Wilders PL signings

[Bladezz]

The recruitment needs to be looked at.

We’ve spent £60 million and only one is a first teamer and he splits fans Mcburnie.

 

[Brian Deane]

As a guess and due to the economic climate as it currently stands then I'd say all players are perhaps worth less than we paid for them but that doesn't just end at SUFC its across the board for all teams in all divisions.

 

[Ricky]

send Choudhury the other way for 12 months too.

Great suggestion, but he's probably a bit too quick.

 

[Danny Blade]

I'm not talking about value i'm talking about taking us forward.

Berge will not recoup the fee we paid based on his SUFC performances

Robinson will go for less

Freeman will go for less

McBurnie will really go for less

Moose probably holds

Osborn hard to say

Despite Berge being far from outstanding so far he is still settling in to a new league and obviously a new way of playing from the team he's transferred from. He was supposed to have been our marquee signing this season and we weren't the only PL club looking at signing him either which is why I think we signed him in Jan instead of this upcoming summer window. I'd be very surprised if Wilder wants to move him on when the window opens. He will be given next season with a full pre-season with us behind him to prove himself to adapt to our style and the Premier League. If he doesn't then I agree with you that we won't get all the fee we forked out for him back.

Despite Robinson dropping back down to the Championship after half a season in the Prem his value will have either gone up or will stay the same at the very least. It's not quite worked out but since he left PNE he's now got half a season experience at PL level and scored a goal. OK that isn't going to make his value soar but at the same time his CV if you like is slightly better than when we first signed him. In the meantime he's dropped back down to the Championship, started scoring again and by the end of this season will have got the experience of gaining a promotion. I think his is a case of playing in the PL has come a little prematurely and isn't quite ready but he's still so young he's got plenty of time to turn it back around whether thats with us or with another team.

McBurnie is similar as above, not been brilliant all the time but from his point of view is a better player now than when he last played for Swansea. Plenty of PL apps in what will probably turn out to be a full season and has scored a few goals. If you're a team looking to sign a goalscorer even at Championship level it really costs millions these days. When we were at that level we were lucky in that we already had Sharp and Clarke who carried on their form from the scintillating League 1 season and then Didzy scoring 15 for us the season after. So if we hadn't had those 3 and were pretty much toothless instead we wouldn't have had the money to sign a goalscorer like the fees McBurnie, Maupay, Mount, and Wilson etc would've commanded. It's only our promotion to the Prem that allowed us to afford him. His transfer fee that we paid was about (rising to) £18 - £22 million, his value can't have gone down by much if at all now he's had a season of Prem football and chipped in with a few goals.

So the main point I'm trying to summarise here (which I'm probably doing badly) is that it depends on which way you look at it. You're view seems to be glass half empty which is understandable because their performances have been far from outstanding and less than we initially would've hoped for.

My view on the other hand is glass half full - yes they haven't pulled up that many trees in the Prem but they are still better players for it than before we signed them. The experience they will have gained is still important so therefore I think their values can't have depreciated that much if at all.

They just haven't quite turned into the quality Premier League players we had hoped for, bearing in mind it's still their first season playing in the world's hardest football league.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

I can't see many of the newer signings leaving - I certainly hope there isnt a fall out between Mousset and CW - Mousset I think is the best signing of the bunch. I think it would be a shame for Freeman to move on, as I think he could really do well in the McG role, but might well do to seek first team football.

If there is a slimmer budget for next (I think that might not be exclusive to our club, given the economic fall out), then we should double our efforts for quality over quantity, rather then squad filling. Much like what we did going into the promotion season: Norwood upgrade on Evans, Egan upgrade on Jake Wright etc. CW will know this though.

The other thing is that I looked at the first team today and could not see a match winner - in a game - when you are playing badly (e.g. can create a goal out of nothing and win 1-0). We need somebody like that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

My view on the other hand is glass half full - yes they haven't pulled up that many trees in the Prem but they are still better players for it than before we signed them. The experience they will have gained is still important so therefore I think their values can't have depreciated that much if at all.

That's the bit I disagree with. I think especially with Sander (agree early days) he is not better than before we signed him, he can't be based on his performances so far. He was the star for Ghent, one of the most highly rated players of his age but has so far looked nothing like the player he was in Belgium. I am really want the lad to just take off but I can't see it right now. Maybe our system is all wrong for him and he needs to take Noroods place? Jury out.

McBurnie/Robinson/Freeman are just expensive Championship players that haven't stepped up.

 

[SWB]

McBurnie didn't come flying out of the blocks but then got into good form & shape, he put some top performances in (not too long ago). That's this season, he's shown he can do it. Sub standard form these last 2 games applies to 95% of the team.

 

[Chabuddy G]

The best players in that list are three of the 4 cheapest.

How do you work that one out?

 

[Sam64]

That's the bit I disagree with. I think especially with Sander (agree early days) he is not better than before we signed him, he can't be based on his performances so far. He was the star for Ghent, one of the most highly rated players of his age but has so far looked nothing like the player he was in Belgium. I am really want the lad to just take off but I can't see it right now. Maybe our system is all wrong for him and he needs to take Noroods place? Jury out.

McBurnie/Robinson/Freeman are just expensive Championship players that haven't stepped up.

Think it's unfair to say Freeman hasn't stepped up. Only reason he's not playing is because our player of the year plays his position

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Think it's unfair to say Freeman hasn't stepped up. Only reason he's not playing is because our player of the year plays his position

Fleck does not play the same position. Freeman is very much in the Duffy mould as a no.10, Wilder (rightly) has stabalised the midfield with a flat 3 this season. I do like Freeman but he isn't going to fit in with a flat 3, he's too attack minded.

