Man U

[Latters]

Just look how a successful and well-run club has handled its managerial appointment.

I know they're the biggest club in the country so have their pick of the managers, but Alex Ferguson has retired. The club didn't ask him to leave so they may or may not have been expecting it, but they already had their replacement in mind whilst Fergie was still in post.

Us, on the other hand, we made the decision to sack our manager, so were fully aware of what was coming, just five games before the end of the season. The timing of the decision was laughable in itself, but then we compounded the embarrassment by showing the world we didn't have the foresight to have his replacement lined up by sticking some no-mark in charge with claims that it might reinvigorate the side, and some fell for it, defending the decision.

Now we are going through what seems to be a lengthy interview process, still with, it appears, no idea of who we want to replace the manager we made the decision to get rid of.

To say I love the Blades, I don't half hate them sometimes.

 

[TAMUS]

Manchester U really took off support wise ,because of the Munich air disaster , we do not want a disaster at any price ...........................................................oh wait a minute we have already got one .

 

[SotonBlade]

I really don't think we can compare The Blades to Man Utd!

It's like comparing tinned Mackerel with Caviar

 

[kingston RAWW]

They were Heaton Mersey when we were the first United. they don't even play in Manchester, they are from Salford, so they are not Manchester or United.
Everton were traditionally far bigger than Liverpool until 1960's.
Things change. We are small because we think small.

 

[Latters]

I really don't think we can compare The Blades to Man Utd!

It's like comparing tinned Mackerel with Caviar

I wasn't comparing us to them, merely pointing out that a successful club, or even a remotely ambitious one wouldn't sack it's manager with five games to go and nobody (I'm talking a real manager, a long-term solution) lined up, nay, not even lined up, but seemingly nobody in mind.

 

[DazBlade88]

From what I understand, he told the board he was retiring in February and he had a say who would take over so I can see why they've been so efficient with it. It's to be expected from the biggest club in this country by some distance and one of the biggest clubs in the world.

I still think our managerial situation has been, and still is, a shambles. I have a bad feeling about our 7 man shortlist, but the difference between us and them is phenomenal so it's difficult to compare the two.

EDIT: Just seen that you weren't comparing the two - the rest of my post is fine though

 

[Sothall_Blade]

From what I understand, he told the board he was retiring in February and he had a say who would take over so I can see why they've been so efficient with it. It's to be expected from the biggest club in this country by some distance and one of the biggest clubs in the world.

They also had the benefit of learning from the mistakes they made last time, where Ferguson announced he planned to retire at the end of the season. At which point the team went into freefall, the board appeared to be taken by surprise and he ended up changing his mind anyway.

Even the great Man Utd can make Sheff Utd style cock-ups. They just don't keep repeating them..

 

[Latters]

From what I understand, he told the board he was retiring in February and he had a say who would take over so I can see why they've been so efficient with it. It's to be expected from the biggest club in this country by some distance and one of the biggest clubs in the world.

I still think our managerial situation has been, and still is, a shambles. I have a bad feeling about our 7 man shortlist, but the difference between us and them is phenomenal so it's difficult to compare the two.

EDIT: Just seen that you weren't comparing the two - the rest of my post is fine though

If he had told them he was retiring in February and had an input, that might put a different slant on it, so I take your point there. It just frustrated me how we made what I thought was a pretty poor decision at an absolutely ridiculous time without the preparation being done for what happened afterwards.

 

[SwissBlade]

Latters I thought the same. But it's not exclusive to Man U. Other clubs lose a manager at short notice and then whether it is a quick decision or it takes time, they find a manager to fit their philosophy as a club. Clubs like Reading, Southampton and Swansea all did this. It'll be interesting to see how Everton take their decision.

Chelsea and perhaps Man City are also successful clubs, but have also made poorly judged appointments in recent years. To think of the stick that the Glazers got and probably still get, they arguably know how to run a sports business!

As for us, we made a huge statement when we appointed Wilson and whilst we had some small success for a while, the sacking was a panic move. It was a panic move made out of desperation. The desire to get out of this league is such that it was our only real option.

