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Bert said:
Bert can't remember.

How many times did Buckley play for us, it can't have been many?
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Debut in the 1-1 draw at Arsenal in Jan 1968. Played in next 5 games (including cup win at Watford) then played once more that season at Leicester in March (TC was absent due to getting married). In 1968-69 played in 4 league games plus 1 sub, scoring 2 goals (at Preston and a pen at home to Bolton). 4 sub appearances in 1969/70 season (just realised that I have seen him twice and ironically at home to Bolton!). His last was the sub appearance at Bolton in 1971.
 
Silent Blade said:
Debut in the 1-1 draw at Arsenal in Jan 1968. Played in next 5 games (including cup win at Watford) then played once more that season at Leicester in March (TC was absent due to getting married). In 1968-69 played in 4 league games plus 1 sub, scoring 2 goals (at Preston and a pen at home to Bolton). 4 sub appearances in 1969/70 season (just realised that I have seen him twice and ironically at home to Bolton!). His last was the sub appearance at Bolton in 1971.
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was at that watford fa cup 3rd round game 4k blades given watfords end for the day lol
 
Silent Blade said:
Just looked at footage of Bolton v Newcastle Cup match in 1976, I am now quite sure that Tudor scored at the Railway Embankment End. I hadnt really noticed the Railway line in my two visits to Burnden Park
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I have a vague recollection of a huge supermarket appearing in later years (probably not all that long before they moved grounds). From memory it seemed to really intrude into one corner of the ground. Have you any idea which end/side it was built on? Or is that something I have dreamed up!
 
oldblade said:
I have a vague recollection of a huge supermarket appearing in later years (probably not all that long before they moved grounds). From memory it seemed to really intrude into one corner of the ground. Have you any idea which end/side it was built on? Or is that something I have dreamed up!
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oldblade said:
I never actually went to the ground at that time, but remember seeing it whenever Bolton were on match of the day.

That looks like it is at the railway end. If anyone decided to stand on the terracing in the top corner next to the store they would have only been able to see half the pitch!
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Bert seems to remember that the pitch was slightly built up and dropped away to the running track.
Is his memory correct?
 
Sheffield Wednesday 2 - 1 Orient attendance 11,149 ... surely that cannot be the correct crowd figure, the massive would never get a crowd that low ;)

I've only been twice to Bolton's old ground, 83/84 and 88/89, both promotion seasons and both games ended in defeats, ditto 70/71. Thinking about it we lost to them at the Reebok on the opening day of the season in 16/17 and we were promoted that season too!!!
 
Bert said:
This photo tells Bert that he was on the Great Lever Terrace.

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The thing that struck me most about Burnden Park when I went there for the ‘56 FA cup match was the channel or ditch which ran the full length of the pitch on both sides of the ground and close to the touch lines .

It was about 3ft. Wide and roughly the same depth and lined bottom and sides with thick stone slabs . I remember thinking before kick off how potentially dangerous it looked and sure enough , early in the game one of their players (Tommy Banks I think) went for a tackle ,missed both ball and man , went into it and had to have treatment .

Later in the game , Colin Grainger who came in for some harsh treatment that day , was bundled into it but fortunately was ok .

As for the game itself , the result was a fine 2-1 Blades victory with outstanding performances from Grainger , Joe Shaw (up against the great Nat Lofthouse ) and our goalie who I think was Hodgy but could have been Burgin .

Happy days .
 
SUFC Handsworth said:
Sheffield Wednesday 2 - 1 Orient attendance 11,149 ... surely that cannot be the correct crowd figure, the massive would never get a crowd that low ;)

I've only been twice to Bolton's old ground, 83/84 and 88/89, both promotion seasons and both games ended in defeats, ditto 70/71. Thinking about it we lost to them at the Reebok on the opening day of the season in 16/17 and we were promoted that season too!!!
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oh they got plenty like that in the 70s never seem to remember em though do they
 
SUFC Handsworth said:
Weren't their crowds down to 6 or 7k by the mid 70s, truly massive club ... I'm sure they've rewritten history many times over since then lol
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Their low spot came towards the end of 1974-5.

The attendances I mentioned in my last post were as follows:

15 March v Orient 8,492.
29 March v Millwall 8,171.
31 March v Southampton 8,505.
8 April v Norwich 7,483.
19 April v Oxford 7,444.


