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That first half his passing was absolutely masterful, anyone saying he's simply not good enough needs their head seeing to.
Some games we'll be better off going with Mcatee in the three with Hamer and Vini, and could've really done with having Macca to bring on for Norwood when the game got so chaotic in the last 20 minutes, but Oli's still a very good midfielder.
 
ReeceofBDTBL said:
That first half his passing was absolutely masterful, anyone saying he's simply not good enough needs their head seeing to.
Some games we'll be better off going with Mcatee in the three with Hamer and Vini, and could've really done with having Macca to bring on for Norwood when the game got so chaotic in the last 20 minutes, but Oli's still a very good midfielder.
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I get it, but there are always, always going to be long spells when we are under it during games, and I just don't think he offers nearly enough all round, or that those pings lead to enough goals or chances anyway as nice as they look, to start him.
 
I don't see any team in this division being less mobile than Everton.

Norwood struggled 3 seasons ago with the pace, and towards end of last season once Boro provided the blueprint for everyone to just harrass him.

Been a great servant and until teams stop pressing us, he is a luxury and I'm afraid a liability in the middle!

(While I'm on a roll Where's the Egan thread? 😉)
 
The Hobott said:
They seemed to have two types of players tall massive mounds and tall speed merchants. I know the rest are all athletes but surely not as bad as today.
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They did but they always had a man spare in the middle to mop up the knock downs. We can't play him and Vini together unless we are planning to play for a 0-0 draw from the start. We need someone a lot more mobile to help out and make the other teams panic
 
LS5 Blade said:
They did but they always had a man spare in the middle to mop up the knock downs. We can't play him and Vini together unless we are planning to play for a 0-0 draw from the start. We need someone a lot more mobile to help out and make the other teams panic
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If we can get composure + more speed we are on to a winner. Doyle had that at the end of last season and got the shirt and I was all for it. Just saying "Norwood can't start" is pointless.

As for today I thought they were basic in midfield until about 60 minutes when we seemed so tired we surrendered it
 
The Hobott said:
If we can get composure + more speed we are on to a winner. Doyle had that at the end of last season and got the shirt and I was all for it. Just saying "Norwood can't start" is pointless.

As for today I thought they were basic in midfield until about 60 minutes when we seemed so tired we surrendered it
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Doyle wasn’t quick at all. I think an inverted triangle with Souza at the base, McAtee and Hamer at the top will give us a lot more mobility.

The defenders will have to kick the ball forward themselves instead of playing a 5 yard pass to Norwood but I’m sure they can manage.
 
The Hobott said:
Wow. And there it is. You don't think it will happen in your lifetime - but it does. The most stupid comment ever seen on the internet*.



*Concerning the blades
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It's merely an opinion one i know many share : whereas your reply is the most ill-thought, imature, overeaction to what is ao obviously not & never will be 'the most stupid comment ever'.
You are obviously beyond stupid yourself, special needs or below the age of 10.
 
90 minutes both Wednesday and Saturday and you could tell in the second half vs Everton. (Only player too)

Dont know why Slimane/Davies/Coulibaly couldn't have done 30 minutes to give us fresh energy. Hecky didn't seem as fussed with the subs and not naming 9 on the bench.
 

Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
90 minutes both Wednesday and Saturday and you could tell in the second half vs Everton. (Only player too)

Dont know why Slimane/Davies/Coulibaly couldn't have done 30 minutes to give us fresh energy. Hecky didn't seem as fussed with the subs and not naming 9 on the bench.
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Not ready

Not ready

Definitely not ready
 
derekacorah said:
Will be good backup to a trio of McAtee, Hamer, Souza.

Did some good things today but looked out of his depth for large parts against a mobile and physical opposition midfield.
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^^^ This. He looks better when drops back in front of the back four and has more space and time. In the hurly burly of actual central midfield he doesn’t have the same space or time and simply gets played around.

He wasn’t “ bad” on Saturday but his weakness and lack of any pace isn’t going to be enough in this league.

No doubt someone will quiet his completed pass stats but take away the one twos with the centre backs and that figure will drop dramatically.
 
Echoing the points above but I think we should be seeing less of him, especially in the PL.

When we play out from the back he's heavily involved in either taking the ball off the CB or doing a 1-2, but we know that when under pressure he's not great, and if he plays a diagonal which gets cut out then it generally leaves their attackers a free run to our defence because he's so deep.

There was one instance in the first half where the ball broke to him, and if it were Hamer, Souza or even Doyle they'd have driven with it but Norwood was desperately trying to offload it to someone else and we lost all momentum.

He's still a great player to have in the squad though, but hopefully as a back up.
 
To sum up Norwood for me - he's great with the ball at his feet, taking it off the defence and putting it on a sixpence.

He's crap without the ball, he just doesn't have the legs for the job to do the dirty work of tackling, plugging gaps and tracking runners - doing all the shit jobs that someone like Monty used to do.

If we stay up, we cut him loose because his deal finishes at the end of the season. If we go down, we use his option for another year because he's a good Championship midfielder in a team that should have the majority of possession.
 
Badger Blade said:
To sum up Norwood for me - he's great with the ball at his feet, taking it off the defence and putting it on a sixpence.

He's crap without the ball, he just doesn't have the legs for the job to do the dirty work of tackling, plugging gaps and tracking runners - doing all the shit jobs that someone like Monty used to do.

