Wilders "back up" signings

[Welshblade]

I didn't even notice Bryan on the pitch. I'm sure he will have been told to do the bare minimum and never get forward, to minimise our chances of accidental victory.

Osborn made himself look fucking shite as well. Must have been difficult for him, even if he was told performance doesn't matter one bit.

Most will be able to contribute when placed among the first choice line up.

But Besic and Ravel are worries. They don't look up to it at all. Besic used to get about the pitch better than he does now.

We already know K.Freeman isn't up to it and that Jags is past it.

We need to address the positions in January which we didn't adequately strengthen in the summer - that right side. RCB, RWB, RCM.

Ain't we good for RCM with Lunny/ Norwood? If one or the other gets injured we can play like last season with a CAM the likes of Robbo, Freeman and McGoldrick could play.

 

[Bladesway]

I had no idea he moved there. Or that he cost 20 million. Thats ridiculous. I thought 8 million, at most. More along the lines of 4 or 5 tbh.

If he's fetching 20 million then Egan and JOC must be worth 30-40 becausr they are both much better than him.

And theres me thinking he'd be a relatively affordable option as back up.

20 million. Roger me rigid. Makes Moose's 10 million look a steal.

And there’s the rub. We don’t actually know what Wilder tried and who he tried that we didn’t get. Last night was shit, but this is a competition that has nothing for us this season.

Having done better than expected in our core objective to date I really don’t give a shit about the cup. Like I didnt last season. If we stay up then perhaps we get more comfortable in the Premier League next season and a cup run is on the cards.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I would’ve liked to have seen some level of partnership play between CR & Moose, possibly scoring a goal each. Both being a constant threat to a beleaguered Sunderland defence with their running, pace & physicality. They are currently one of the options we have as starters up front and i’d hoped to see them gel and look like they could function together.

I would’ve also liked to have seen Ravel take control of the game in midfield and dictate play, possible also score a goal. Be a metronome & demanding all play comes through him from the back line, showcasing his range of passing.

I would’ve liked to have seen LF be a constant inventive/creative thorn in Sunderland’s side. Buzzing about like a pest, demanding the ball. Trying things. Trying to be cute in tight areas.

I’d hoped to see Besic show himself to be a mobile, combative CM, showing why he can challenge JL for that role, showing his international pedigree.

I’d hoped to see McB show a glimpse of why we’ve spent £20m on him.

I’d hoped to see KB, showtime slightest reason why we pay him every month.

So would Wilder have liked all that, and more than anyone, the players themselves.

New players take varying times to settle, thats why the manager has limited the number of team changes this early.

There is loads of time left for the season to unfold and qualities will show through. Not all of them will succeed though.

Far too early to be worried. In any case, if we had blown all the £40m on one player, who's to say he would have settled by now?
So many examples of failures at this level, for such money and much more.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Some truth in that , but I can't see Cranie playing as poorly as most of them did on Wednesday and in at least 5 different positions .

Cranie played against Barnet he didnt make any howlers but didnt stand out either.
We are not man city ,liverpool etc so our back up squad will never rival the first eleven but we have to keep moving forward (improving).
Wilder is doing that but it takes time and money and every signing will not work.
Most fans would have expected us to win that whatever, we lost it's the big one saturday,sunderland has gone.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Holgate and Hendrick are the very obvious ones and that for me would make a great January. Might only cost £10m for both.

Long shot but I wonder if Chelsea would find it advantageous to loan Reece James out from January. If they got knocked out of a cup or two then they might think about it.

 

[BigBed]

Wish we'd kept Ryan Leonard n played Ricky Holmes now!

 

[Ricky]

Ain't we good for RCM with Lunny/ Norwood? If one or the other gets injured we can play like last season with a CAM the likes of Robbo, Freeman and McGoldrick could play.

Can but won't.

Long shot but I wonder if Chelsea would find it advantageous to loan Reece James out from January. If they got knocked out of a cup or two then they might think about it.

Think James will be replacing a past it Azpilicueta pretty soon.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Can but won't.




Think James will be replacing a past it Azpilicueta pretty soon.

Isn't he the captain? Next season I can see that happening but might be too soon this.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I've only read the first page of this thread and that's enough for me but I'd like to welcome back a few posters who haven't been around much lately who I just assumed had been banned but I'm.glad to.say are still part of the forum
Nice to.see you again.in here and on the shoutbox

 

[Kanye]

but my God the rest of them are showing nothing at all. There is a very good reason why they don't start games and most weekends don't even get a seat on the bench.