Edit. Tell a lie. Just been looking at 1975-6 and things got even worse. They had 9 home attendances below 9,000, of which one was below 7,000. That was against Colchester when they got 6,905.
 
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HodgysBrokenThumb said:
That’s the one. Read the final paragraph of the report by a neutral journalist below. My nightmare is the photo bottom left - I was standing on the front of the Kop, must have been right behind the cameraman. Me and Hodgy both knew that was in at the same time. Horrible. Wednesday played anti-football that day, and we were the lower league team.
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In the Mail today it states the journalist above Don Hardisty has died aged 90. I wonder if he was any relation to Tony Hardisty who was the Wednesday reporter for The Star in the 60s
 
23/1/1971

Friendly match

Chesterfield 1 (Fenoughty) Blades 0

Attendance 10,898!

With the day reserved for FA Cup 4th round ties, the Blades were already out of the competition so they quickly arranged a friendly match at Saltergate as Chesterfield's opponents in the 3rd division scheduled for that day, Rochdale, were playing against Colchester in the FA Cup.

I was stood in the Compton Street terrace and I was surprised to see Fenoughty's 25 yard shot beating Hodgy at the Cross Street end in the 1st minute. I do not remember much about the rest of the game and after seeing us lose to lowly opposition 3 times in the last 4 games, I probably feared the worst about our promotion chances. We kept losing away games and we did lose two away games in the previous month too. My other memory of that day is seeing Mike Trebilcock on MOTD scoring a last minute equaliser in the cup at home to Arsenal and I was thinking that it could have been us playing against Arsenal instead of Chesterfield.

Little did we know that it was to be the last time Hodgy and Tudor playing for us. In the next few days there were going to be big news for both Sheffield clubs. Wendy had sacked Danny Williams after their 4-0 defeat at Cardiff on 9th January. Do you remember who took temporary charge when Wendy beat Orient on the 16th?- my Wendy workmate who is quite good in SWFC history couldnt remember too.


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Report from Nottingham Football Post. Thanks to a Chesterfield fan who was my line manager at work and his friend who is a historian.

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ancientblade said:
was at that watford fa cup 3rd round game 4k blades given watfords end for the day lol
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I also went with a couple of mates from Jordo. First time on a football special, an experience in itself. Also my only recollection of Bob Widdowson, playing, although there must have been more times.
Always wondered why the home fans weren’t on the covered end, thanks for the answer.
 
Summers & Pace said:
I also went with a couple of mates from Jordo. First time on a football special, an experience in itself. Also my only recollection of Bob Widdowson, playing, although there must have been more times.
Always wondered why the home fans weren’t on the covered end, thanks for the answer.
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yeah was a good turnout that day but that was when you never missed an fa cup game even if you missed one or two league games we were very unlucky in the quarter final that season anall at elland road totally outplayed leeds that day and hit post 3 times and had one kicked off line
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
The thing that struck me most about Burnden Park when I went there for the ‘56 FA cup match was the channel or ditch which ran the full length of the pitch on both sides of the ground and close to the touch lines .

It was about 3ft. Wide and roughly the same depth and lined bottom and sides with thick stone slabs . I remember thinking before kick off how potentially dangerous it looked and sure enough , early in the game one of their players (Tommy Banks I think) went for a tackle ,missed both ball and man , went into it and had to have treatment .

Later in the game , Colin Grainger who came in for some harsh treatment that day , was bundled into it but fortunately was ok .

As for the game itself , the result was a fine 2-1 Blades victory with outstanding performances from Grainger , Joe Shaw (up against the great Nat Lofthouse ) and our goalie who I think was Hodgy but could have been Burgin .

Happy days .
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"Age shall not weary them".
Like it does we. I know the feeling well.
Jan 28 1956 4rd FAC A V Bolton Wanderers W 1-2 Wragg-2 (1pen) Team

Burgin
Coldwell Mason
Hoyland Howard Johnson Iley
Ringstead Wragg Waldock Howitt Grainger

Nat never got a kick. Howard Johnson aka "Tank" where we stood on't terrace
I'd put smiley emojes in to show I come in peace, but none available, Tech. Dept. help required here.
 
