Financial fair play Farce

[munksyb]

If a club has Loadsa money, and look to have broken the FFP Rules

Hide it as long as you can

Employ expensive legal Eagles to argue every point & defer the case for as long as you can , and make the case blured ( wrapped up in legalease )

Go beyond the statute of limitations

Then all you get is a big fine - ( taht won't affect you 'cause you have loadsa money

If you are a club without infinate finances and break the rules, ( due to your own bad mangement) you find it difficult to pay wages etc., and therefore can't hide the breaking of rules, you:-
Get deducted points and possibly relegated
Get fined , when you already can't pay wages etc.
possibly go into administration

How does this level the playing feild

What an absolute joke

 

[Red Wing Blade]

Mourinho had a good argument about this. If Man City have been cleared of wrong doing then why are they paying the fine? If they haven't broken the rules then there is no fine to pay as they shouldn't be punished. If they're being fined because they've broken the rules, then they shouldn't have been cleared and should be banned from Europe as punishment.

Once more the powers that be make an absolute shambles when dealing with teams breaking the rules.

Look at Derby County, they are facing a potential points deduction for the sale of their stadium, despite the fact that the proposed sale was sent to the FA with all details provided and the FA signed off on it, agreeing that it was within the rules.

FFP will always be exploited. Forest are a classic example. Their owner also owns Olympiacos. They keep selling academy prospects to Olympiacos for millions each, bankrolling their summer spending within FFP rules, then Olympiacos later cancel the players contracts and Forest get their player back on a free transfer. It's dodgy as hell, but not against the rules. This is how they came out of a summer transfer embargo and went on to spend millions over the next couple of seasons whilst recording profit in their transfer activity.

 

[Snowflake]

Mourinho had a good argument about this. If Man City have been cleared of wrong doing then why are they paying the fine? If they haven't broken the rules then there is no fine to pay as they shouldn't be punished. If they're being fined because they've broken the rules, then they shouldn't have been cleared and should be banned from Europe as punishment.

Once more the powers that be make an absolute shambles when dealing with teams breaking the rules.

Look at Derby County, they are facing a potential points deduction for the sale of their stadium, despite the fact that the proposed sale was sent to the FA with all details provided and the FA signed off on it, agreeing that it was within the rules.

FFP will always be exploited. Forest are a classic example. Their owner also owns Olympiacos. They keep selling academy prospects to Olympiacos for millions each, bankrolling their summer spending within FFP rules, then Olympiacos later cancel the players contracts and Forest get their player back on a free transfer. It's dodgy as hell, but not against the rules. This is how they came out of a summer transfer embargo and went on to spend millions over the next couple of seasons whilst recording profit in their transfer activity.

Is not the fine because they failed to cooperate rather than broke any rules ?

 

[Yewsman]

Is not the fine because they failed to cooperate rather than broke any rules ?

Yes it is but that is also breaking a rule which says they should cooperate. Bascically the decision gives licence to clubs to give 2 fingers to the authorities, try and hide all their wrong doings and all the evidence there might be a against them as they know that the worst they will get bis a small (in relative terms) fine. It's crazy but that's football for you.

 

[bromtom]

The fine is for resisting arrest. If you were accused of mugging someone but you were sat on the shitter while the attack happened, and you resisted when the coppers came, it doesn't mean you did mug someone.

If someone accused me of something and tried to drag my reputation through the mud, I'd probably tell them to coco too.

Obviously a ban would have been good for us, but if the CAS says there's inconclusive evidence, there probably is.

 

[JOEYDEE]

Can't see why these rules were brought in in the first place
It's pure business sense..if shareholders want to invest in their company then they should be allowed to do so.
The money they spend on players only stops in football anyway, albeit a lot goes to foreign clubs.
It doesn't guarantee success anyway,look at Liverpool, hardly spent anything last couple of seasons,look how they've done.

 

[Bladedog]

Football is the most corrupt sport going..look at FIFA.

 

[Snowflake]

Yes it is but that is also breaking a rule which says they should cooperate. Bascically the decision gives licence to clubs to give 2 fingers to the authorities, try and hide all their wrong doings and all the evidence there might be a against them as they know that the worst they will get bis a small (in relative terms) fine. It's crazy but that's football for you.

...but if they hid evidence from CAS and did not cooperate with them then I guess they would be stuffed.
That’s why you pay for good lawyers.

 

[PokerBlade]

Yes it is but that is also breaking a rule which says they should cooperate. Bascically the decision gives licence to clubs to give 2 fingers to the authorities, try and hide all their wrong doings and all the evidence there might be a against them as they know that the worst they will get bis a small (in relative terms) fine. It's crazy but that's football for you.

£10m doesn't seem unreasonable for failing to co-operate with the investigation though, but I guess that's down to taste.

The problem is that the footballing powers made a judgement on something in such a way that they must have known it was never going to stand. City may well have been guilty but CAS didn't even rule on half of what they'd been charged with because the rules they'd been charged under said it was too late.

I'm not saying it make it okay if Man City got away with something but you really have to look at these things from a top down perspective if you actually want any improvements.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Football is the most corrupt sport going..look at FIFA.

Cycling.

 

[diplomat]

Mourinho had a good argument about this. If Man City have been cleared of wrong doing then why are they paying the fine? If they haven't broken the rules then there is no fine to pay as they shouldn't be punished. If they're being fined because they've broken the rules, then they shouldn't have been cleared and should be banned from Europe as punishment.

Once more the powers that be make an absolute shambles when dealing with teams breaking the rules.

Look at Derby County, they are facing a potential points deduction for the sale of their stadium, despite the fact that the proposed sale was sent to the FA with all details provided and the FA signed off on it, agreeing that it was within the rules.

FFP will always be exploited. Forest are a classic example. Their owner also owns Olympiacos. They keep selling academy prospects to Olympiacos for millions each, bankrolling their summer spending within FFP rules, then Olympiacos later cancel the players contracts and Forest get their player back on a free transfer. It's dodgy as hell, but not against the rules. This is how they came out of a summer transfer embargo and went on to spend millions over the next couple of seasons whilst recording profit in their transfer activity.

Do they? Who’ve they done this with? That seems quite an obvious ruse to rumble if they are.

 

[Dutch Blade]

FFP will always be exploited. Forest are a classic example. Their owner also owns Olympiacos. They keep selling academy prospects to Olympiacos for millions each, bankrolling their summer spending within FFP rules, then Olympiacos later cancel the players contracts and Forest get their player back on a free transfer. It's dodgy as hell, but not against the rules. This is how they came out of a summer transfer embargo and went on to spend millions over the next couple of seasons whilst recording profit in their transfer activity.

Is this really a thing? Like, how many transfers are we talking about? I googled it, but can't really find a lot about it?

 

[essexblade73]

Cycling.

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Mate giving the world cup to Qatar trumps anything that has happened in Cycling put together

 

[YES Blade]

FFP is a load of bollocks, all it does is protect the status quo. How are Man City suppose to go from a mid table table to winning titles and beating Real Madrid away in the knockout stages of the Champions League without spending vast sums of money on players?

If Sheikh Mansour was running the club badly and putting the future of the club at risk then FFP might make sense but clearly he’s been the best thing to happen to them.