The club need to appoint the next manager in the same mould as Wilson otherwise they will look like idiots again. They had the courage of their convictions two summers ago to go out and get Wilson, now they need to either still believe that the Wilson way is the right way or change they style of the club yet again to ensure that they get effective football and get us up as champions, not through the play offs.

The problem is that this season the standard has dropped. Next season I think will be even tougher. We've regressed and are a known and un feared opponent. Then we have opponents such as Wolves coming down.

In some ways we need patience, let the manager build his team steadily, accept some short term settling in periods whilst the team gels. The result would most probably be mid table or play offs at best ( like This season). This would be accepted in the Championship and perhaps Danny Wilson should've been allowed this season as his transition and rebuilding season...

But the truth is, nobody wants to remain in this division. It's crap. So we panic to get out of it.

Perhaps we should re interview Danny wilson alongside Morgan and the other candidates and see how he comes out against the other high calibre managers.....

 

[chipsncake]

They were Heaton Mersey when we were the first United. they don't even play in Manchester, they are from Salford, so they are not Manchester or United.
Everton were traditionally far bigger than Liverpool until 1960's.
Things change. We are small because we think small.

"We are small because we think small"

Unfortunately it's as simple as that, and we will remain small for as long as McCabe is at the helm or against the odds we appoint a manager able to perform miracles. The fact that we are even interviewing Morgan for the job illustrates just how small minded this club is. The board also think cheap, and you would have thought that by now, we more than any other club would have learned that continually appointing the cheap option is a recipe for disaster. We should be moving heaven and earth to get the best man available this time round but somehow I just can't see it happening.

 

[Bladesway]

In spite of not being able to compare Man U to us, you can still put the same procedures in place as a big club. I heard Dave Whelan talking last week about how he is always looking at Managers who have been made available because you don't know when your man is going to get poached or you decide to sack him.

We are laughable not because we made a mistake but we keep doing the same bloody thing. The definition of stupidity is to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. It is exactly what SUFC do. We shuffle the board about but the same bloke keeps appointing the same crap managers. For a man who is so successful at everything else he has done you have to wonder how and why.

No good business likes a lack of continuity, thats exactly what we have had and is exactly why we should give managers 2 seasons rather than chucking them at the first sign of trouble.

No good business changes strategy on a whim. Even if the course is stormy you ride it out because you believe your strategy is good. We chop and change from youth to experience, from no loans to loans, from having a budget and not having to sell to selling at the first chance.

Had we given Blackwell the sack the end of the previous season the new manager would have had the budget to build a team. But no, we change our minds. Had we given Wilson the season out instead of shitting our pants at the first sign of shoes off, then we would have at least had a better chance than with captain passion at the helm. Had we kept Quinn and Blackman we would have been £5m better off with promotion (I cannot guarantee it but how many more goals would we have scored and points won) being assured.

Stick to our strategy and give our managers the chance to build rather than pulling the rug from under them and making them look bad because the owner shits his pants at the first sign of a few quid. Whatever happened to having a vision and sticking to it?

 

[chipsncake]

Latters I thought the same. But it's not exclusive to Man U. Other clubs lose a manager at short notice and then whether it is a quick decision or it takes time, they find a manager to fit their philosophy as a club. Clubs like Reading, Southampton and Swansea all did this. It'll be interesting to see how Everton take their decision.

Chelsea and perhaps Man City are also successful clubs, but have also made poorly judged appointments in recent years. To think of the stick that the Glazers got and probably still get, they arguably know how to run a sports business!

As for us, we made a huge statement when we appointed Wilson and whilst we had some small success for a while, the sacking was a panic move. It was a panic move made out of desperation. The desire to get out of this league is such that it was our only real option.

The club need to appoint the next manager in the same mould as Wilson otherwise they will look like idiots again. They had the courage of their convictions two summers ago to go out and get Wilson, now they need to either still believe that the Wilson way is the right way or change they style of the club yet again to ensure that they get effective football and get us up as champions, not through the play offs.

The problem is that this season the standard has dropped. Next season I think will be even tougher. We've regressed and are a known and un feared opponent. Then we have opponents such as Wolves coming down.

In some ways we need patience, let the manager build his team steadily, accept some short term settling in periods whilst the team gels. The result would most probably be mid table or play offs at best ( like This season). This would be accepted in the Championship and perhaps Danny Wilson should've been allowed this season as his transition and rebuilding season...

