Highbury_Blade
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I think we covered that scenario earlier in the thread
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Quick question for someone who knows better than me (Darren!) ...
Obviously, we have to stick with Ched for now as he is innocent until proven guilty. Unless Ched agreed to leave by mutual consent - which ain't gonna happen - we're 'stuck' with him.
What happens if he is found guilty though and banged up? I'm sure that we could sack him at that point but would SUFC be entitled to getting his wages back? For example, if he was mentally unfit to play, could we have an argument that he caused it himself and retrieve the 'lost' wages?
For the record, I hope he is not guilty. Football is not the point here. Whether Ched is a striker earning 20K a week or a labourer earning £150 a week, it is irrelevant and I hope the lad is innocent.
As HB said we have covered this.
Qucik answer is, yes we could sack him if found guilty but are unlikely to be able to get his past wages back.
Elsecar_Blade
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I missed that bit. Apologies.
broomhillblade
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Any chance of the club retaining part of his wages and putting it aside for him, to be handed over when/if he is proven innocent?
No. That would be breach of contract unless CE agreed to it (which he won't, of course).
broomhillblade
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He could sue the Club for it. They could drag it out for months... You know what lawyers are like.
He could probably get an injunction pretty quickly stopping United doing it, given that it would so obviously be unlawful. United would then have to pay his legal costs (you know how expensive lawyers are).
Not a good idea.
broomhillblade
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I'm beginning to think that Ched could be set up for life without kicking another ball in anger.
Hardly. How much are we paying him? £20K a week max maybe. Assuming a trial at the end of Jan and that he doesn't play before his trial, thats about 22 weeks = £480,000 of which he will lose about 60% in tax and NI - so he will take home £192,000 max in that period.
Very nice if you can get it, but not life changing. On the other hand that £480K could probably fund the wages of 4 decent third tier players....
broomhillblade
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Let's not forget the money he took off the club in wages last season, plus he probably got a hefty signing-on fee. It must add up to half a million, after tax. That would certainly be a life-changing sum for me.
Kenilworth
All he needs is time 😂😂😂. 🤦♂️
Instead the allegation is that he has been slapping his balls in anger.
What a prize two hat
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Quite so broomers but I am led to believe that you are so much older than the rest of us
Highbury_Blade
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Maybe, but it still wouldn't set you up for life at his age.
Well a 3 year contract at 20K per week would be £3,120,000 over 3 years, if he loses 60% of that in tax, he will take home £1,480,000 over that period. If he is found guilty in Jan and we don't have to pay the rest of his contract that knocks 1/6 off that sum leaving him with £1,233,000.
That would probably set most of us up for life but is pretty much par for the course for an average top two tier footballer these days.
Nick Jansky
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He won't lose anything like 60% in tax & NIC. He will pay tax at 50% on the top slice of his income, but NIC is only 2% as soon as you move into the 40% bracket.
You are right and have made me work this out properly now
Assuming he gets £1,040,000 a year he would have deducted:
INCOME TAX
£7476 tax free
£35,000 at 20% = £7000
£115,000 at 40% = £46,000
£847,524 at 50% = £423,762
Total IT payable: £476,762
NATIONAL INSURANCE
£5304 NI free
£37,180 at 12% = £4461.60
£997,516 at 2% = £19,950.32
Total NI: £24,411.92
Total deductions: £501,173.92
So he is netting (assuming £20K a week is correct) £538,826 a year and over £1.6 million over his 3 year contract.
broomhillblade
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How quick would the trial actually be though? Surely only a matter of days given the number of parties involved I wouldn't have expected many witnesses to give evidence.
Do we know if he's making any effort to keep himself fit? After all, Paddy it seems went to great extremes to stay sharp during his ban.
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Don't forget the bar bill!!
The trial would probably take 3-4 days I reckon.
Chapel Allerton
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If he's found guilty at his trial would his contract not be cancelled from the date of the offence? In other words would he have to pay some back?
Jim Chimmerney
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Apparently he's playing for the reserves this afty.
Nick Jansky
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I would have thought it would be cancelled from the date he is no longer available to play for us, i.e, the date he is imprisoned. As things stand, he can keep his side of the contract, even though his head is apparently not in the right place for him to be selected.
This the third time someone has asked this question. The answer is no.
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According to the official site it's only a "niggling ankle problem" that has stopped him playing thus far.
If there is any truth in that, maybe he will be back in first team contention soon, which whatever you think about CE must be a good thing, given our lack of back up up front.
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Kenilworth
All he needs is time 😂😂😂. 🤦♂️
Torrix1889
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Ignoring the rape charge if Evans gets his head down he could score an absolute shed-load in this division......
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Hang on a minute .... Is that Slew in the background? ;-)
Indeed Torrix owd mucker. We're short of strikers, so why not use him. If Wilson has got Doyle, Collins, Cressy etc playing out of their skin, then why can he not Ched. Fuck me we are paying him enough. Why not play him? The guy has ability and with some of the comical defending we have seen in this division, could score goals. I trust Wilson to get the best out of him. I'll be interested to see how he gets on today.
Kenilworth
All he needs is time 😂😂😂. 🤦♂️
That'll be this then I guess?
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