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LS5 Blade said:
Fast forward to this season....Up until the Boro home game, either no teams were pressing him, and Boro got theirs hands on the blue print from 2 years ago of how to play against him, or he had adapted his game, and due to lack of form, or legs having gone is having a torrid time.

I fear its the latter!
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The counter for it this season was Norwood sitting deeper.

Except he ended up getting deeper and deeper and deeper and basically sitting on Egans lap to collect the ball...

And that led to whole other issue for our midfield leaving Berge to protect it by himself.
 

Hope he isn't started again now
The team looks too unbalanced with him in it
Doyle thrives in the pivot of the three and looks a bit lost went moved out of that role when mcatee doesn't play it isolates ndiaye who usually ends up being ragdolled by centre backs and is ineffective

Course we will never know but in the short space of time we had eleven on the pitch Burnleys only threat came from Norwood needing too much time on the ball and being too slow to react
 
Pompey_Blade said:
Literally one of our key performers all season, the stats backed it up. However his form has dropped off a cliff recently. But let's not forget his earlier form.
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His passing stats will always be the best because our tactics are designed around him.
He's our quarterback who sits in defensive midfield. When our players have the ball instead of going forward they are told to look sidewards or behind
then find Norwood with a pass who sets the tempo of the game and starts all our attacks with the long pass.

We play to his strengths and when he's playing well....we play well because we're over reliant on him.
Half way through the season I thought our tactics were so predictable, man mark Norwood and we have no plan B, in fact we didn't have a proper
cohesive midfield and I found that concerning.

However criticism is unfair because in the right team and use his strengths Norwood is still a really good player, a great servant and role model.
 
The simple fact is, we need a lot of new players next season, and were in embargo and have no money, so, im prepared for a really shit season, whatever league were in.
 
s4-blade said:
Every player and staff member came over to the away end last night. Except Norwood. Thanks for that oli
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No surprise from the Burnley fan. A family sit around us at the home matches and we're praising the players for making the effort with their young uns at a birthday event and only one wasn't bothered was Norwood.

Probably knows he's off.
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
No surprise from the Burnley fan. A family sit around us at the home matches and we're praising the players for making the effort with their young uns at a birthday event and only one wasn't bothered was Norwood.

Probably knows he's off.
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Was going to say he grew up in Burnley held a season ticket to them in his youth and supports them.

Wouldn't read too much into it tbh.
 
jono_t2000 said:
Was going to say he grew up in Burnley held a season ticket to them in his youth and supports them.

Wouldn't read too much into it tbh.
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Yeah it doesn't really bother me what players are like as I'm not a kid anymore. But he does seem abit mardy compared to someone like Basham Sharp etc.
 
At risk of getting pelters, I want Norwood to play the next two games ahead of either Doyle or McAtee. He needs to play himself back into form. And we need him on form at Wembley. He is absolutely fucking class. His defensive tackling can also be brilliant. It hasn’t gone away permanently, he’s just out of sorts. He deserves our support while he gets the mojo back. He’s the bollocks
 
Norwood has been one of our best players this season. I agree that his form did drop off and it was a wise decision to change things around, but talk of saying he is finished is madness. I hope he is still here for a few seasons yet, and if we do get promoted, we will still need him next season (either starting or as cover). There are other players which need upgrading far more than Oli (LWB, LCH, LM & CF).
 
Gyp the blade said:
How did he get the shirt in front of Mcatee? Offers nothing in the midfield going forward like Mcatee does. Doyle,Berge look lost with him there. Get Norwood off now for Mcatee it’s plain to see there is no link between midfield and attack
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Granted not been at his best of late but until recently along with N'Diaye he as been our most consistent player this season and is a huge part of why we find ourselves where we are in the league at the moment. I would save your criticism's for others like Bogle & Berge (1 decent game in 5). Norwood may have his faults but he never hides.
 
South Sea Blade said:
we will still need him next season (either starting or as cover).
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As cover only... absolutely must not be starting games in the Prem.

If you think his lack of mobility gets exposed in the Champ,then you aint seen nothing yet.....

And yes he has got slower in the last couple of seasons since we were last up.
 

