Ched Evans [Confirmed]

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Reviving this thread like...

 

[GymClassHero]

Wow what a revival

 

[Houston_Blade]

How many goals does he have to score for Fleetwood before we offer him £50k a week on a 5 year deal?! There was a thread along these lines from one of the Cheddites a few years ago

 

[sufcboy95]

Got to feel for him, career has basically been ruined. He was single handily winning games on his own, would’ve been at least a top end championship striker.

 

[thawot]

Dispicable cunt.
Sad to see his name mentioned alongside our club.
Do we really need to bring it up everytime he scores for AFC Nowhere?

 

[Nesh Blade]

The original conviction was based on her conscience state being not of sound body or mind. She was deemed too intoxicated to consent.

The fact that most Blades fans know this and yet still celebrate Evans or thing this is something to be joked about. The way he was applauded at Bramall Lane when warming up etc used to make my skin crawl. Rape is rape, and this case had the opportunity to set precedent in the law. It worries me that seemingly a large number of people know the details of this case and would still choose to support this man.

 

[McGrath]

The myth of Ched Evans, it never fades.

The more time goes on, the better he seems to get

 

[petcharlie]

Yeah, awful business that. Guy barging into his mate’s hotel room and having sex with a girl who couldn’t remember it. He was really screwed as he wandered back into football while she had to move house and change her name more than once.

Keir Starmer was DPP then by the way, but yep blame the women trying to up the shameful rape conviction rate.

Yea she seemed to have a problem with her memory as she did against the rugby player before

 

[FMBlade1]

Yea she seemed to have a problem with her memory as she did against the rugby player before

 

[JohnDenver]

<<<Grandpa Simpson meme here>>>

 

[8lade]

Was L1 standard and no better.

Did quite well for Norwich in the Championship as a 20 year old, the season before we signed him.

 

[8lade]

Also the girl didn’t remember (or at least was very vague with her recollection) because she was very drunk the night before. I don’t know because I wasn’t there but the evidence in court stated that she was conscience at the time. The original conviction was based on her conscience state being not of sound body or mind. She was deemed too intoxicated to consent.

The fact that most Blades fans know this

The inadmissable evidence, video of her hunting down her pizza would suggest otherwise.

 

[PokerBlade]

Yea she seemed to have a problem with her memory as she did against the rugby player before

Look, we can speculate about her motives and behaviour and redo the whole Ched saga again but the facts will remain that she had to leave home and change her identity. Nobody won in the Ched saga. Her life was ruined, his life was ruined, there was cost to the taxpayer, the legal system has come out looking confused. I doubt anyone will disagree that Ched suffered the most by a distance, but everybody was worse off for this.

 

[CoatesyBlade]

The fact that most Blades fans know this and yet still celebrate Evans or thing this is something to be joked about. The way he was applauded at Bramall Lane when warming up etc used to make my skin crawl. Rape is rape, and this case had the opportunity to set precedent in the law. It worries me that seemingly a large number of people know the details of this case and would still choose to support this man.

It’s not about celebrating the man for me. I just that picture being painted was more of one I’d expect to read in a tabloid by the post I quoted.

 

[CoatesyBlade]

The fact that most Blades fans know this and yet still celebrate Evans or thing this is something to be joked about. The way he was applauded at Bramall Lane when warming up etc used to make my skin crawl. Rape is rape, and this case had the opportunity to set precedent in the law. It worries me that seemingly a large number of people know the details of this case and would still choose to support this man.

Rape is rape. I don’t agree with this statement. Forget Ched and what anyone thinks happened that night.
But I guy being accused of rape when he believes he’s had consensual relations is not the same as a guy forcing himself upon another person.
I just thought the term ‘barged’ was inaccurate and painted the incorrect picture.

 

[1889]

It’s not about celebrating the man for me. I just that picture being painted was more of one I’d expect to read in a tabloid by the post I quoted.

Yeah, makes sense?

 

[CoatesyBlade]

Yeah, makes sense?

Makes no sense that paragraph!
#105 reads like English

 

[Davalon]

Still be arguing over this when he's playing for Premier Inn FC in the Flintshire over 35s league

 

[8lade]

But I guy being accused of rape when he believes he’s had consensual relations is not the same as a guy forcing himself upon another person.

