Forget about the tekover ....

[ThatJa]

Hear me out a bit...

If we can Sell Souza for 10-15m (lets face it, he's not that good and I don't think CH suits him at all), Osula for the same 10-15m + 20% of any future fee should be do well (25+ games not a single senior goal, if it meant we could get some bodies in I'm all for it) - Then we may be able to offload Coulibaly which may net us a bit of money on top

Thats 20m minimum, potentially 30m lets just go half way and say we make 25m off both. We could quite easily bring in 5 players with the sales money whilst also putting some to the shortfall from relegation.

Cooper - 3m
Gilchrist - Loan
Souttar - Loan
Hoever - Loan
Cannon - Loan
Dozzell - Free
A Striker - 5-7m

Possibly put some options to buy in Jan/End of season on the loans

That gives us 7 potential players for two outgoings, and overall I would class us as being stronger overall. The good thing about the Championship is, you don't just need a squad full of world beaters, you need consistency and depth aswell and this business would tick all the boxes.

Then once the takeover goes through (if it does) we can look in January and go out and pay for some very strong additions (if it is believed the board want to invest)

 

[Geordie Blade]

Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that. Offloading two or three players and bringing in seven will increase wages substantially. Nowadays, wages are more important to balance than transfer fees.

 

[ThatJa]

Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that. Offloading two or three players and bringing in seven will increase wages substantially. Nowadays, wages are more important to balance than transfer fees.

Yeah I get that, but we have already significantly lowered our wage bill from last season. 17 players have gone, and we have reduced it further by having relegation wage drops in contracts of players currently at the club. I can't see how we wouldn't be able to pay wages for 7 players. Especially when 17 players wages are gone off the wage bill already.

For example;

Norwood 20k
McBurnie 30k
Holgate 40k
Foderingham 15k

That's already a significant saving, i don't think those 7 players I mentioned combined would total the wages of the 4 above.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Yeah I get that, but we have already significantly lowered our wage bill from last season. 17 players have gone, and we have reduced it further by having relegation wage drops in contracts of players currently at the club. I can't see how we wouldn't be able to pay wages for 7 players. Especially when 17 players wages are gone off the wage bill already.

For example;

Norwood 20k
McBurnie 30k
Holgate 40k
Foderingham 15k

That's already a significant saving, i don't think those 7 players I mentioned combined would total the wages of the 4 above.

But income has also dropped from last season, so we can’t replace wages with like-for-like.

 

[ThatJa]

But income has also dropped from last season, so we can’t replace wages with like-for-like.

We don't need to replace wages like for like, those 7 players will not command anywhere near what we were paying for the 17 that are no longer at the club.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Will Osula valued at 10-15 mil?

Okay!?!

 

[ThatJa]

Will Osula valued at 10-15 mil?

Okay!?!

Rumours suggest so

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Unfortunately we’ve also got factor in potential departures we don’t want to leave….The transfer window isn’t even warm yet…Tin hats on Blades.

 

[247Blade]

But income has also dropped from last season, so we can’t replace wages with like-for-like.

That's why they want us to buy more in the shop and concessions.... Sadly not going to happen from me.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Unfortunately we’ve also got factor in potential departures we don’t want to leave….The transfer window isn’t even warm yet…Tin hats on Blades.

i really do see hamer leaving in the last week of the window from a desperate prem side needing a midfielder

 

[CarlMcBlade]

…we can build all the potential team formations we like, but clubs like us are always vulnerable to last minute knee trembling offers for players like Hamer and Blaster.

 

[Geordie Blade]

We don't need to replace wages like for like, those 7 players will not command anywhere near what we were paying for the 17 that are no longer at the club.

Your original post implied that it was a like-for-like cost. Did you also factor in the costs of the signings we’ve already made? We need to save a VAST amount of money compared with last year!

 

[SRA76]

But income has also dropped from last season, so we can’t replace wages with like-for-like.

Incomes dropped just a little bit lol

 

[ThatJa]

Your original post implied that it was a like-for-like cost. Did you also factor in the costs of the signings we’ve already made? We need to save a VAST amount of money compared with last year!

We sold Bogle and Traore, which allowed us to complete those deals.

 

[Blade58]

Hear me out a bit...

If we can Sell Souza for 10-15m (lets face it, he's not that good and I don't think CH suits him at all), Osula for the same 10-15m + 20% of any future fee should be do well (25+ games not a single senior goal, if it meant we could get some bodies in I'm all for it) - Then we may be able to offload Coulibaly which may net us a bit of money on top

Thats 20m minimum, potentially 30m lets just go half way and say we make 25m off both. We could quite easily bring in 5 players with the sales money whilst also putting some to the shortfall from relegation.