Norwood is neither 'class' nor 'our best player' in any season. I think people are far too misty-eyed about what they perceive to be a decent player. This season he has, at last shown some of what we expect of him being a former Premier League player playing in a lower division. His tackling has improved slightly and he's stopped wasting everyone's time finding the wingbacks with hollywood passes which end up coming backwards anyway. And ... at last after fucking dozens of skied efforts ... he's scored a free kick from distance to justify miniscule-like the 'sweet-feet' label. When the opposition don't play anti-Norwood tactics and they haven't got AMs to press him he's having a decent game and not coughing up possession. Better teams know that he is our only distribution portal and just cancel him out or get the ball dead cheap from him. Compare that with Doyle, who admittedly isn't flawless but his dynamism and concentration and above all else - effect - is a different gravy. It's strange now we have had some consistent games with Doyle playing the CDM pivot there seems to be a collective realisation as to what we have tolerated with Norwood being unchallenged in that role. Doyle covers a lot of turf and against Wigan was in the CDM hole fetching and carrying, down helping Baldock see off their wingers, putting a decent tackle in, jockeying advancing players wide into a CB/WB trap, driving the team up the pitch with the ball at his feet and available to crack it on goal. Norwood is barely 50% of that, and I have shipped bucketloads of shit in My Takes trying to justify low marks whilst the fanclub reckon United is fucked without him.

pommpey
 
South Sea Blade said:
Norwood has been one of our best players this season. I agree that his form did drop off and it was a wise decision to change things around, but talk of saying he is finished is madness. I hope he is still here for a few seasons yet, and if we do get promoted, we will still need him next season (either starting or as cover). There are other players which need upgrading far more than Oli (LWB, LCH, LM & CF).
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Now now SSB steady on..you might say my views on Berge are wrong but if your insisting players like Norwood should be starting in the PL then we haven't much hope.

IF we get promoted we need 3 midfielders.
We could be losing all of..
Doyle
Mcatee
Osborn
Fleck
Coulibaly
Norwood
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
Now now SSB steady on..you might say my views on Berge are wrong but if your insisting players like Norwood should be starting in the PL then we haven't much hope.

IF we get promoted we need 3 midfielders.
We could be losing all of..
Doyle
Mcatee
Osborn
Fleck
Coulibaly
Norwood
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Ideally I wouldn't have him starting - my preference would be as cover for someone like Doyle. However, the point I was trying to make was that there are other players currently in and around our first 11 who are less likely to succeed in the EPL than Norwood. We could, of course, replace them all (ala Forest) and see how that goes......
 
Charlieblade said:
I think we are all guilty of looking back with misty, rose coloured lenses at the careers and contributions of Norwood, Sharp, Basham and Fleck.
Being brutally honest, they are the past, and the like of Ndiaye, Doyle and McAtee are a brief glimpse of what the future could hold for us as a club.
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Two loan players and someone who’ll be gone next summer if not this one? What a future that is. Get real
 
Sheffsteel said:
His passing stats will always be the best because our tactics are designed around him.
He's our quarterback who sits in defensive midfield. When our players have the ball instead of going forward they are told to look sidewards or behind
then find Norwood with a pass who sets the tempo of the game and starts all our attacks with the long pass.

We play to his strengths and when he's playing well....we play well because we're over reliant on him.
Half way through the season I thought our tactics were so predictable, man mark Norwood and we have no plan B, in fact we didn't have a proper
cohesive midfield and I found that concerning.

However criticism is unfair because in the right team and use his strengths Norwood is still a really good player, a great servant and role model.
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You are spot on, however it wasn't just his passing stats that he was topping for the league at the time. Off the top of my head he was also up there for interceptions and tackles.

I said a few months back to my old man, if any team give Norwood space we will win. Like you mention it's when teams started crowding him out that we/him started to struggle.

The space created by this should have resulted in someone else (Berge) stepping up and dominating but wasn't happening, so Hecky has rightly changed the system.
 
South Sea Blade said:
Ideally I wouldn't have him starting - my preference would be as cover for someone like Doyle. However, the point I was trying to make was that there are other players currently in and around our first 11 who are less likely to succeed in the EPL than Norwood. We could, of course, replace them all (ala Forest) and see how that goes......
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...or replace them all (ala Burnley) and see how it goes ?
 
Like him as practically a defender lobbing balls up when we are trying to get something at the end of the game, don't like him trying to play it out and giving the ball away for the whole game before.
 
Nothing against Norwood and Basham who have been great servants but they should have both been released two years ago along with Fleck, Three wages that could be put towards young talent. 2 and 3 year contracts for 30 year olds just doesn’t make any sense to me, should be rolling one year contracts. The times Palace bypassed our midfield yesterday beggared belief. Not their fault but age has caught up with them both. People slag off the Board but the recruitment and retention team need a good bollicking as well in my book.
 
Hillsboro Blade said:
Nothing against Norwood and Basham who have been great servants but they should have both been released two years ago along with Fleck, Three wages that could be put towards young talent. 2 and 3 year contracts for 30 year olds just doesn’t make any sense to me, should be rolling one year contracts. The times Palace bypassed our midfield yesterday beggared belief. Not their fault but age has caught up with them both. People slag off the Board but the recruitment and retention team need a good bollicking as well in my book.
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100% bottom line is he’s not a premier league player, end of.
 

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