another level after you have got out of the trenches?

Just a thought id had.

 

[Redstripe]

I know you wasn’t asking me but I thought I’d have a go.
I’d play the 4231 we’ve been playing all season.

Cooper
Clarke Anel Robbo Burrows
Vini Hamer
JRS O’Hare BBD
Cannon

That would’ve been an interesting line up for yesterday’s game.
Obviously team selection is dependent on player fitness. But at least play them in their strongest positions.

I’d go with this except Holding in for Robbo and I’d tweak it to a 4141 with Hamer with COH.
For tougher matches I’d put in Peck with Souza and go back to a 4231.

 

[bartman]

His reaction was because we had a very good team out there who failed to play well for the majority of the game. He won’t regret any of his signings neither would I if I was him.

Yes he won't regret his signings, and the board has backed in during the JTW, however the pressure us now onto the manager to deliver.

To blame the players and not his tactics yesterday was bizarre as it was clear before half time that changes were needed....yet he delayed them for some strange reason and Portsmouth continued being by far the better side. We were lucky, before the subs came on, not to have conceded 3 or for goals.

In fairness, the 4 subs,when they were eventually introduced, changed the momentum of the game slightly but the overall performance was awful.
Whilst i appreciate we have new players and they need to blend , the fact that 3 of the four defenders have been regulars this season and played like a Sunday league defence was a shock( as well as our new right back allowing the winger to get crosses in without a meaningful challenge)

The team selection on Wedensday will be interesting. Peck,JRS and Brewster must be in contention to start after the contributions they made. If Wilder picks the same side, it will be a surprise to say the least.

 

[Barnette]

Just up the tempo and pace of our play - pleeeease

 

[bertieblade]

Wilder acknowledged his mistakes by bringing the three subs on. Instantly we had width, pace and our midfield was pushed twenty yards further up the pitch as Peck was pushing on.
We then score due in no small part to the change in personnel, Wilder should then have pushed on the guarantee the victory by scoring another goal, instead he brings on another centre half and invites them on.
Not only did he get it wrong with his starting eleven and the relevant tactics but then compounds the problem by reverting to dropping deep again.
He does worry me as we seem to be incapable of controlling a match

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Yes he won't regret his signings, and the board has backed in during the JTW, however the pressure us now onto the manager to deliver.

To blame the players and not his tactics yesterday was bizarre as it was clear before half time that changes were needed....yet he delayed them for some strange reason and Portsmouth continued being by far the better side. We were lucky, before the subs came on, not to have conceded 3 or for goals.

In fairness, the 4 subs,when they were eventually introduced, changed the momentum of the game slightly but the overall performance was awful.
Whilst i appreciate we have new players and they need to blend , the fact that 3 of the four defenders have been regulars this season and played like a Sunday league defence was a shock( as well as our new right back allowing the winger to get crosses in without a meaningful challenge)

The team selection on Wedensday will be interesting. Peck,JRS and Brewster must be in contention to start after the contributions they made. If Wilder picks the same side, it will be a surprise to say the least.

I’ve got to say I was confused on the McCallum change. I understood Peck, Brewster & Rak-Sakyi. Just shows what I know in comparison to the experts.

Brewsters movement upfront was better than both Campbell & Cannon. I think the issue with Brewster is most have just mentally given up on him & forgot that he was a decent player before all the injuries. If Cannon had come on yesterday and set up the winner / hit the bar we’d be desperate for him to start on Wednesday.

 

[Shawy24]

I’ve got to say I was confused on the McCallum change. I understood Peck, Brewster & Rak-Sakyi. Just shows what I know in comparison to the experts.

Brewsters movement upfront was better than both Campbell & Cannon. I think the issue with Brewster is most have just mentally given up on him & forgot that he was a decent player before all the injuries. If Cannon had come on yesterday and set up the winner / hit the bar we’d be desperate for him to start on Wednesday.

The only reason I could think of for the McCallum change was that he wasn’t going to be beaten in the air, but I confess until I saw him competing on the line, I hadn’t realised Burrows was having a problem. It worked though.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Certainly not gonna call for his head as by and large he’s getting the results but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned with our performances this season. We seem to win games due to the fact our players are just better than most teams in this division and not down to being a good cohesive team.

You certainly get the feel that we are punching well below our weight with the players available. I still believe we’ll get promoted, largely due to the lack of competition BUT then what?

Seems harsh but as a new ownership team, I’d be looking to replace Wilder sooner rather than later. His post match interview yesterday was very cringeworthy and lacked any self awareness.