That time I had sex then afterwards the girl said, 'I didn't really want that.'

 

[Nesh Blade]

It’s not about celebrating the man for me. I just that picture being painted was more of one I’d expect to read in a tabloid by the post I quoted.

Wasn't suggesting you were one of the ones celebrating him fella sorry if that didn't come across, was just quoting you as you laid out the facts of the case

 

[ormester]

The fact that most Blades fans know this and yet still celebrate Evans or thing this is something to be joked about. The way he was applauded at Bramall Lane when warming up etc used to make my skin crawl. Rape is rape, and this case had the opportunity to set precedent in the law. It worries me that seemingly a large number of people know the details of this case and would still choose to support this man.

Hmmm I followed the case very closely and tell me how one can be cleared but the other one was charged

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Hmmm I followed the case very closely and tell me how one can be cleared but the other one was charged

You clearly didn't follow it that closely then as it was quite a big part as to how the actions of the two differed, but do we really have to go through this again and again and again?

 

[Nesh Blade]

Rape is rape. I don’t agree with this statement. Forget Ched and what anyone thinks happened that night.
But I guy being accused of rape when he believes he’s had consensual relations is not the same as a guy forcing himself upon another person.
I just thought the term ‘barged’ was inaccurate and painted the incorrect picture.

But here's where we disagree. Most people think of rape as being something that happens to women walking alone at night, violently attacked by a stranger. Obviously this does happen, but actually the majority of sexual assaults are committed by someone who is known to the survivor. Just because someone hasn't physically forced themselves onto someone else doesn't mean it isn't rape. The survivor in this case was intoxicated, which meant she couldn't consent. I would imagine we've all had sex when we're drunk, but it's times like that where it's really really crucial that those involved make sure their partners are comfortable and happy going ahead. It's not that hard. It's the fact that some Blades feel that Evans did nothing wrong in this situation that I find worrying, because it implies that they might be making similar decisions to Evans that night.

 

[Bladesman]

<<<Grandpa Simpson meme here>>>

 

[Nesh Blade]

You clearly didn't follow it that closely then as it was quite a big part as to how the actions of the two differed, but do we really have to go through this again and again and again?

But ultimately I agree with this, we don't need to have this conversation again and again on this forum. He's not our player anymore, nor will he ever be again.

 

[FMBlade1]

But ultimately I agree with this, we don't need to have this conversation again and again on this forum. He's not our player anymore, nor will he ever be again.

When he retires think he would be a great addition to our coaching staff.

Would help our strikers, knows and cares about the club and would set our younger players along the right path.

 

[8lade]

Hmmm I followed the case very closely and tell me how one can be cleared but the other one was charged

As the woman had gone back to the motel with McDonald the judge accepted that they'd agreed to sex (I can't remember exactly how it was put but that was the crux of it).
However this pretty much flies against everything in the legal system but the judge said it so it became so, somehow whether neglect or whatever the appeals never got this overturned.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The survivor in this case was intoxicated, which meant she couldn't consent.

I think you need to be careful of your phrasing here. The question was whether Evans could reasonably believe he had consent, not if he definitively did because the onus is on the prosecution to prove he couldn't have.
It's important because just because a girl is intoxicated doesn't mean that the man couldn't have a reasonable belief that she is able to and has given him consent.
In this case I believe that is one of the major differences between the two defendants testimony.

One thing I think this did for most fans who followed this case is made them aware of this aspect of it. So even if you have consent you need to also believe that their ability to make that decision wasn't impaired. That's a very important distinction.

 

[Withington Blade]

There will always be opposing views on this, although I’m sure everyone will agree it was an awful case that absolutely nobody involved gained anything from. On a purely footballing level, Ched shouldn’t be anywhere near our team, in my opinion. He wasn’t at the required level a couple of years ago, hence why he was released, and he certainly isn’t now.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

How many goals does he have to score for Fleetwood before we offer him £50k a week on a 5 year deal?! There was a thread along these lines from one of the Cheddites a few years ago

I'm raising my children as young followers of the Ched. Start them early, I say. I refer to them collectively as Mini Cheddars.