25/1/1971

As I said in my previous post that there was big news for both clubs in the next few days. On 25/1/1971 Wendy announced that they had appointed Derek Dooley to be their new manager. I first got to know about Derek when my dad spotted him in the John Street directors box after we had beaten L**ds in the League Cup four months earlier and told me to get his autograph. Derek was happy to sign my programme despite that I had no idea who he was. Coming back to my dad, he explained to me that Derek scored a lot of goals for Wendy but he lost his leg and that ended his playing days. Fast forward 4 months later on the day after Derek became Wendy's new manager, a teacher (Ted Kent who was a well known Sheffield hockey player) at my school (Maud Maxfield) asked me over to his classroom to have a chat about football. He wanted to talk about Derek to me. He explained to me that Derek had broken his leg after clashing with Preston's keeper George Thompson at Deepdale in 1953 and then the doctors at Preston hospital decided to amputate his left leg.

The big news at Bramall Lane later that week will be revealed in my next post...

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27/1/1971

I still clearly remember that at around 6pm on that Wednesday evening, out of boredom I got into the toybox in darkness in the living room (well there wasnt much to do at home in the evening when it is dark!). Unexpectedly my mum opened the lid as she wanted to tell me something. She had heard from the Calendar News that United had signed Trevor Hockey from Birmingham. He was a player I had heard of but I wasnt sure what he looked like or what position he plays in (I did see him when we won with a Tudor goal at St Andrews on 10/10/1970 but I hadnt really noticed him). It was the first time we had signed a player since we signed John Barnwell and Bill Dearden in April 1970. When my dad had got home from work the first thing I did was to tell him that we had signed Trevor Hockey from Birmingham. He seemed positive but I dont think he really remembered what Hockey looked like.

In the next morning on his way to work my dad picked up the Daily Express from the local newsagent and decided to buy the Morning Telegraph too only because he wanted to see the report of us signing Hockey but he got a shock when he found news that would disappoint me so he decided to return home to wake me up with the Morning Telegraph. I still remember the shock and confusion when I saw the big photo (see below) on the back page. There were 5 people in the photo so my dad left me to work out what had happened. There was Dick Wragg (our chairman), John Hope, David Ford, John Tudor and Joe Harvey (Newcastle manager). I got horrified when I had slowly began to realise that John Tudor, one of my favourite players and someone I often spoke to outside the John Street players entrance after matches, had left us to join Newcastle! I paid little attention to John Hope and David Ford (both from Newcastle- I knew about Ford and that he scored for Wendy in the 1966 FA Cup final but not heard of Hope) who had signed for us in the exchange deal. My dad wasnt planning on going to Oxford for our next match in two days time but he then said "We will go to Oxford now" hoping that I would calm down but I then said "Look at John in the photo looking happy to leave us for Newcastle!". He had to tell me that as a professional footballer it would be daft for him to turn down a chance to play in the 1st division again and play under a manager who rates him. My dad then wondered if the signing of keeper John Hope meant that he is to replace Hodgy (he was a big fan of Hodgy but I noticed that he showed disappointment in him more often when he made mistakes and letting in soft goals during the season) straight away or is seen as a future 1st teamer putting pressure on Hodgy to play better despite that we have a reserve keeper in Graeme Crawford.

Ted Kent, a teacher at my school, Maud Maxfield, asked me over to his classroom to have a chat about our three signings and the sale of John Tudor. He talked more about John Hope and he thought that he would be a replacement for Hodgy in the future but not in two days time or in the near future.

I have never seen a photo of Hockey signing for us (transfer fee was £40,000) and am not sure if he was the first signing on that Wednesday or was the last. Maybe on that evening my mum had missed Calendar News announcement of our signings from Newcastle with Tudor going the other way and she just had caught Hockey's name at the end?

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Silent Blade said:
27/1/1971

I still clearly remember that at around 6pm on that Wednesday evening, out of boredom I got into the toybox in darkness in the living room (well there wasnt much to do at home in the evening when it is dark!). Unexpectedly my mum opened the lid as she wanted to tell me something. She had heard from the Calendar News that United had signed Trevor Hockey from Birmingham. He was a player I had heard of but I wasnt sure what he looked like or what position he plays in (I did see him when we won with a Tudor goal at St Andrews on 10/10/1970 but I hadnt really noticed him). It was the first time we had signed a player since we signed John Barnwell and Bill Dearden in April 1970. When my dad had got home from work the first thing I did was to tell him that we had signed Trevor Hockey from Birmingham. He seemed positive but I dont think he really remembered what Hockey looked like.