Cooper - 3m
Gilchrist - Loan
Souttar - Loan
Hoever - Loan
Cannon - Loan
Dozzell - Free
A Striker - 5-7m

Possibly put some options to buy in Jan/End of season on the loans

That gives us 7 potential players for two outgoings, and overall I would class us as being stronger overall. The good thing about the Championship is, you don't just need a squad full of world beaters, you need consistency and depth aswell and this business would tick all the boxes.

Then once the takeover goes through (if it does) we can look in January and go out and pay for some very strong additions (if it is believed the board want to invest)

Unfortunately you can only sell if someone wants to buy. If prospective buyers have watched the same matches we have, I’m not sure there’ll be too many takers for at least a couple of our lot?

 

[Geordie Blade]

We sold Bogle and Traore, which allowed us to complete those deals.

Sounds like you have it all figured out!

Whereas back in the real world, it’s a lot more complicated than that. Selling a player for £5m doesn’t mean you can buy a player for £5m and it’s even. Agents’ fees, signing on fees, wages, sell-on clauses and a dozen other things have to be taken into account (before we even start factoring the drop in income).

 

[Geordie Blade]

Edit: Double post.

 

[Sky Blues]

You're already going to struggle at the start of the season as your players won't know how their team mates prefer to play and will need to learn the system your manager wants to play.

So add to this selling remaining players that could help other players settle in and a quarter of the season will be gone before they are comfortable with each other?

My team has had a crap start to most seasons because of the same reasons. We were even debating in January if our two main strikers could reach 20 between them. They ended up with 19 each. Ipswich started last season with a settled League 1 promotion side and continued in the Championship to get automatic promotion.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Hear me out a bit...

If we can Sell Souza for 10-15m (lets face it, he's not that good and I don't think CH suits him at all), Osula for the same 10-15m + 20% of any future fee should be do well (25+ games not a single senior goal, if it meant we could get some bodies in I'm all for it) - Then we may be able to offload Coulibaly which may net us a bit of money on top

Thats 20m minimum, potentially 30m lets just go half way and say we make 25m off both. We could quite easily bring in 5 players with the sales money whilst also putting some to the shortfall from relegation.

Cooper - 3m
Gilchrist - Loan
Souttar - Loan
Hoever - Loan
Cannon - Loan
Dozzell - Free
A Striker - 5-7m

Possibly put some options to buy in Jan/End of season on the loans

That gives us 7 potential players for two outgoings, and overall I would class us as being stronger overall. The good thing about the Championship is, you don't just need a squad full of world beaters, you need consistency and depth aswell and this business would tick all the boxes.

Then once the takeover goes through (if it does) we can look in January and go out and pay for some very strong additions (if it is believed the board want to invest)

Please don't tell me you spent more than 2 minutes on that, it falls down at first hurdle Souza "let's face it he's not that good".
You would have been better spending your time at an Owl sanctuary or a local Folly or even Longstanton spice museum.

 

[BigBed]

Proof that mixing sunshine and 3 hammers, just isn't a good idea.

 

[JJBlade]

Will Osula valued at 10-15 mil?

Okay!?!

A bit like Kyle Walker, we were so unbelievably shocked to receive about £8 million that we had to chuck Kyle Naughton in as well, because playing for us they obviously had to be worth fuck all.

 

[steve26272]

Hear me out a bit...

If we can Sell Souza for 10-15m (lets face it, he's not that good and I don't think CH suits him at all), Osula for the same 10-15m + 20% of any future fee should be do well (25+ games not a single senior goal, if it meant we could get some bodies in I'm all for it) - Then we may be able to offload Coulibaly which may net us a bit of money on top

Thats 20m minimum, potentially 30m lets just go half way and say we make 25m off both. We could quite easily bring in 5 players with the sales money whilst also putting some to the shortfall from relegation.

Cooper - 3m
Gilchrist - Loan
Souttar - Loan
Hoever - Loan
Cannon - Loan
Dozzell - Free
A Striker - 5-7m

Possibly put some options to buy in Jan/End of season on the loans

That gives us 7 potential players for two outgoings, and overall I would class us as being stronger overall. The good thing about the Championship is, you don't just need a squad full of world beaters, you need consistency and depth aswell and this business would tick all the boxes.

