VAR ruled this offside...

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Don’t care

Given something for us to talk about hasn’t it?

God forbid there was goal line technology in 1966, eh?

Aye, we'd only have won 3-2, changed nowt except Hurst's hattrick and his knighthood?

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Big shout out for Harry Kane.

He could have gone down for a pen that would definitely have been given. He tried desperately and stayed on his feet.

Proper baller, worthy captain of England,

Nope, the ball was played in that incident, not a foul.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I think that’s something we’ve grown into as the seasons gone on. We didn’t panic at all today. Even at 1-0 down and a VAR decision against us, we continued in the way we’d played all game.

Nice one Swiss, we're good, enjoy.

 

[Roygbiv]

He should be made to cross Penistone Rd blindfolded on a Monday morning at 7.45am.

Don't think he needs to be blindfolded. He clearly has trouble with his eyesight as it is.

People from around the world are tweeting about how well VAR is working in their leagues and can't get their heads round why we are making such a balls up of it. It's the richest league in the world but the officiating is a disgrace.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Of course it's offside, it's as obvious as remainers won the referendum.

Imaging crow barring brexit into this thread of all threads
So sad

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Refs have been making mistakes since the laws were first written, so how is VAR making that any different?

Because VAR was brought in to eliminate these mistakes. Goals have been ruled out for offside (when they shouldn't have been) for years and vice versa.

What we have now is a situation where officials are being told NOT to flag for offside and instead let this tech make the decision for them. Trouble is, the human in the tech booth still has to manipulate the system to come to a decision... Which is contentious in itself as the tech cannot give a definitive, 100% accurate image to represent exactly when the ball is played or (apparently) a 90° angle to show where each respective player was when the ball is played.

50% of the decision when ruling out offside goals is guess work, based on poor image quality and a point & click line drawing system.

Time consuming bollocks which has in no way shape or form improved football.

 

[YES Blade]

Because VAR takes five minutes to come up with a decision that's no better than the ref could make at the blow of a whistle.

Literally the whole point is that it's meant to make things BETTER. Not for us to shrug and say "Well, it's the same as a ref".

5 minutes, so what? If the game finishes at say 5:15, does it really matter? Have you got somewhere else you’ve desperately got to get to?

Nothing will ever be 100% but it will stop Henry and Maradona incidents. That’s got to be an improvement surely?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Imaging crow barring brexit into this thread of all threads
So sad

I thought it was slick.

 

[PokerBlade]

5 minutes, so what? If the game finishes at say 5:15, does it really matter? Have you got somewhere else you’ve desperately got to get to?

Nothing will ever be 100% but it will stop Henry and Maradona incidents. That’s got to be an improvement surely?

Five minutes that fans actually watching the sport are completely detached from what's going on. In a sport where the biggest irritation most viewers have is the time wasting.

It'd be something if it had actually improved the standards of decision making, but as it is we've gained nothing in exchange for lengthy breaks to the action.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Because VAR was brought in to eliminate these mistakes. Goals have been ruled out for offside (when they shouldn't have been) for years and vice versa.

What we have now is a situation where officials are being told NOT to flag for offside and instead let this tech make the decision for them. Trouble is, the human in the tech booth still has to manipulate the system to come to a decision... Which is contentious in itself as the tech cannot give a definitive, 100% accurate image to represent exactly when the ball is played or (apparently) a 90° angle to show where each respective player was when the ball is played.

50% of the decision when ruling out offside goals is guess work, based on poor image quality and a point & click line drawing system.

Time consuming bollocks which has in no way shape or form improved football.

Trouble is they have no intention of making their mates look like useless twats and next week is they've swapped positions they will do the same.

 

[SwissBlade]

It's not correct though is it ?
Diers shoulder is beyond lundstrams foot or any other part of his body
The ball hasn't left the players foot yet
Plus the lines aren't parallel with the penalty area
The ball was touched by a defender so should have been reset and the system is not accurate enough to be able to make that decision

As I said on other posts, it wasn’t the point I was pissed off about. You hope that when they use VAR they get it right in applying the rules (even if they are making something simple seem difficult), so I’m not too concerned with the actual decision... it’s the impact on the game it has

felt like the game turned into a bit of a farce after VAR, that’s seems to be the case from every game it’s been used in - from the England game in the summer to today. It’s not working

 

[BladeInIreland]

So what’s the answer? Scrap it completely?

Yes imo.

 

[YES Blade]

Five minutes that fans actually watching the sport are completely detached from what's going on. In a sport where the biggest irritation most viewers have is the time wasting.

It'd be something if it had actually improved the standards of decision making, but as it is we've gained nothing in exchange for lengthy breaks to the action.

They need to start showing the VAR replays on the big screens, I’ve no idea why they don’t do that.

That will add to the match day experience.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

VAR should get 60 seconds to review. If they can't come to a decision then the referee makes the call on the pitch.

but just to remind everyone, we were told VAR would onlly be used where a referee had missed “an obvious error” leading to a match changing situation. If it takes 4 minutes for several referees to review it, looking at every possible angle on video, then it isn’t an “obvious” error.

 

[penthouseblade]

I think that’s something we’ve grown into as the seasons gone on. We didn’t panic at all today. Even at 1-0 down and a VAR decision against us, we continued in the way we’d played all game.

I'd say it's the way we have played for the last three full seasons, not just this game. The fact it was Tottenham away, and we were losing is very very telling in my opinion.

 

[Plymouthblade]

Trevor ?

