Boro fans turning on Wilder?

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Chingo said:
Playing games isn’t he ?
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Who knows. If he's heard nothing then I'm really surprised he's inviting rumour, conjecture, criticism etc by not putting it to bed, in the short term at least.

As it stands, with Boro's form diving, their fans will hold him responsible if they think his mind has been elsewhere.
 
Wilder did similar with us every season. Not saying whether he would stay and not ruling out going to another club. I presume it's to put pressure on the board to give him what he wants. Obviously our terrible results meant the tactic wasn't as effective in the final season and that's probably why he's not here anymore.

Its not black and white with Wilder. He was absolutely incredible with us and is the main reason why we are a top end Championship side rather than a mid table L1 club. I wouldn't even blame him for the relegation from The Premier League. Our entire rise was built on sand and realistically it couldn't be sustained without spending much more than we did.

That said I think The Prince had every right to believe he had given Wilder enough to fashion a side that could bounce straight back. £120m is a huge amount at Championship level and we should have been able to build a squad with that sort of money that got straight back up with barely any new signings. Maybe Wilder would have done just that but he either walked out or was sacked for publically calling out the board about money. I get the feeling Wilder knew a lot of these players couldn't reach the heights of the promotion season and wanted to rebuild while The Prince likely thought we'd given enough money out in terms of fees and wages to expect promotion with little more investment.
 
Roygbiv said:
Wilder did similar with us every season. Not saying whether he would stay and not ruling out going to another club. I presume it's to put pressure on the board to give him what he wants. Obviously our terrible results meant the tactic wasn't as effective in the final season and that's probably why he's not here anymore.

Its not black and white with Wilder. He was absolutely incredible with us and is the main reason why we are a top end Championship side rather than a mid table L1 club. I wouldn't even blame him for the relegation from The Premier League. Our entire rise was built on sand and realistically it couldn't be sustained without spending much more than we did.

That said I think The Prince had every right to believe he had given Wilder enough to fashion a side that could bounce straight back. £120m is a huge amount at Championship level and we should have been able to build a squad with that sort of money that got straight back up with barely any new signings. Maybe Wilder would have done just that but he either walked out or was sacked for publically calling out the board about money. I get the feeling Wilder knew a lot of these players couldn't reach the heights of the promotion season and wanted to rebuild while The Prince likely thought we'd given enough money out in terms of fees and wages to expect promotion with little more investment.
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In a way, the worst thing we did was finish 9th. Had we succumbed to relegation honourably in our first season as most reasonably expected I have no doubt that we'd have bounced up far better last season, augmenting our squad with clever signings. What we did instead was try and shoehorn expensive high potential but callow young players into an overperforming side which was fraying at the seams. We didn't need Berge and Brewster for a combined £40m, we needed four £10m signings instead.
 
Well my Burnley supporting mate, who is reasonably well connected, has just told me that it appears to be between Wilder and Bilic for the vacant managers job.

He also told me that Burnley have laid a load of staff off since the take over and are having some difficulty in paying the wages to the ones that remain.

I can see why Wilder may appeal to them, but I can't for the life of me see how Burnley would appeal to Wilder.

I do wonder if it's just the old Wilder routine of getting himself a better contract to stay at the Boro?
 
Roygbiv said:
Wilder did similar with us every season. Not saying whether he would stay and not ruling out going to another club. I presume it's to put pressure on the board to give him what he wants.
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Maidenhead said:
I do wonder if it's just the old Wilder routine of getting himself a better contract to stay at the Boro?
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^^^^^this. I think the close season in the Prem was the only time he didn’t do it. (Might be wrong) It does seem to be his modus operandi.
 
Roygbiv said:
He was weirdly linked with West Brom the season we went up
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Aye, I remember that now and thinking how weird but was sort of used to it by then. I was starting to think maybe he was the source of these rumours every close season. Like he, apparently (rumour heard) used to phone in to Radio Sheffield praising his efforts.
 
Auld Reekie Blade said:
Aye, I remember that now and thinking how weird but was sort of used to it by then. I was starting to think maybe he was the source of these rumours every close season. Like he, apparently (rumour heard) used to phone in to Radio Sheffield praising his efforts.
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He used to phone radio Sheffield when he was a player apparently..
 
Maidenhead said:
Well my Burnley supporting mate, who is reasonably well connected, has just told me that it appears to be between Wilder and Bilic for the vacant managers job.

He also told me that Burnley have laid a load of staff off since the take over and are having some difficulty in paying the wages to the ones that remain.

I can see why Wilder may appeal to them, but I can't for the life of me see how Burnley would appeal to Wilder.

I do wonder if it's just the old Wilder routine of getting himself a better contract to stay at the Boro?
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Whatever the reason for not shutting down the rumours, Wilder certainly does know how to create disharmony between himself and the board.

Northampton, Sheffield United and now Boro.

Maybe West Brom were wise to stay away after all...
 

jono_t2000 said:
Whatever the reason for not shutting down the rumours, Wilder certainly does know how to create disharmony between himself and the board.

Northampton, Sheffield United and now Boro.