Then once the takeover goes through (if it does) we can look in January and go out and pay for some very strong additions (if it is believed the board want to invest)

Don’t disagree with your thoughts, but the problem with it is we’re selling 2 players and buying 2 players - the rest are loans which will help out this season, but we’re just kicking the can down the road

I’d prefer to invest in players like Burrows and accept this is a season of consolidation then go for it in 12 months with a young and settled side

If we do go down your road we’d have some team mind

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

A bit like Kyle Walker, we were so unbelievably shocked to receive about £8 million that we had to chuck Kyle Naughton in as well, because playing for us they obviously had to be worth fuck all.

Actually, that was vice versa. Spurs wanted Naughton and we threw Walker into the deal. Naughton was £6mil, Walker was £2mil.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

I've already forgotten about the takeover

 

[tincan]

Hear me out a bit...

If we can Sell Souza for 10-15m (lets face it, he's not that good and I don't think CH suits him at all), Osula for the same 10-15m + 20% of any future fee should be do well (25+ games not a single senior goal, if it meant we could get some bodies in I'm all for it) - Then we may be able to offload Coulibaly which may net us a bit of money on top

Thats 20m minimum, potentially 30m lets just go half way and say we make 25m off both. We could quite easily bring in 5 players with the sales money whilst also putting some to the shortfall from relegation.

Cooper - 3m
Gilchrist - Loan
Souttar - Loan
Hoever - Loan
Cannon - Loan
Dozzell - Free
A Striker - 5-7m

Possibly put some options to buy in Jan/End of season on the loans

That gives us 7 potential players for two outgoings, and overall I would class us as being stronger overall. The good thing about the Championship is, you don't just need a squad full of world beaters, you need consistency and depth aswell and this business would tick all the boxes.

Then once the takeover goes through (if it does) we can look in January and go out and pay for some very strong additions (if it is believed the board want to invest)

If he is garbage , who would pay £10m for him? Souza was the 2nd best tackler in the PL last season, the number 1 went to Bayern for £47m. He was poor as we garbage and were have a manager who cannot manage him.

 

[nopigfansintown]

You're already going to struggle at the start of the season as your players won't know how their team mates prefer to play and will need to learn the system your manager wants to play.

So add to this selling remaining players that could help other players settle in and a quarter of the season will be gone before they are comfortable with each other?

My team has had a crap start to most seasons because of the same reasons. We were even debating in January if our two main strikers could reach 20 between them. They ended up with 19 each. Ipswich started last season with a settled League 1 promotion side and continued in the Championship to get automatic promotion.

Possibly. It's not ideal but our preseason form has been excellent. We've had other cluster fuck pre seasons that have resulted in great starts to the season. Obviously we could have a lot more flux between now and then which could destroy our preseason form. There's rumours about a lot more ins and outs.

 

[Sky Blues]

Possibly. It's not ideal but our preseason form has been excellent. We've had other cluster fuck pre seasons that have resulted in great starts to the season. Obviously we could have a lot more flux between now and then which could destroy our preseason form. There's rumours about a lot more ins and outs.

Your season depends on the takeover. If it happens before the transfer window closes and they are happy to seriously invest. If you wait until January the top 2 will most probably be out of reach by then. You have a few good players but you won't have a team. And at best you will be chasing the playoffs which is a lottery.

 

[Varkanoid]

I've already forgotten about the takeover

What takeover ? There is a takeover ?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Your season depends on the takeover. If it happens before the transfer window closes and they are happy to seriously invest. If you wait until January the top 2 will most probably be out of reach by then. You have a few good players but you won't have a team. And at best you will be chasing the playoffs which is a lottery.

I think that's guesswork. United can bring in loans and/or one or two to fill the gaps. There's also the possibility of one or two huge sales and big reinvestment at this level (Anel, Souza, Hamer, Anel, Arblaster). The squad is the bigger issue now rather than the team (keeper aside). Depth.

It's worth knowing that Chris Wilder took United up last time with a bottom six wage budget and only three players that cost over 500k (Lundstram 700k, Norwood 1.2m, Egan 3.5m) after reinvesting some of the David Brooks money. He also won League 2 with bankrupt Northampton who weren't even paying their players - he has form for miracles. We also have a few bright young things that could step up that are probably going under the radar.

I wouldn't dare to make an assessment until the end of the window tbh.

 

[Sky Blues]

Possibly. It's not ideal but our preseason form has been excellent. We've had other cluster fuck pre seasons that have resulted in great starts to the season. Obviously we could have a lot more flux between now and then which could destroy our preseason form. There's rumours about a lot more ins and outs.

And this is the problem.

Pre season is a bit of meh. How fit are they? How fit are you? Yesterday we outplayed Everton even when the second team players were brought on. We only won 3-0 and it should have been more. But Everton are very poor ATM.