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YES Blade said:
You get one celebration when the ball hits the back of the net then a second when VAR confirms the goal. What’s the problem?

The only issue is when the VAR goes against you, but it’s no different to a late flag or a foul after the ball has gone in the net.
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Tbf most people have been consistent in criticising this, whether it's for or against. How is it not different? It's about 4 minutes different.

You can't really defend it based on it's impact of the atmosphere of a game, you could defend it in its accuracy but even that's debatable.
 



sonofbruce said:
What annoys me is that a player can score, the linesman flags for offside and the referee chooses to rule it out. The decision stands and VAR does not review the decision as the referee has the final call on the pitch and no goal was given.

But then when a player scores, no offside is called by the referee, linesman or team that conceded, the referee calls it a goal, but VAR is used as the rules say all goals must be reviewed. This leads to something as ridiculous as today where a marginal decision of centimetres ruled a goal out after nearly four minutes of review. Not because the referee, linesman or Spurs thought there was something wrong, but the powers that be have decided that this is right.

VAR should be requested by the referee when they are not sure, but not used automatically regardless.

Look at rugby, cricket, tennis and ice hockey. Video reviews are done so quickly but for some reason football has decided that it needs to take as long as humanly possible to spot a minut infringement that no one else on Earth would have spotted.

VAR is not to blame but the dickheads who wrote the rules for how it is being used. They are ruining matches.
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The difference is that those sports have been using VAR for what? 20 years in some cases? Football is so behind the times on this it’s embarrassing.

Those sports wouldn’t have been perfect in their first year of video replays so why do we expect football to be? Cricket especially is night and day when comparing the early use of the 3rd umpire to now.

It’s just going to take time to perfect VAR’s use, but it will ultimately react a point where it is universally accepted and seen as a much better than matches refereed without VAR.
 
I'd like to see then prove that the computer software and optics used to calculate VAR is calibrated accurately enough to be to allow them to calculate down to the nearest millimetre, that he's offside. In my opinion the technology can't do that beyond reasonable doubt.

Offsides have got to be clear blue sky between players or there's no point. The rule is there to stop bog lining anyway, not stop the fine art of timing a run off the defenders shoulder.
 
tomtheblade said:
I think the way it's determined is by drawing a line from the body directly down to the pitch. If you do that with his head and shoulder then they're behind the line, so not playing him onside.

Still a ridiculous decision for other reasons though.
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How can that say that line is exactly perpendicular to the ground?
 
BladeInIreland said:
Tbf most people have been consistent in criticising this, whether it's for or against. How is it not different? It's about 4 minutes different.

You can't really defend it based on it's impact of the atmosphere of a game, you could defend it in its accuracy but even that's debatable.
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I don’t really get the time argument, how is it any different to any other stoppage in the game be it a substitution or injury? The time is just added on at the end like it’s always been.
 
SwissBlade said:
I think that’s something we’ve grown into as the seasons gone on. We didn’t panic at all today. Even at 1-0 down and a VAR decision against us, we continued in the way we’d played all game.
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I honestly couldn’t see us losing after they scored. That’s not like me at all. I am very doom and gloom when watching matches.
 
sonofbruce said:
VAR could be good, but not the way they're using it.
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How? Up to last season, a team scored, you looked across at the assistant and - if the flag was raised - the goal was ruled out. End of. Now every game has more discussion about VAR than the actual game. It's totally fucking up the game and is an insane experiment that's failed. Scrap it now or more people will not bother going to the game.

If they're seeking perfection, what about the Dier second yellow? What about Burnley's first goal today that came from a corner when it was clearly a West Ham goal-kick? They can't have it both ways.

A typical VAR decision will eventually see a team relegated because a vital goal was ruled out because somebody's left bollock was marginally offside.

Today, thousands of Blades paid a fortune to see a game-changing decision. What if Spurs had scored in the time added on while the farce that is VAR fucked about for 3-odd minutes?

It's wide open to inaccuracy and favouring teams who learn to play the system.,
 
penthouseblade said:
I'd say it's the way we have played for the last three full seasons, not just this game. The fact it was Tottenham away, and we were losing is very very telling in my opinion.
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I think up until perhaps the Arsenal game, we’ve played a little within ourselves. But we’re getting back to the levels of the last three seasons.

amazing times
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Trouble is they have no intention of making their mates look like useless twats and next week is they've swapped positions they will do the same.
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I think they're doing it on purpose.. VAR panel is nearly always ignoring clear penalties but making decisions with a micrometer on whether or not a player is offside by a gnat's bollock. They're basically arguing that the ref on the pitch is always right apart from those decisions indiscernible with the naked eye. British referee's don't want VAR and are doing their best to undermine it. Completely different to the RU World Cup where the referee's used replays to enhance their decision making.

Ruling the goal out today was even more absurd because they should only have been looking at what happened after the ball was headed away by the Spurs defender and everything that followed from that was legitimate.
 
McGrath said:
How can that say that line is exactly perpendicular to the ground?
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It's a good point, you can't, you can only say it's close enough to perpendicular to be accurate. But when the resulting difference is a millimeter, that margin of error becomes significant.

The trouble is that literally every part of VAR ultimately ends up being somewhat arbitrary.