But the truth is, nobody wants to remain in this division. It's crap. So we panic to get out of it.

Perhaps we should re interview Danny wilson alongside Morgan and the other candidates and see how he comes out against the other high calibre managers.....

Don't know whether it was panic or not but we got rid of an awful manager playing awful football, we had no choice and in the opinion of many he should have gone much sooner. As for appointing the next manager in the same mould as Wilson just because 2 years ago they thought he was the right man is ridiculous. He wasn't the right man and we have to move on.

 

[DazBlade88]

If he had told them he was retiring in February and had an input, that might put a different slant on it, so I take your point there. It just frustrated me how we made what I thought was a pretty poor decision at an absolutely ridiculous time without the preparation being done for what happened afterwards.

I agree on the most part. I don't think it was bad thing to take a gamble in terms of getting rid of Wilson because we were going nowhere, but to have absolutely nothing lined up for that time and still be in a similar situation now is really poor.

Not many players have been officially signed yet, but there will be a hell of a lot of negotiations going on with players all over the country whilst we've shortlisted managers a month after Wilson left. We need to appoint the manager next week so that we're not playing catch up too much, otherwise we'll end up like we normally do after the playoff finals... behind everyone else in preparation for the new season.

 

[Latters]

Latters I thought the same. But it's not exclusive to Man U. Other clubs lose a manager at short notice and then whether it is a quick decision or it takes time, they find a manager to fit their philosophy as a club. Clubs like Reading, Southampton and Swansea all did this. It'll be interesting to see how Everton take their decision.

Chelsea and perhaps Man City are also successful clubs, but have also made poorly judged appointments in recent years. To think of the stick that the Glazers got and probably still get, they arguably know how to run a sports business!

As for us, we made a huge statement when we appointed Wilson and whilst we had some small success for a while, the sacking was a panic move. It was a panic move made out of desperation. The desire to get out of this league is such that it was our only real option.

The club need to appoint the next manager in the same mould as Wilson otherwise they will look like idiots again. They had the courage of their convictions two summers ago to go out and get Wilson, now they need to either still believe that the Wilson way is the right way or change they style of the club yet again to ensure that they get effective football and get us up as champions, not through the play offs.

The problem is that this season the standard has dropped. Next season I think will be even tougher. We've regressed and are a known and un feared opponent. Then we have opponents such as Wolves coming down.

In some ways we need patience, let the manager build his team steadily, accept some short term settling in periods whilst the team gels. The result would most probably be mid table or play offs at best ( like This season). This would be accepted in the Championship and perhaps Danny Wilson should've been allowed this season as his transition and rebuilding season...

But the truth is, nobody wants to remain in this division. It's crap. So we panic to get out of it.

Perhaps we should re interview Danny wilson alongside Morgan and the other candidates and see how he comes out against the other high calibre managers.....

I agree with plenty of what you say, the unfortunate part of that is that I can't imagine a new manager being allowed to rebuild, or construct a squad that he wants. Wilson probably wanted to do this, but instead we ended up dismantling. Listening to that Winter bloke's interview it sounds like there's more dismantling to be done. Once the old boys have gone, (Kitson, Robson and Higginbotham) I struggle to see where we're supposedly spending big wages, because we don't have any "big wage players". By that I mean players that were first team regulars at clubs at a higher level that would expect and command such wages. We're a squad made up of our own youth players, Championship reserves and average League 1 players.

All the new manager will get is the dregs of free transfers that nobody else wants. Anyone will struggle to build a team out of that.

I accepted our position this season because I looked at the players, and the goals associated, that we had lost and at the squad we ended up with, and thought mid table would have been an achievement. We punched above our weight this season in terms of ability. Thanks, DW, for that.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I really don't think we can compare The Blades to Man Utd!

It's like comparing tinned Mackerel with Caviar

You can get cavier in tins?