In the next morning on his way to work my dad picked up the Daily Express from the local newsagent and decided to buy the Morning Telegraph too only because he wanted to see the report of us signing Hockey but he got a shock when he found news that would disappoint me so he decided to return home to wake me up with the Morning Telegraph. I still remember the shock and confusion when I saw the big photo (see below) on the back page. There were 5 people in the photo so my dad left me to work out what had happened. There was Dick Wragg (our chairman), John Hope, David Ford, John Tudor and Joe Harvey (Newcastle manager). I got horrified when I had slowly began to realise that John Tudor, one of my favourite players and someone I often spoke to outside the John Street players entrance after matches, had left us to join Newcastle! I paid little attention to John Hope and David Ford (both from Newcastle- I knew about Ford and that he scored for Wendy in the 1966 FA Cup final but not heard of Hope) who had signed for us in the exchange deal. My dad wasnt planning on going to Oxford for our next match in two days time but he then said "We will go to Oxford now" hoping that I would calm down but I then said "Look at John in the photo looking happy to leave us for Newcastle!". He had to tell me that as a professional footballer it would be daft for him to turn down a chance to play in the 1st division again and play under a manager who rates him. My dad then wondered if the signing of keeper John Hope meant that he is to replace Hodgy (he was a big fan of Hodgy but I noticed that he showed disappointment in him more often when he made mistakes and letting in soft goals during the season) straight away or is seen as a future 1st teamer putting pressure on Hodgy to play better despite that we have a reserve keeper in Graeme Crawford.

Ted Kent, a teacher at my school, Maud Maxfield, asked me over to his classroom to have a chat about our three signings and the sale of John Tudor. He talked more about John Hope and he thought that he would be a replacement for Hodgy in the future but not in two days time or in the near future.

I have never seen a photo of Hockey signing for us (transfer fee was £40,000) and am not sure if he was the first signing on that Wednesday or was the last. Maybe on that evening my mum had missed Calendar News announcement of our signings from Newcastle with Tudor going the other way and she just had caught Hockey's name at the end?

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That was the day we clinched promotion.
 
Silent Blade said:
23/1/1971

Friendly match

Chesterfield 1 (Fenoughty) Blades 0

Attendance 10,898!

With the day reserved for FA Cup 4th round ties, the Blades were already out of the competition so they quickly arranged a friendly match at Saltergate as Chesterfield's opponents in the 3rd division scheduled for that day, Rochdale, were playing against Colchester in the FA Cup.

I was stood in the Compton Street terrace and I was surprised to see Fenoughty's 25 yard shot beating Hodgy at the Cross Street end in the 1st minute. I do not remember much about the rest of the game and after seeing us lose to lowly opposition 3 times in the last 4 games, I probably feared the worst about our promotion chances. We kept losing away games and we did lose two away games in the previous month too. My other memory of that day is seeing Mike Trebilcock on MOTD scoring a last minute equaliser in the cup at home to Arsenal and I was thinking that it could have been us playing against Arsenal instead of Chesterfield.

Little did we know that it was to be the last time Hodgy and Tudor playing for us. In the next few days there were going to be big news for both Sheffield clubs. Wendy had sacked Danny Williams after their 4-0 defeat at Cardiff on 9th January. Do you remember who took temporary charge when Wendy beat Orient on the 16th?- my Wendy workmate who is quite good in SWFC history couldnt remember too.


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Report from Nottingham Football Post. Thanks to a Chesterfield fan who was my line manager at work and his friend who is a historian.

