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Cant belive Burnley would get Berge for only 12 mil, surely this has to be wind up this close to the Premiership opener. 🤬
 

Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?

Despite his size, he isn’t the dominant enforcer that Yaya Toure (and I know he could play a few roles) or Papa Bouba Diop were, players of similar stature. He also doesn’t have the long passing range to do what Norwood does as a deep lying quarterback.

In a flat midfield three he played right of the three but did he really nail it more than Lundstram when the latter could be arsed? Net-net it could be argued the Scouse Shithawk contributed more.

He seemed to excel most driving down the right in a 3-4-3 role. This is when he was most dangerous, but when the centre forwards were fit and so were Gibbs-White and Ndiaye, there was an argument for him not to make the XI in the position he was most effective. Are we really going to leave ourselves so exposed in the top flight with just two central midfield players?

He was never really a number 10 either.

He was just kind of nice and adaptable, comfortable on the ball, but even in the league below, he was good, sometimes very good, but let’s not kid ourselves that he was the consistent cheat code we all thought he would be. He didn’t return figures like Buendia for example the season Norwich sold him.

Our best midfields have been Coutts, Fleck and Duffy and Norwood, Fleck and Duffy in recent memory. Sander has better attributes in a number of areas than them, but they were a better unit.

Maybe I’m naive but if we ended up with O’Brien-Vicinius-Slimane with potential Man City and Chelsea midfield loans snapping at their heels, perhaps this is a better outcome?
 
Champagneblade said:
Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?

Despite his size, he isn’t the dominant enforcer that Yaya Toure (and I know he could play a few roles) or Papa Bouba Diop were, players of similar stature. He also doesn’t have the long passing range to do what Norwood does as a deep lying quarterback.

In a flat midfield three he played right of the three but did he really nail it more than Lundstram when the latter could be arsed? Net-net it could be argued the Scouse Shithawk contributed more.

He seemed to excel most driving down the right in a 3-4-3 role. This is when he was most dangerous, but when the centre forwards were fit and so were Gibbs-White and Ndiaye, there was an argument for him not to make the XI in the position he was most effective. Are we really going to leave ourselves so exposed in the top flight with just two central midfield players?

He was never really a number 10 either.

He was just kind of nice and adaptable, comfortable on the ball, but even in the league below, he was good, sometimes very good, but let’s not kid ourselves that he was the consistent cheat code we all thought he would be. He didn’t return figures like Buendia for example the season Norwich sold him.

Our best midfields have been Coutts, Fleck and Duffy and Norwood, Fleck and Duffy in recent memory. Sander has better attributes in a number of areas than them, but they were a better unit.

Maybe I’m naive but if we ended up with O’Brien-Vicinius-Slimane with potential Man City and Chelsea midfield loans snapping at their heels, perhaps this is a better outcome?
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I agree Sander has always been a square peg in a hole where we don't know where to put him.
 
ATL Recs said:
Guaranteed this will come back to haunt us this season
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True going to Burnley who's system may suit him better then yeah it probably will.

It's why I would have preferred him going to Bruges instead.
 
Champagneblade said:
Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?

Despite his size, he isn’t the dominant enforcer that Yaya Toure (and I know he could play a few roles) or Papa Bouba Diop were, players of similar stature. He also doesn’t have the long passing range to do what Norwood does as a deep lying quarterback.

In a flat midfield three he played right of the three but did he really nail it more than Lundstram when the latter could be arsed? Net-net it could be argued the Scouse Shithawk contributed more.

He seemed to excel most driving down the right in a 3-4-3 role. This is when he was most dangerous, but when the centre forwards were fit and so were Gibbs-White and Ndiaye, there was an argument for him not to make the XI in the position he was most effective. Are we really going to leave ourselves so exposed in the top flight with just two central midfield players?

He was never really a number 10 either.

He was just kind of nice and adaptable, comfortable on the ball, but even in the league below, he was good, sometimes very good, but let’s not kid ourselves that he was the consistent cheat code we all thought he would be. He didn’t return figures like Buendia for example the season Norwich sold him.

Our best midfields have been Coutts, Fleck and Duffy and Norwood, Fleck and Duffy in recent memory. Sander has better attributes in a number of areas than them, but they were a better unit.