 

[judge]

Just look at how they seamlessly change captains on the starship enterprise compared to us at sufc who cant even pick a manager .we could learn a lot from starfleet , they obviously had jean luc picard in mind when james t kirk retired while we can only choose managers with silly nicknames and no experience of flying a spaceship

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I agree with plenty of what you say, the unfortunate part of that is that I can't imagine a new manager being allowed to rebuild, or construct a squad that he wants. Wilson probably wanted to do this, but instead we ended up dismantling. Listening to that Winter bloke's interview it sounds like there's more dismantling to be done. Once the old boys have gone, (Kitson, Robson and Higginbotham) I struggle to see where we're supposedly spending big wages, because we don't have any "big wage players". By that I mean players that were first team regulars at clubs at a higher level that would expect and command such wages. We're a squad made up of our own youth players, Championship reserves and average League 1 players.

All the new manager will get is the dregs of free transfers that nobody else wants. Anyone will struggle to build a team out of that.

I accepted our position this season because I looked at the players, and the goals associated, that we had lost and at the squad we ended up with, and thought mid table would have been an achievement. We punched above our weight this season in terms of ability. Thanks, DW, for that.

We should have set ourselves a target of 104 points based on the dregs we were facing.
Not getting 104 points is what you can thank Wilson for - BIG FAIL

 

[SwissBlade]

I agree with plenty of what you say, the unfortunate part of that is that I can't imagine a new manager being allowed to rebuild, or construct a squad that he wants. Wilson probably wanted to do this, but instead we ended up dismantling. Listening to that Winter bloke's interview it sounds like there's more dismantling to be done. Once the old boys have gone, (Kitson, Robson and Higginbotham) I struggle to see where we're supposedly spending big wages, because we don't have any "big wage players". By that I mean players that were first team regulars at clubs at a higher level that would expect and command such wages. We're a squad made up of our own youth players, Championship reserves and average League 1 players.

All the new manager will get is the dregs of free transfers that nobody else wants. Anyone will struggle to build a team out of that.

I accepted our position this season because I looked at the players, and the goals associated, that we had lost and at the squad we ended up with, and thought mid table would have been an achievement. We punched above our weight this season in terms of ability. Thanks, DW, for that.

But a lot of all this is a result of where we find ourselves. If we were Tranmere we'd have been happy with play offs, as sheff utd were not. It's not a big club syndrome, it's just what were used to, for the last 20 plus years we've been in the top two divisions and we believe that's our place. Theoretically it's where we should be and were desperate to get back there. But because of that we put pressure on our players, manager etc.

All that said, I want our new manager to not be looking at has beens and never weres but to be getting hungry players all of the same ability and passion to get us up.

Personally I think we fell short with the players that we had, probably because of the players that we had.

 

[SwissBlade]

Don't know whether it was panic or not but we got rid of an awful manager playing awful football, we had no choice and in the opinion of many he should have gone much sooner. As for appointing the next manager in the same mould as Wilson just because 2 years ago they thought he was the right man is ridiculous. He wasn't the right man and we have to move on.

But he was the right man at the time we appointed him, he certainly proved he was the right man in his first season, there were few that disagreed with this last season.

It's not ridiculous to want to employ a manager with similar beliefs and attributes because they should reflect the clubs aspirations.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

But a lot of all this is a result of where we find ourselves. If we were Tranmere we'd have been happy with play offs, as sheff utd were not. It's not a big club syndrome, it's just what were used to, for the last 20 plus years we've been in the top two divisions and we believe that's our place. Theoretically it's where we should be and were desperate to get back there. But because of that we put pressure on our players, manager etc.

This is the main reason we are where we are, since relegation from the Prem, we've been spending based on where we think we should be not based on where we are. Last season, reality was forced upon us.

 

[Bladesman]

Man U did have the benefit of knowing early on Fergie was off BUT it really is how you go about appointing someone new. Man U had the man they wanted in mind and went for him...end of.

Us on the other hand knew we were going to let Wilson go but hadn't a clue who to replace him with or who was available. Then just assumed Morgan would do for now and that he might see us through.

Totally cack handed everytime from the Blades and people wonder fans like me have lost faith.

 

[borbokis]

Wilson = Blackwell
Morgan = Speed
New Manager = Mickey Adams

God help us

 

[chipsncake]

But he was the right man at the time we appointed him, he certainly proved he was the right man in his first season, there were few that disagreed with this last season.