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Oh, look, we didn’t name a substitute in that game. Chesterfield did.
Maybe, CW isn’t just a mardy arse but simply carrying on a long and highly thought out tradition.
 
ancientblade said:
signing hope and hockey definetly clinched it for us imo 3 great months of memories coming up on this and the 60 years ago threads
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I don’t know about Silent Blade , but I am beginning to feel the pressure of expectations weighing on me to perform up to standard. We know that anyone who underperforms is the target of abuse on here! My next game is an away match I didn’t go to, and which does not figure in the scrapbook. I am feeling nervous already...
... but at least both seasons end well😁
 
Silent Blade said:
27/1/1971

I still clearly remember that at around 6pm on that Wednesday evening, out of boredom I got into the toybox in darkness in the living room (well there wasnt much to do at home in the evening when it is dark!). Unexpectedly my mum opened the lid as she wanted to tell me something. She had heard from the Calendar News that United had signed Trevor Hockey from Birmingham. He was a player I had heard of but I wasnt sure what he looked like or what position he plays in (I did see him when we won with a Tudor goal at St Andrews on 10/10/1970 but I hadnt really noticed him). It was the first time we had signed a player since we signed John Barnwell and Bill Dearden in April 1970. When my dad had got home from work the first thing I did was to tell him that we had signed Trevor Hockey from Birmingham. He seemed positive but I dont think he really remembered what Hockey looked like.

In the next morning on his way to work my dad picked up the Daily Express from the local newsagent and decided to buy the Morning Telegraph too only because he wanted to see the report of us signing Hockey but he got a shock when he found news that would disappoint me so he decided to return home to wake me up with the Morning Telegraph. I still remember the shock and confusion when I saw the big photo (see below) on the back page. There were 5 people in the photo so my dad left me to work out what had happened. There was Dick Wragg (our chairman), John Hope, David Ford, John Tudor and Joe Harvey (Newcastle manager). I got horrified when I had slowly began to realise that John Tudor, one of my favourite players and someone I often spoke to outside the John Street players entrance after matches, had left us to join Newcastle! I paid little attention to John Hope and David Ford (both from Newcastle- I knew about Ford and that he scored for Wendy in the 1966 FA Cup final but not heard of Hope) who had signed for us in the exchange deal. My dad wasnt planning on going to Oxford for our next match in two days time but he then said "We will go to Oxford now" hoping that I would calm down but I then said "Look at John in the photo looking happy to leave us for Newcastle!". He had to tell me that as a professional footballer it would be daft for him to turn down a chance to play in the 1st division again and play under a manager who rates him. My dad then wondered if the signing of keeper John Hope meant that he is to replace Hodgy (he was a big fan of Hodgy but I noticed that he showed disappointment in him more often when he made mistakes and letting in soft goals during the season) straight away or is seen as a future 1st teamer putting pressure on Hodgy to play better despite that we have a reserve keeper in Graeme Crawford.

Ted Kent, a teacher at my school, Maud Maxfield, asked me over to his classroom to have a chat about our three signings and the sale of John Tudor. He talked more about John Hope and he thought that he would be a replacement for Hodgy in the future but not in two days time or in the near future.

I have never seen a photo of Hockey signing for us (transfer fee was £40,000) and am not sure if he was the first signing on that Wednesday or was the last. Maybe on that evening my mum had missed Calendar News announcement of our signings from Newcastle with Tudor going the other way and she just had caught Hockey's name at the end?

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Hodgy was my hero from the first match I ever attended.......and when his career came to an end I was devastated. Somehow it didn't seem right that 'the great man' as I called him was not in goal. I missed his white collar poking out from under his green Jersey!
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
I don’t know about Silent Blade , but I am beginning to feel the pressure of expectations weighing on me to perform up to standard. We know that anyone who underperforms is the target of abuse on here! My next game is an away match I didn’t go to, and which does not figure in the scrapbook. I am feeling nervous already...
... but at least both seasons end well😁
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yeah the pressure is building on silent hodgy and bert on both threads hope and hockeys debut next game was there at the manor ground
 

MoscowBlade said:
Hodgy was my hero from the first match I ever attended.......and when his career came to an end I was devastated. Somehow it didn't seem right that 'the great man' as I called him was not in goal. I missed his white collar poking out from under his green Jersey!
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I’m with you all the way on this. And looking back, I feel lucky to have had as a childhood hero someone who throughout his life seems to have continued to be a good human-being. Made the most of his considerable talent, and always treated others well. A good role-model for any walk of life. It was unfortunate for me that I had no goalkeeping talent and am a miserable old git...
 
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