Maybe I’m naive but if we ended up with O’Brien-Vicinius-Slimane with potential Man City and Chelsea midfield loans snapping at their heels, perhaps this is a better outcome?
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I completely agree with all that, and am very indifferent about him leaving in itself. But that doesn't change the fact that it would be bat-shit crazy to sell him 5 days before the season starts with barely any other midfielders on the books. Also Berge is actually capable of creating something when he does turn up, which is something the others can't.
 
Champagneblade said:
Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?

Despite his size, he isn’t the dominant enforcer that Yaya Toure (and I know he could play a few roles) or Papa Bouba Diop were, players of similar stature. He also doesn’t have the long passing range to do what Norwood does as a deep lying quarterback.

In a flat midfield three he played right of the three but did he really nail it more than Lundstram when the latter could be arsed? Net-net it could be argued the Scouse Shithawk contributed more.

He seemed to excel most driving down the right in a 3-4-3 role. This is when he was most dangerous, but when the centre forwards were fit and so were Gibbs-White and Ndiaye, there was an argument for him not to make the XI in the position he was most effective. Are we really going to leave ourselves so exposed in the top flight with just two central midfield players?

He was never really a number 10 either.

He was just kind of nice and adaptable, comfortable on the ball, but even in the league below, he was good, sometimes very good, but let’s not kid ourselves that he was the consistent cheat code we all thought he would be. He didn’t return figures like Buendia for example the season Norwich sold him.

Our best midfields have been Coutts, Fleck and Duffy and Norwood, Fleck and Duffy in recent memory. Sander has better attributes in a number of areas than them, but they were a better unit.

Maybe I’m naive but if we ended up with O’Brien-Vicinius-Slimane with potential Man City and Chelsea midfield loans snapping at their heels, perhaps this is a better outcome?
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Champagneblade said:
Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?

Despite his size, he isn’t the dominant enforcer that Yaya Toure (and I know he could play a few roles) or Papa Bouba Diop were, players of similar stature. He also doesn’t have the long passing range to do what Norwood does as a deep lying quarterback.

In a flat midfield three he played right of the three but did he really nail it more than Lundstram when the latter could be arsed? Net-net it could be argued the Scouse Shithawk contributed more.

He seemed to excel most driving down the right in a 3-4-3 role. This is when he was most dangerous, but when the centre forwards were fit and so were Gibbs-White and Ndiaye, there was an argument for him not to make the XI in the position he was most effective. Are we really going to leave ourselves so exposed in the top flight with just two central midfield players?

He was never really a number 10 either.

He was just kind of nice and adaptable, comfortable on the ball, but even in the league below, he was good, sometimes very good, but let’s not kid ourselves that he was the consistent cheat code we all thought he would be. He didn’t return figures like Buendia for example the season Norwich sold him.

Our best midfields have been Coutts, Fleck and Duffy and Norwood, Fleck and Duffy in recent memory. Sander has better attributes in a number of areas than them, but they were a better unit.

Maybe I’m naive but if we ended up with O’Brien-Vicinius-Slimane with potential Man City and Chelsea midfield loans snapping at their heels, perhaps this is a better outcome?
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The only problem I have with this deal is the timing. I personally think that 12 million is a decent sum for someone who has never really lived up to his potential and has one year left on his contract. How (if) the money is reinvested is the important bit.
 
Champagneblade said:
Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?
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I don't get the reason why people feel the need to try to "nail a position down" for a player. It's almost as silly as people ruling out us buying "wingers" as if they have no adaptable football skills whatsoever
 
Half wondering if we’re lining up a move for Jack Cork to go the other way… family ties ofc, we’ve been after him before and sure we’ll need someone of his ilk this season
 
Champagneblade said:
Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?

Despite his size, he isn’t the dominant enforcer that Yaya Toure (and I know he could play a few roles) or Papa Bouba Diop were, players of similar stature. He also doesn’t have the long passing range to do what Norwood does as a deep lying quarterback.

In a flat midfield three he played right of the three but did he really nail it more than Lundstram when the latter could be arsed? Net-net it could be argued the Scouse Shithawk contributed more.