It's not ridiculous to want to employ a manager with similar beliefs and attributes because they should reflect the clubs aspirations.

Matter of opinion but in my book he certainly wasn't the right man when appointed, and despite playing some decent football against generally very poor opposition he ultimately failed in his first season just as he has everywhere else he's been other than Barnsley. In his second season he kept us in the mix due to away performances that got results but were far from inspiring and the football we played at home was as bad as anything I've ever seen. I fail to see why anything Wilson brought to the club should be used as a blueprint for the club to aspire to, and another managerial appointment of the same mould would put us in even more serious trouble than we are already in.

 

[SwissBlade]

Matter of opinion but in my book he certainly wasn't the right man when appointed, and despite playing some decent football against generally very poor opposition he ultimately failed in his first season just as he has everywhere else he's been other than Barnsley. In his second season he kept us in the mix due to away performances that got results but were far from inspiring and the football we played at home was as bad as anything I've ever seen. I fail to see why anything Wilson brought to the club should be used as a blueprint for the club to aspire to, and another managerial appointment of the same mould would put us in even more serious trouble than we are already in.

Ok, perhaps you've missed my point, my point wasn't about Wilson, it was about the style of appointment that the club went with. They made a clear statement with Wilson that they wanted a manager to get the team playing passing football and regardless of your opinion of Wilson himself and his results, it was the style of appointment that they went for.

Looking at some of the rumoured managers some fit the bill, some don't. If for example they went with Southgate over Warnock, it would suggest that they are sticking with this style... Whether the man himself has any substance is another thing, but the point was the managerial appointment will show how stable the club is in terms of its aspirations.

If that makes any sense

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

But he was the right man at the time we appointed him - wasn't, he certainly proved he was the right man in his first season -Evans goals papered over the cracks, there were few that disagreed with this last season - I did but I tend to be a bit grumpy but take no pleasure in being proved right.

It's not ridiculous to want to employ a manager with similar beliefs and attributes because they should reflect the clubs aspirations.

 

[SwissBlade]

I have to disagree GRUMPY BLADE the football last season was, at times, excellent. Sure Ched's goals were a massive plus, but the whole side created chances for him.

Admittedly he proved he was an excellent goal scorer, but he had eventually got a supply line which provided for him and allowed him the opportunity. We've not had that this season.

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

I really don't think we can compare The Blades to Man Utd!

It's like comparing tinned Mackerel with Caviar

It's like comparing simonsen with Van der sar

 

[StarBlade]

People at the club and in the stands have to think long term, always. We can blame the board but as fans we are also partially to blame. We expect individuals to turn the club around too soon. We say "play the youngsters", and when it turns out they're not Pele Mk II in the first game, we then doubt whether they should get games.

Take Wilson, a poll of Sheffield Star suggest most people, with hindsight, still would have sacked Wilson. Now, I think Wilson was a great appointment and still don't understand the sacking with a few games to go, especially to appoint Morgan. Simply, a pathetic decision. If we were trying to 'do a Wednesday', then we failed because Wednesday had, get this, you won't believe me, appointed a ..... football manager to take over the football managerial side of things. Crazy! We, well, we did it the Blades Way

As for Man Utd, well, they are the best and they lead the way and what they've done with Moyes is really quite good. A 6 year contract for starters. What they are saying is that Moyes is long-term. Moyes would have taken a 6 month contract so I don't think 6 years has come from him. This is England's biggest and best club stating that they intend to keep Moyes for 6 years at least. If they have a disaster next season, then I think Moyes will be there the next season too. And if they had a bad season again, I think Moyes will still be there.

We on the other hand, with a play-off place guaranteed sack the manager and go into the play-offs with an unknown. We, on the other hand, don't back our manager, sell players for short-term financial gain (and long-term financial ruin), and the minute we have a dip, we're getting rid.

We need 2 things. Firstly, hire the best candidate. Secondly, back him with time. I guarantee he will win us promotion, but not necessarily instantly.

 

[Hartley Hare]

On the basis that Moyes will take his own backroom staff to Old Trafford. What will become of Mike Phelan?

Is he an outside shout for us, as the new manager?

 

[mpjacko]

It's like comparing simonsen with Van der sar

It's like comparng Simonsen to a GK