Which frame do you pick to draw the lines on? You need a camera that has a high frame range, then cycle to the exact point where the ball leaves the foot, then go one frame back. However even this is hard to determine, as on a 2d image, if the foot is overlapping the ball then there's no way to know if it's still touching the ball or not.

How high is the resolution of the image? Lower resolutions will cause blur, which may enlargen areas of a players body.

How is the focus of the camera set? Even a small difference will cause players in the background to appear larger than they actually are.

Is the camera aligned with the pitch properly. Since your using a 2d image from that camera to determine the result, the camera needs to be perfectly horizontal in order for the perspective to be judged accurately, as you mention with the perpendicular lines.

All these variables means it's actually impossible to have a 100% objective decision. If the player is a yard over, then fine. If it's a millimeter, there's a good chance that it's incorrect.
 
YES Blade said:
I don’t really get the time argument, how is it any different to any other stoppage in the game be it a substitution or injury? The time is just added on at the end like it’s always been.
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Time to decide a goal is obviously more significant than time for a substitution.
 
tomtheblade said:
It's a good point, you can't, you can only say it's close enough to perpendicular to be accurate. But when the resulting difference is a millimeter, that margin of error becomes significant.

The trouble is that literally every part of VAR ultimately ends up being somewhat arbitrary.

Which frame do you pick to draw the lines on? You need a camera that has a high frame range, then cycle to the exact point where the ball leaves the foot, then go one frame back. However even this is hard to determine, as on a 2d image, if the foot is overlapping the ball then there's no way to know if it's still touching the ball or not.

How high is the resolution of the image? Lower resolutions will cause blur, which may enlargen areas of a players body.

How is the focus of the camera set? Even a small difference will cause players in the background to appear larger than they actually are.

Is the camera aligned with the pitch properly. Since your using a 2d image from that camera to determine the result, the camera needs to be perfectly horizontal in order for the perspective to be judged accurately, as you mention with the perpendicular lines.

All these variables means it's actually impossible to have a 100% objective decision. If the player is a yard over, then fine. If it's a millimeter, there's a good chance that it's incorrect.
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Thats a lot of words to say its bollocks.

Tha missing beer time.
 
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derekacorah said:
I honestly couldn’t see us losing after they scored. That’s not like me at all. I am very doom and gloom when watching matches.
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Its because we are experiencing the sweet smell of success that we have never experienced so high up before. We are now surrounded by the top six..... :)
 
McGrath said:
I'd like to see then prove that the computer software and optics used to calculate VAR is calibrated accurately enough to be to allow them to calculate down to the nearest millimetre, that he's offside. In my opinion the technology can't do that beyond reasonable doubt.

Offsides have got to be clear blue sky between players or there's no point. The rule is there to stop bog lining anyway, not stop the fine art of timing a run off the defenders shoulder.
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Exactly this. Offside should be daylight between attacker and defender. Just like the unwritten rule was back in the day to make it more straightforward for linos.
 
If the VAR ref thinks the on field ref has made a mistake, then the two should be in each others ear conferring in public I.e. over the tannoy, while watching replays that are also shown on the big screens. That will cut out half of the bullshit, just bring some transparency to the decision making, just like every other sport in the world with a similar system in play.
 
McGrath said:
I'd like to see then prove that the computer software and optics used to calculate VAR is calibrated accurately enough to be to allow them to calculate down to the nearest millimetre, that he's offside. In my opinion the technology can't do that beyond reasonable doubt.

Offsides have got to be clear blue sky between players or there's no point. The rule is there to stop bog lining anyway, not stop the fine art of timing a run off the defenders shoulder.
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It's been stated by those responsible for it that it's nowhere near accurate enough to be deciding these Hares breaths decisions
 
Looking back over this dispiriting thread, the only one thing that can be agreed upon is that football is headed to the same level as NFL and rugby in terms of tv interference. Some people don’t like it, believing that football is a free flowing and spontaneous game. Others like it for reasons I’m sure they will be happy to explain.

But, stripping it back, when fans in a ground have to wait for 3 minutes and 20 seconds to find out whether they can celebrate or not?

How can any football watching fan even try to justify this? “Oh, but Henry!” Ffs
 
If you look at the picture with a telescope .Clearly his tongue was in a offside position .so no goal
 
as i put on match thread the old quote, knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit but wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

obviously that means just because they are right by the rules doesnt mean its the correct decision. by the rules nobody has to give the back after a players got treatment. VAR as it is now contravenes the spirit of the rules. it was implemented because of the howler when people are yds offside. youve got to have a margin of error like has been in football for previous 147 years. ie there has to be daylight
 
YES Blade said:
They are using it consistently, so I don’t have a problem with it.

It’s wank when it goes against you, but great when it goes for you. If it was the other way round we’d all be saying “an offside toe is still offside”.
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No we wouldn’t. This is complete and utter bollocks. Firmino’s armpit was offside last week. So you can be offside with an armpit but can’t play someone onside with your armpit. It’s a fucking joke they’re making it up as they go along. They can’t even draw a straight line for fucks sake.
 
YES Blade said:
I don’t really get the time argument, how is it any different to any other stoppage in the game be it a substitution or injury? The time is just added on at the end like it’s always been.
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VAR check took almost 4 minutes. There were 6 minutes added time. Which means the referee only added 2 minutes on for subs, goals, injuries etc. So no, it isn’t added on.
 



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