He seemed to excel most driving down the right in a 3-4-3 role. This is when he was most dangerous, but when the centre forwards were fit and so were Gibbs-White and Ndiaye, there was an argument for him not to make the XI in the position he was most effective. Are we really going to leave ourselves so exposed in the top flight with just two central midfield players?

He was never really a number 10 either.

He was just kind of nice and adaptable, comfortable on the ball, but even in the league below, he was good, sometimes very good, but let’s not kid ourselves that he was the consistent cheat code we all thought he would be. He didn’t return figures like Buendia for example the season Norwich sold him.

Our best midfields have been Coutts, Fleck and Duffy and Norwood, Fleck and Duffy in recent memory. Sander has better attributes in a number of areas than them, but they were a better unit.

Maybe I’m naive but if we ended up with O’Brien-Vicinius-Slimane with potential Man City and Chelsea midfield loans snapping at their heels, perhaps this is a better outcome?
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I know you're just floating possible scenarios but if we say it was a football decision, who made it?
 

I can't say I blame him. He's got the opportunity to go to a side who will play a style of football that will no doubt suit him, at a team who look to be making good signings to kick on.
Or stay put, at a team who appear to be sinking. Fast
 
I agree with him not ever really settling, but it's the timing that has really fucking pissed me off. Why sell him at this stage and not weeks ago?

Ridiculous
 
The only surprise to me about this potential transfer is that another club in the Premier League is prepared to add him to their squad.

There's nothing about his general play that I've seen in three+ seasons that warrants it as I've rarely seen a midfield player - who isn't shoved out wide - disappear from matches for such long periods. And most of that was in the Championship.

If a decent fee is offered the club may as well cash in because despite optimism in some quarters I've never considered that we had much of a chance of staying up anyway and though he might add a bit of quality now and again, most of the games are going to pass him by, just as they did against much weaker opponents.

We may even replace him with someone who could do a better job. Maybe not, but it's a long season so who knows?
 
berge out souza and obrien in seems a pretty decent deal to me sander was obviously our best midfielder but dissapeared out of games more than he appeared in them were desperate for a lcm and dcm so ive no problem if these 2 come in plus weve still 2 prem loans to come in as well
 
gordoncharles said:
The only surprise to me about this potential transfer is that another club in the Premier League is prepared to add him to their squad.

There's nothing about his general play that I've seen in three+ seasons that warrants it as I've rarely seen a midfield player - who isn't shoved out wide - disappear from matches for such long periods. And most of that was in the Championship.

If a decent fee is offered the club may as well cash in because despite optimism in some quarters I've never considered that we had much of a chance of staying up anyway and though he might add a bit of quality now and again, most of the games are going to pass him by, just as they did against much weaker opponents.

We may even replace him with someone who could do a better job. Maybe not, but it's a long season so who knows?
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I suspect, whether this is right or not, that there is still a tiny little bit left of his reputation prior to signing for us. His first season was fucked by covid, and even prime Messi wouldn't have kept us up in that 2nd year.

I'm not saying I agree, just that it MIGHT be a reason that a prem team is willing to take a punt on him.
 
ForgeBlade said:
I suspect, whether this is right or not, that there is still a tiny little bit left of his reputation prior to signing for us. His first season was fucked by covid, and even prime Messi wouldn't have kept us up in that 2nd year.

I'm not saying I agree, just that it MIGHT be a reason that a prem team is willing to take a punt on him.
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It may well be that he plays better with more talented players around him,presumably Burnley's are.we shall see.
 
What a fucking disaster this club is at the moment.

Before Ndiaye was sold I was thinking relegation is a strong possibility but with him and Berge going, I don’t see anyway we can get out of it.

What a kick in the fucking bollocks it is for every single blade. It really is a fucking joke. I get that Ndiaye wanted to go back to his boyhood club but too busy changing his mind like the weather on where he wanted to be has caused us no end issues. With him here we had just a very slight chance of competing for the 17th place trophy.

The departure of Sander Berge is nothing short of a disgrace regards timing also & how he is being hounded out the club, he is not the player we thought we signed 3.5 years ago but he’s certainly better than any of the dross we currently have in our midfield department. A midfield of Slimane, Norwood and Ben Duracell battery Osborn is probably lower mid table championship quality.