If we stay up, we cut him loose because his deal finishes at the end of the season. If we go down, we use his option for another year because he's a good Championship midfielder in a team that should have the majority of possession.
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In certain situations and transitions in play he’s crap without the ball because he just doesn’t have the athleticism.

However, when we’re fixed in a low block his reading of the play, interceptions and tackling is very good.

Start of the second half Saturday was way too chaotic and he was exposed.
 
Last seasons 6th best tackler in the Champ, always Norwood never the static crap hiding behind players 🤔. Always available and covering younger players who couldn't get back down the pitch Saturday....... By the way how good is Hamer going to be UTB

Maybe we could look at how the better teams all close down players, Salah, Foden etc. 5 players behind Norwood and 2 at his side, and 2 in front. Not inc the Goalie
 
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Badger Blade said:
To sum up Norwood for me - he's great with the ball at his feet, taking it off the defence and putting it on a sixpence.

He's crap without the ball, he just doesn't have the legs for the job to do the dirty work of tackling, plugging gaps and tracking runners - doing all the shit jobs that someone like Monty used to do.

If we stay up, we cut him loose because his deal finishes at the end of the season. If we go down, we use his option for another year because he's a good Championship midfielder in a team that should have the majority of possession.
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I think you do him a disservice - as has been said elsewhere, over the last couple of seasons his workrate has been great while out of possession.

My bigger issue is his range - when he's on it and can land it on a sixpence, then he has few peers. Problem is there appear to be too many games (including a fair bit of the last one) where that doesn't happen, and then he becomes a liability as he just gives it away much too often.

The Hamer/Souza/McAtee midfield I think most hope to see will miss lose some of that, but Hamer offers passing range and greater attacking threat, while Souza looks stronger and more comfortable on the ball while still able to find a short outlet pass.
 
Badger Blade said:
To sum up Norwood for me - he's great with the ball at his feet, taking it off the defence and putting it on a sixpence.

He's crap without the ball, he just doesn't have the legs for the job to do the dirty work of tackling, plugging gaps and tracking runners - doing all the shit jobs that someone like Monty used to do.

If we stay up, we cut him loose because his deal finishes at the end of the season. If we go down, we use his option for another year because he's a good Championship midfielder in a team that should have the majority of possession.
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Wasn't he the leading Championship midfielder last season with tackles and interceptions?
A misconception of Norwood his detractors continue to pedal
 
Sean Thornton said:
According to the stats he was rated higher than IN last season.
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Yeah, it was a bit tongue in cheek regarding statistics in the Mcburnie thread. Great player Norwood, one of my favourites of the recent era but his time's nearly up at this level. Difficult to replace, almost everything goes through him, doesn't always come off but never hides.
 
Badger Blade said:
He's crap without the ball,
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I don’t necessarily agree with this, he’s fine at providing a screen in front of the defence against teams that don’t have really athletic, technical midfielders, as proven in the Championship across multiple seasons. Unfortunately this season that won’t be happening very often.
 
Interesting thread.....some divisive comments and I can see validity in the "he's great" or "he's crap" viewpoints.

Norwood excels in playing like a quarterback (deep lying midfielder who looks to play the Hollywood ball).
He takes the ball off the centre backs or a fellow midfielder and then he launches it diagonally onto the wings.

When it works.....he quickly turns defence into attack and it's a great tactics.
When it doesn't work....he cheaply and unnecessarily gives up possession.

Would love to see some stats regards how often Norwood gives up possession to the opposition.
Appreciate his stats regards pass success won't look good because he tends to try the difficult pass (so deserves some credit)
Whereas other midfielders (someone like Fleck) would usually try the very safe sideways and backwards pass.

We've only played a few matches in the PL but Ive already noticed that teams tend to cherish possession much more than in the Championship.
In the Championship if Norwood tried "the long pass" it was a good tactic. It usually lead to losing possession but in that division it wasn't long before
we regained it back. Where as in the PL, we have much longer spells without the ball with the defence under pressure.

We win the ball back, give it Norwood, he pumps it long for Traore to run on to, their defender intercepts and we've instantly given up possession
so our defence is under pressure again.

I think Norwood is overusing his "long ball" tactic and our midfield need to work better having more spells of short passing interplay.
Will be interesting to see how our style is effected without Norwood because he's been one of our main weapons for years.

I do rate Norwood......the long diagonal is a great weapon but he needs to be told to stop over using it.
When we're under the cosh......we need to learn how to take the sting out of games by playing some neat possession.
 

derekacorah said:
I don’t necessarily agree with this, he’s fine at providing a screen in front of the defence against teams that don’t have really athletic, technical midfielders, as proven in the Championship across multiple seasons. Unfortunately this season that won’t be happening very often.
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I thought Ollie Norwood had a good game on Saturday, he was the link between defence and midfield, not an athlete, most of the players are athletes, the definition of an athlete -

Someone is considered athletic when they possess a combination of strength, speed, endurance, agility, balance, and coordination. They typically excel in physical activities and sports, demonstrating a high level of fitness and skills in one or more areas.

I bet most fans can't run for 10minutes, never mind for 90 minutes.

Everton had some huge players over 6 foot, there stride is much like Usain Bolt, it's very difficult for smaller players to keep up with them.

You also can't run faster than when a football is kicked, Ollie is a very good passer of a football, all players have different attributes, that's why football is the greatest game in the world and was made in SHEFFIELD
 
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