 

[cahill]

Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t enjoy the performance at all, and there were mistakes made in the set up which hopefully we learn from. My frustration with the fans is the mass overreaction and lack of prospective from some fans. There doesn’t need to be a hammering of players, managers etc after every performance. I walked away thinking, well that was shit but it’s 3 points and enjoyed my evening!
I expect it will be up and down in performance levels all season, it’s Championship football.
We got it right a lot in the first half of the season and I fully expect we will again.

Hasten that day. Amen

 

[cahill]

Certainly not gonna call for his head as by and large he’s getting the results but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned with our performances this season. We seem to win games due to the fact our players are just better than most teams in this division and not down to being a good cohesive team.

You certainly get the feel that we are punching well below our weight with the players available. I still believe we’ll get promoted, largely due to the lack of competition BUT then what?

Seems harsh but as a new ownership team, I’d be looking to replace Wilder sooner rather than later. His post match interview yesterday was very cringeworthy and lacked any self awareness.

Can’t disagree with anything in that.

 

[Snowflake]

When was the last time we played well?
Get out of this league and get battered every week can’t wait.

Maybe you should wait first to see if we do go up and second, if we do, what players we purchase/ loan for next season.

 

[sitwell]

The comments from the manager today confirms that he knows he’s either bought the wrong players for the system he wants to play or the right players that don’t suit the system….

We are 7 months into the season and I have no idea how we’re trying to set up… we may be 2nd but this will not last with these kinds of performances, we only need to see our results against the top 6 to see this.

Wilder needs to go back to basics. I’m gonna get replies saying yeah but we’re 2nd, … we may be that that’s not gonna last..

Get it sorted Wilder, play to the player’s strengths, it in this god awful attritional play that makes us look god damn ordinary.

See you all in the play offs… If any of us can be bothered to turn up.

What a load of bilge, the new players are finding out about each others game, and when and where to make runs etc. To do this and still get results is harder than you think, what does back to basics even mean ?
20 wins, most in the league seems like we might have an idea ,have a word with yourself.
The type of people who would have said John Harris wasnt lively enough, Woody cant head a ball and Currie is a greedy bastard , thats what some of our fanbase have become
29k seems like plenty are 'bothering to turn up'

 

[ancientblade]

i wasnt totally convinced by wilders post match interview yes the players were very poor but tactically wilder was poor as well for a start he should have doubled up on murphy it was obvious from early doors that he had clarke on toast and also obvious the souza/choudray pairing isnt going to work they do the same job for me he should have accepted some of the blame for that shambolic performance yesterday and hes got to sort it quickly otherwise boro will take us to the cleaners wednesday

 

[georgebernardshaw]

30 games in and I dare you to go back through all threads and find one this season praising Wilder for his selection, subs, performance etc.

WE ARE 2nd IN THE LEAGUE DESPITE WILDER

Complete and utter bollocks

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Wilder found a system that worked with the players he brought in in the summer, but every time he's tinkered with it we've been bloody awful.

Hamza is a good alternative to Vini but we didn't get him in until Vini was back and playing both means there's no creativity in the middle.
Brewster is doing well when used as a second forward but is routinely being forced into an attacking midfield spot, pushing someone else out of position.
Since Cannon and BBD came in we've been using too many forwards with no creativity behind them to actually make anything.

Lack of plan B has always been Wilder's weakness, but he needs to stop messing about with plan A, when we did the subs yesterday it was back to more like what was working earlier in the season with players in positions where they actually knew what they were doing.

 

[Keen Blade]

If we don’t get out this league in the next two seasons, we are in a terrible state financially. This season looks like our best chance.

Hammering CW and the players isn’t just unreasonable, at the business end of the season and in such a good position it’s just counter intuitive.

CW hammered his players - is that reasonable ?

When he was at least partially responsible

 

[Varkanoid]

In the post interview he said there is a meeting Monday morning to discuss recent attitude and performance. Just let him do his job.

 

[Aston max]

Honestly I like many could attack Wilder's tactics and selections, but for the moment I'll hold back, it's more or less a brand new squad from last season and 5 new players plus the 2 youngsters this window need chance to gel into new surroundings and culture,
Personally I'll take scrappy horrible wins all season if it means we achieve promotion (won't do my heart any good)
But the question on getting promoted will be do we go with Wilder??

 

[Davalon]

Fans criticise a poor performance = entitled.