Absolutely inept in the recruitment department. Every club seems to have targets lined up and signed pronto when they sell someone yet we pussy foot around a couple of quid here & there and end up shopping on the Asda whoopsie aisle picking up bargain buys.

The club as a whole need to get their fucking fingers out and get 5/6 players of real quality in before we are challenging Derby for the wankest side ever in the Prem, but I can’t see the required level coming In unfortunately. How the fuck are we going to attract anyone when we’re selling our best players and lose the majority of our games, no one is going to want to be a part of it.

We are becoming an absolute circus and a laughing stock, it’s going to be one long season.
 
Champagneblade said:
Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?

Despite his size, he isn’t the dominant enforcer that Yaya Toure (and I know he could play a few roles) or Papa Bouba Diop were, players of similar stature. He also doesn’t have the long passing range to do what Norwood does as a deep lying quarterback.

In a flat midfield three he played right of the three but did he really nail it more than Lundstram when the latter could be arsed? Net-net it could be argued the Scouse Shithawk contributed more.

He seemed to excel most driving down the right in a 3-4-3 role. This is when he was most dangerous, but when the centre forwards were fit and so were Gibbs-White and Ndiaye, there was an argument for him not to make the XI in the position he was most effective. Are we really going to leave ourselves so exposed in the top flight with just two central midfield players?

He was never really a number 10 either.

He was just kind of nice and adaptable, comfortable on the ball, but even in the league below, he was good, sometimes very good, but let’s not kid ourselves that he was the consistent cheat code we all thought he would be. He didn’t return figures like Buendia for example the season Norwich sold him.

Our best midfields have been Coutts, Fleck and Duffy and Norwood, Fleck and Duffy in recent memory. Sander has better attributes in a number of areas than them, but they were a better unit.

Maybe I’m naive but if we ended up with O’Brien-Vicinius-Slimane with potential Man City and Chelsea midfield loans snapping at their heels, perhaps this is a better outcome?
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Agree with all of that, great post. Thanks Sander, but this is a good move for us all.
 
berge has never been interested in wanting to stay with us so let him go very good player but he blew hot and cold if we get souza and obrien i think were stronger in midfield
 
BangorBlade said:
Cant belive Burnley would get Berge for only 12 mil, surely this has to be wind up this close to the Premiership opener. 🤬
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Just read an article about this, they were saying that Blades would be able to go for Akpom. however they also stated Akpom would be around 12 - 15 mill, as a top championship player. According to them this is the going rate for that std. Why then would an albeit bottom prem player be worth only 10 - 12 mill as in Berge case.?
 
Champagneblade said:
Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

We’ve never really known what to do with Sander have we?

He’s got some good attributes but in terms of nailing a position that actually suits us and him, he hasn’t really has he?

Despite his size, he isn’t the dominant enforcer that Yaya Toure (and I know he could play a few roles) or Papa Bouba Diop were, players of similar stature. He also doesn’t have the long passing range to do what Norwood does as a deep lying quarterback.

In a flat midfield three he played right of the three but did he really nail it more than Lundstram when the latter could be arsed? Net-net it could be argued the Scouse Shithawk contributed more.

He seemed to excel most driving down the right in a 3-4-3 role. This is when he was most dangerous, but when the centre forwards were fit and so were Gibbs-White and Ndiaye, there was an argument for him not to make the XI in the position he was most effective. Are we really going to leave ourselves so exposed in the top flight with just two central midfield players?

He was never really a number 10 either.

He was just kind of nice and adaptable, comfortable on the ball, but even in the league below, he was good, sometimes very good, but let’s not kid ourselves that he was the consistent cheat code we all thought he would be. He didn’t return figures like Buendia for example the season Norwich sold him.

Our best midfields have been Coutts, Fleck and Duffy and Norwood, Fleck and Duffy in recent memory. Sander has better attributes in a number of areas than them, but they were a better unit.

Maybe I’m naive but if we ended up with O’Brien-Vicinius-Slimane with potential Man City and Chelsea midfield loans snapping at their heels, perhaps this is a better outcome?
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100% spot on
 

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