Maybe West Brom were wise to stay away after all...
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Not sure it was the case at Northampton. Certainly was at Oxford though
 
Tezza1889 said:
Yeah he used to phone (pretending to be a fan) in and say how great he'd played and that he shouldn't be dropped...

Seems he's still telling everybody how great he is. 😂😂😂
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Tezza1889 said:
He used to phone radio Sheffield when he was a player apparently..
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Apparently the world is made of cheese and full of gullible people, who believe what their told in a pub, by someone who pretends they know something.And then they pass it on, because they want to believe it,and it becomes a fact.It’s true, I’m sure of it, someone told me in a pub.
 
MagnifiqueShorehamStreet said:
Apparently the world is made of cheese and full of gullible people, who believe what their told in a pub, by someone who pretends they know something.And then they pass it on, because they want to believe it,and it becomes a fact.It’s true, I’m sure of it, someone told me in a pub.
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No it’s the moon that’s made of cheese !
 
Chingo said:
It was the DoF that was gonna set wilder on at Wba but the owner who is a business acquaintance of the princes put an end to it after hearing what a Mardy arse wilder is
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I’m rarely ITK but my account is similar to yours, was Wilders biggest fan until a Baggie who knows stuff explained things.
 
Roygbiv said:
Wilder did similar with us every season. Not saying whether he would stay and not ruling out going to another club. I presume it's to put pressure on the board to give him what he wants. Obviously our terrible results meant the tactic wasn't as effective in the final season and that's probably why he's not here anymore.

Its not black and white with Wilder. He was absolutely incredible with us and is the main reason why we are a top end Championship side rather than a mid table L1 club. I wouldn't even blame him for the relegation from The Premier League. Our entire rise was built on sand and realistically it couldn't be sustained without spending much more than we did.

That said I think The Prince had every right to believe he had given Wilder enough to fashion a side that could bounce straight back. £120m is a huge amount at Championship level and we should have been able to build a squad with that sort of money that got straight back up with barely any new signings. Maybe Wilder would have done just that but he either walked out or was sacked for publically calling out the board about money. I get the feeling Wilder knew a lot of these players couldn't reach the heights of the promotion season and wanted to rebuild while The Prince likely thought we'd given enough money out in terms of fees and wages to expect promotion with little more investment.
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Great post. Completely agree.

Wilder got this team promoted well ahead of schedule. How he turned it round after the Southend home game, he reacted quickly and realised he had made a few bad buys, and quickly rectified the situation signing Ebanks-Landell and Lafferty, dropping Long and replacing with Simon Moore. To be fair, we signed a lot of players that summer - Fleck, O'Connell, Duffy, Clarke and the dependable Jake Wright. He showed astute management tactically and in terms of his decision-making, and to be fair with some backing from above to be able to make those changes so quickly after such a bad start. Or did he see a large portion of the sales of Che Adams and Calvert-Lewin? Who knows.

He came in and united a divided fanbase, he showed he could quickly make tactical and personnel changes. Most of his recruitment in the League One / Championship years was pretty solid. All managers are going to make a few bad buys here and there. He had a difficult window in January 2018 when he signed Lee Evans, Ricky Holmes, Ryan Leonard and James Wilson from Man U on loan, all would eventually be gone within a year. This January 2018 window seemed to be the precursor to Wilder's frustration at the end of that first season when he nearly left. To rely on a 32 year old Leon Clarke to be our top scorer, but Wilder knew then we couldn't sustain a longer term success at that level without bringing in real Championship quality and experience.

Taking out the magic of those first four seasons, what Wilder, Knill and the players achieved was no mean feat. We will look back on it in years to come and realise how much of an achievement it was when you now consider there was a battle for control going on behind the scenes, and we were up against some big spenders in the division - Villa for example. Perhaps this was beginning in 2018, I remember McCabe and Wilder going to some event (I think at University of Sheffield) and both talking quite openly about the situation in the boardroom. It sounded like Wilder was on McCabe's side, but he eventually seemed to distance himself. To be fair, I thought Wilder handled that situation very well. Despite his initial upset at what was going on, he then made sure the boardroom problems never got to pitch level, and and just focussed on the Football side.
 
Maidenhead said:
I can see why Wilder may appeal to them, but I can't for the life of me see how Burnley would appeal to Wilder.
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This is quite simple:
1. Parachute payments. Boro won't have them anymore, Burnley will.
2. Personal wealth. Obviously he won't leave for a pay cut.
 
Looking on the Boro forum the only thing that stands out is that they have a Director of Football which if we believe is true CW didn’t like the idea of
 
Bit surprised, maybe I shouldn't be, that Wilder didn't distance himself from the Burnley job, it may well be so he gets more transfer kitty promises at Boro, or similar, but at the same time it really irks fans when they don't rule out jobs. I can't see him leaving if honest but it was well known that Burnley wanted wilder if Dyche ever left. I still can't believe Burnley sacked Dyche, what a stupid decision that looks like from the outside. The owners were of course the ones we would have got had McCabe won, I think we're better off with the Prince!
 

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