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

For me.. it’s not the tech, millimetres this way or that, it’s the principle of ruining the game. Players and fans unable to celebrate instantaneously? Eh?

What are you on about? Who reserves their celebrations until it’s been confirmed by VAR?

 

[YES Blade]

Yes imo.

So you think football will be the first sport where VAR will fail? Why it that? What makes football so unique that it can’t possibly work?

My personal opinion is that football fans are just stuck in their ways and anything new is always met with criticism and moans.

 

[BladeInIreland]

So you think football will be the first sport where VAR will fail? Why it that? What makes football so unique that it can’t possibly work?

My personal opinion is that football fans are just stuck in their ways and anything new is always met with criticism and moans.

A goal is more important in football imo. It's not like some sports where it is routine for scorelines to go into double digits. You are supposed to go mental. Imagine some of our most famous goals losing its impact due to a 4 minute check. When I look back at games I look back at these moments, not games we lost 1-0 despite the opposition striker being an inch offside.

 

[PokerBlade]

They need to start showing the VAR replays on the big screens, I’ve no idea why they don’t do that.

That will add to the match day experience.

The same reason they wouldn't show controversial decisions on the screen before. Because of crowd worries and undermining the referee.

 

[mablethorpe utd]

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Wankers

Remember WHU last time we were in the PL and how that cost us points and survival?

pommpey

It was a mile offside, lundstram was just finishing a moonwalk.

 

[YES Blade]

A goal is more important in football imo. It's not like some sports where it is routine for scorelines to go into double digits. You are supposed to go mental. Imagine some of our most famous goals losing its impact due to a 4 minute check. When I look back at games I look back at these moments, not games we lost 1-0 despite the opposition striker being an inch offside.

So what you’re saying is that say we won the FA Cup and the winning goal included a 5 minute VAR check, that would ruin it for you? You’d remember our cup win 20 years later and how it was ruined by a 5 minute VAR check?

Come on, can you not see how ridiculous that scenario sounds?

 

[YES Blade]

The same reason they wouldn't show controversial decisions on the screen before. Because of crowd worries and undermining the referee.

Well it’s a sad reflection on football fans if they can’t behave like adults when a replay and refereeing decision is shown on the big screen.

 

[tomtheblade]

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Wankers

Remember WHU last time we were in the PL and how that cost us points and survival?

pommpey

Davalon pommpey Niceguyeddie

A lot of people pointing this out..

I agree that this is a ridiculous situation, and we can't be sure because the factors are too marginal.
The resolution of the camera, frame chosen for the ball being played are all arbitrary and have a huge effect on whether the player appears offside or onside.

But Diers head and shoulders are not playing Lunny onside, here's why:

Offside is measured relative to the objective standard of the pitch. This is done by drawing a straight vertical line from the body down to the ground. If you do that with Diers head or shoulder (you can try it by placing a ruler over your screen), the point at which it meets the ground falls behind Lunnys foot, therefore not playing him onside. It's as simple as that.

I'm not saying he is definitely offside. I think it's too close to tell, and a 4 minute delay to have no conclusive answer is absurd. But everyone making the head and shoulder argument is misunderstanding the way offside is judged.

 

[Tynemouth Blade]

This decision could be the turning point for VAR!
Surely if enough noise is being made the FA/EPL can't ignore it!

 

[BladeInIreland]

So what you’re saying is that say we won the FA Cup and the winning goal included a 5 minute VAR check, that would ruin it for you? You’re remember our cup win 20 years later and how it was ruined by a 5 minute VAR check?

Come on, can you not see how ridiculous that scenario sounds?

Of course it would take away from the moment. It takes away from the atmosphere. Obviously winning an FA cup final isn't a balanced example but in general I think it is undeniable VAR takes away from the moment. And if you take these moments out of football, or reduce the effect then we are effectively just watching a bunch of lads kick a ball.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

What annoys me is that a player can score, the linesman flags for offside and the referee chooses to rule it out. The decision stands and VAR does not review the decision as the referee has the final call on the pitch and no goal was given.

But then when a player scores, no offside is called by the referee, linesman or team that conceded, the referee calls it a goal, but VAR is used as the rules say all goals must be reviewed. This leads to something as ridiculous as today where a marginal decision of centimetres ruled a goal out after nearly four minutes of review. Not because the referee, linesman or Spurs thought there was something wrong, but the powers that be have decided that this is right.

VAR should be requested by the referee when they are not sure, but not used automatically regardless.

Look at rugby, cricket, tennis and ice hockey. Video reviews are done so quickly but for some reason football has decided that it needs to take as long as humanly possible to spot a minut infringement that no one else on Earth would have spotted.

VAR is not to blame but the dickheads who wrote the rules for how it is being used. They are ruining matches.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Looks like the ear is playing his toe onside to me as his ear is further ahead than his knee.

The FA need to address this and stop looking for reasons to disallow goals through bullshit four minute reviews.

VAR could be good, but not the way they're using it.

Not your fault but that first paragraph is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen written about football

 

[YES Blade]

Of course it would take away from the moment. It takes away from the atmosphere. Obviously winning an FA cup final isn't a balanced example but in general I think it is undeniable VAR takes away from the moment. And if you take these moments out of football, or reduce the effect then we are effectively just watching a bunch of lads kick a ball.

You get one celebration when the ball hits the back of the net then a second when VAR confirms the goal. What’s the problem?

The only issue is when the VAR goes against you, but it’s no different to a late flag or a foul after the ball has gone in the net.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Not your fault but that first paragraph is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen written about football

It was written deliberately tongue in cheek to highlight how stupid the decision making is.