Wilder says we were poor and arrogant = legend for being honest.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

"Entitled" = fans adapting to the new reality, something which never takes long to do

It's not just our fans, it's all fans. It's not just football, it's life in general, it's human nature

Our fans would behave differently if we weren't so utterly shite to watch, despite having one of the top squads and budgets in the league. We've not put on any sort of show once all season. Not once, in 31 games

It's painfully clear inside the ground that our fans are bored shitless. Surprised, pleased and baffled to be 2nd, but bored shitless. And Wilder will know that

Yes, a war of attrition every week isn’t really going to have the crowd jumping out of their seats much, whereas we do generally accept this style of football in away matches, it is understandable the Bramall Lane faithful would want to see something a little bit more pro-active from their team when playing at home….That’s not being “entitled.”

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Portsmouth played well yesterday, deserved to win and got 0 points
We played badly, deserved to lose and got 3 points
Who here would prefer to be in Portsmouth's shoes today?

I get that we all want to watch good football, who wouldn't? But I'd sooner play poorly and win, than play well and lose.

There is a lot of criticism across this forum at the moment of Wilder and/or the players - new and old. I'm quite shocked by the tone of some of it.

But we have won more games than any other side and are 2nd out of 24 teams in this league. So fans of 22 other teams would gladly swap places with us right now.

Entitled may be the wrong word, but short of the holy grail of scintillating football played by the best players in the world, managed by the best manager in the world, winning every match by a country mile, I'm not sure what would satisfy some people.

Let's give Wilder the benefit of a bit of patience and see how the team gels over the next few games, and maybe be happy to get some more wins along the way.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Fans criticise a poor performance = entitled.

Wilder says we were poor and arrogant = legend for being honest.

That’s because he spent the first minute of the interview telling people where he was from and how he gets it. For some reason people lap it up.

 

[Paulus]

The comments from the manager today confirms that he knows he’s either bought the wrong players for the system he wants to play or the right players that don’t suit the system….

We are 7 months into the season and I have no idea how we’re trying to set up… we may be 2nd but this will not last with these kinds of performances, we only need to see our results against the top 6 to see this.

Wilder needs to go back to basics. I’m gonna get replies saying yeah but we’re 2nd, … we may be that that’s not gonna last..

Get it sorted Wilder, play to the player’s strengths, it in this god awful attritional play that makes us look god damn ordinary.

See you all in the play offs… If any of us can be bothered to turn up.

Delusional- here’s a bloke who’s achieved fuck all having a pop.

 

[metalblade]

Out played at home by Plymouth, Hull and now Portsmouth all bottom four teams but our fans aren't allowed to moan otherwise they get labelled entitled, Jesus Christ give it a rest. With the players we have we should be bloody well beating these teams without too much difficulty. If we aren't the question has to be asked is Wilder up to the job tactically, we know he is a up and at em type motivator who likes his teams to run about a bit but phuckin hell we should not be struggling along against such teams. Christ alone knows what he has the players doing in training because they looked like 11 random blokes who had just met each other 10mins before kick off. Seen all this shit before with Wilder haven't we though. Sick of seeing good players told to play in positions they are not comfortable in square pegs in round holes springs to mind. Wilder for the last half dozen games has picked the wrong starting line up then had to change it for the second half not good enough by a long way but he will not admit most of the poor showings are down to him, good players like Hamer are getting him out of jail time after time.

 

[David Wheatley]

Wilder unfortunately still doesn’t know his his best team or more importantly his formation. He is good with his passion but in my view lacks the tactical nous required in modern day football and as a result he often sets us up without any focus on attack and we continue to go sideways without any tempo. Yesterday playing both Sousa and Choudray as defensive midfielders with the complete lack of any central attacking midfielders was a clear demonstration of this

 

[Yoonited]

I've read most posts on here with regards to Chris and performances.

Its got me thinking.

Are there some managers that are just good in 'backs to the wall' situations with no pressure, but when the pressure and expectations rise, they find it difficult managing this?

Would you put Chris in this bracket, like several other managers (dare i say Warnock)?

Yes, Chris took us through the leagues over 6 years ago now, with great attacking football, but after the dross we'd had for years before that, there was no pressure.

As has been mentioned by several posters, we had a great season in his 1st season back in the top flight where there was no pressure (but did the league position and Covid potentially start the pressure, as it was a break and opportunity to sit back and look at where we were).

This season, most of us expected little with the mass changes, but would you say with the great league position, expectations and pressure have risen (thanks to the team and management).

This is not a dig at Chris, because we all have people we know who we'd love in the trenches with us, but are these the same people you'd have with you if you wanted to move to another level after you have got out of the trenches?

Just a thought id had.

I think you're right.
If we are to sustain a lengthy period of time in the prem(should we get there) we need someone less emotional then Wilder.
He's a warrior yes but too irrational and reactive rather than proactive and a bit old fashioned for me.
His football is not exciting to watch,quite the antithesis.