 

[Chabuddy G]

I'm not talking about value i'm talking about taking us forward.

Berge will not recoup the fee we paid based on his SUFC performances

Robinson will go for less

Freeman will go for less

McBurnie will really go for less

Moose probably holds

Osborn hard to say

Berge, McBurnie we could sell right now for what we paid.

Freeman, championship sides know is high end quality. He goes for pretty much what we paid for him.

Robinson goes for the same or more.

Mousset roughly what we paid if not more now he’s actually scored a few goals.

Osborn would go for about what we paid.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Berge, McBurnie we could sell right now for what we paid.

Freeman, championship sides know is high end quality. He goes for pretty much what we paid for him.

Robinson goes for the same or more.

Mousset roughly what we paid if not more now he’s actually scored a few goals.

Osborn would go for about what we paid.

Tell me one club that will pay £17m for McBurnie.

 

[Bladesman]

Depends if some of those will get much more time under Wilder. Sadly being in the PL we can't afford to wait on that many players to live up to their promise.

Wilder does tend to move players on fairly quickly though if he doesn't think they fit. So I expect Callum Robinson to go but I think the rest will get til the next transfer window to prove themselves.

 

[Mario1889]

Berge needs time.

He came from another country and like many players needed time to settle in, then not long after arriving he has an enforced break from football for 3 months.

We won’t see the best of him until next season.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Tell me one club that will pay £17m for McBurnie.

Any side in the championship awash with money. So any of the relegated lot, Fulham certainly if they lost Mitrovic. You’ve got a 20 goal a season striker who’s 6 foot 3, it’s a potential promotion clincher.

 

[Bladezz]

I don’t grasp the argument of selling players for what we paid for them. In essence if we sign a player and he makes no impact on our side it’s a poor signing.

We’ve spent a lot of money and nothing to show for it To be honest.

 

[Bladezz]

Fleck does not play the same position. Freeman is very much in the Duffy mould as a no.10, Wilder (rightly) has stabalised the midfield with a flat 3 this season. I do like Freeman but he isn't going to fit in with a flat 3, he's too attack minded.

So why was he signed?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Any side in the championship awash with money. So any of the relegated lot, Fulham certainly if they lost Mitrovic. You’ve got a 20 goal a season striker who’s 6 foot 3, it’s a potential promotion clincher.

If Fulham don't go up we should offer a swap deal then. Mitro is on a different level to McBurnie.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So why was he signed?

Because he's an option from the bench when chasing a game and going more offensive, simple as that really.

 

[JPBrods]

Robinson £6m

Didn't spend the farm on him and he didn't make it. No big deal.

McBurnie £17m

He's 24 and he has scored some important goals this season

Moose £9m

Great player if we can get him to Wilder fitness

Freeman £5m

Meh. You get what you pay for. Decent cover

Berge £20m

Needs a pre season but has something to prove with that price tag, I'll grant

Osborn £3m

Really can't argue with that. Done a solid job when called on

 

[Bladezz]

Because he's an option from the bench when chasing a game and going more offensive, simple as that really.

Okay but has he produced or been a game changer in any of his appearances? It’s a bad signing.

 

[Chabuddy G]

If Fulham don't go up we should offer a swap deal then. Mitro is on a different level to McBurnie.

Mitrovic is most likely to go abroad to a top European club tbh

 

[Chabuddy G]

Okay but has he produced or been a game changer in any of his appearances? It’s a bad signing.

Palace? Set up the goal.

 

[Bladezz]

Palace? Set up the goal.

A saved shot is setting up a goal. It’s new to me but I suppose you can have it. £6m....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Okay but has he produced or been a game changer in any of his appearances? It’s a bad signing.

When Duffy shot himself in the foot we needed a no.10.

Wilder went on record as saying there will be times when we go with the old system of last season but generally in the Prem we needed more midfield support due to the quality of the opposition. Wilder to my knowledge has yet to employ the no.10 this season so hence Freeman is not starting games.

I actually think he's a good player but odds are he won't play in this system so I expect him to be sold, probably to Leeds who were interested in him and who would use him in their system.

 

[Chabuddy G]

A saved shot is setting up a goal. It’s new to me but I suppose you can have it. £6m....

He quite literally set it up. He worked himself into the position and had a crack knowing full well the ball was in an area where it could be partied into danger.

£6mil yes, and? What do you expect without a run of games

 

[BettingBlade]

A saved shot is setting up a goal. It’s new to me but I suppose you can have it. £6m....

Made things happen in the second half against Chelsea too, he was one of the main reasons we pulled that back.

What do you expect him to do if we are playing a flat 3 in midfield?

 

[Bladezz]

When Duffy shot himself in the foot we need a no.10.

Wilder went on record as saying there will be times when we go with the old system of last season but generally in the Prem we needed more midfiled support due to the quality of the opposition. Wilder to my knowledge has yet to employ the no.10 this season so hence Freeman is not starting games.

I actually think he's a good player but odds are he won't play in this system so I expect him to be sold, probably to Leeds who would use him in their system.

So he was signed with good intentions (like they all are). But for £6m he doesn’t even play and when he comes on he doesn’t change a game. It’s not a good signing.

He’s not the biggest issue on recruitment by the way.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Mitrovic is most likely to go abroad to a top European club tbh

Surely has to be in our sights if we are to build on this season?

 

[Bladezz]

Made things happen in the second half against Chelsea too, he was one of the main reasons we pulled that back.

What do you expect him to do if we are playing a flat 3 in midfield?

Im expecting us to not sign him, or sign someone that can play in a flat 3?