Showing nothing at all =/= shite

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Cranie played against Barnet he didnt make any howlers but didnt stand out either.
We are not man city ,liverpool etc so our back up squad will never rival the first eleven but we have to keep moving forward (improving).
Wilder is doing that but it takes time and money and every signing will not work.
Most fans would have expected us to win that whatever, we lost it's the big one saturday,sunderland has gone.

Not only didn't they rival our first eleven , they didn't even rival Sunderland's second eleven .

 

[Carlton Blade]

I would’ve liked to have seen some level of partnership play between CR & Moose, possibly scoring a goal each. Both being a constant threat to a beleaguered Sunderland defence with their running, pace & physicality. They are currently one of the options we have as starters up front and i’d hoped to see them gel and look like they could function together.

I would’ve also liked to have seen Ravel take control of the game in midfield and dictate play, possible also score a goal. Be a metronome & demanding all play comes through him from the back line, showcasing his range of passing.

I would’ve liked to have seen LF be a constant inventive/creative thorn in Sunderland’s side. Buzzing about like a pest, demanding the ball. Trying things. Trying to be cute in tight areas.

I’d hoped to see Besic show himself to be a mobile, combative CM, showing why he can challenge JL for that role, showing his international pedigree.

I’d hoped to see McB show a glimpse of why we’ve spent £20m on him.

I’d hoped to see KB, showtime slightest reason why we pay him every month.

It's the hope that'll kill you Nic

 

[dc_blade]

Draw at Chelsea: we're brilliant!
Lose to Southampton: we're shit, relegation a real possibility
Beat Everton: we're brilliant!
Lose a meaningless cup game: everyone outside the first XI (and some in it, perhaps) is shit

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

One thing that stood out to me watching the "highlights" was the lack of conviction in shooting. There were a fair few shots on target but none of them had any power behind them. It's like the players were so bothered about making sure it was on target they forgot that it needed to actually go in the back of the net. Last season we got away with this in games, as Billy would be there to poach the half chances if the keeper spilled it or knocked it to one side, but no one put the keeper under pressure after the weak shot.

Watching the highlights of last nights game was like watching a whole team of Didsy's shooting at goal. The keeper had an easy job to do as the shot was so weak and poor.

Is this down to a lack of confidence or lack of quality?

It's a bit like Saturday. If Lunny had played that ball to Robinson, McGoldrick, Clarke or McBurnie I would bet my house the keeper would have saved it, or they'd have taken an extra touch first. Mousset and Sharp are the only two strikers we have that fill me with confidence to hit it cleanly first time and score.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Cranie played against Barnet he didnt make any howlers but didnt stand out either.
We are not man city ,liverpool etc so our back up squad will never rival the first eleven but we have to keep moving forward (improving).
Wilder is doing that but it takes time and money and every signing will not work.
Most fans would have expected us to win that whatever, we lost it's the big one saturday,sunderland has gone.

We are stronger than we have been since 1970!! Thats progress!!

 

[Mojo]

One shit game and all of a sudden all our backup players arnt good enough. Just like everyone who played against Barnet last season wernt good enough eh?

Be a different story when/if they get a game in our settled first time.

West Ham must be proper screwed then getting hammered off Oxford.

 

[ThatJa]

One shit game and all of a sudden all our backup players arnt good enough. Just like everyone who played against Barnet last season wernt good enough eh?

Be a different story when/if they get a game in our settled first time.

West Ham must be proper screwed then getting hammered off Oxford.

Did you go to the Blackburn game? We were attrocious and lucky to win.

 

[Mojo]

Did you go to the Blackburn game? We were attrocious and lucky to win.

Yeah I did, so what? Throw together loads of players who havnt played all season and have never played together, in a shit atmosphere, in a game no one cares about and they play crap. You think that means they are all suddenly useless?

Players who played against Barnet didn't do badly when called upon last season.

Bournemouth played quite a few first teamers last night and lost to Burton. I guess by your rationale players like Fraser and Mepham are crap also?

 

[ThatJa]

Yeah I did, so what? Throw together loads of players who havnt played all season and have never played together, in a shit atmosphere, in a game no one cares about and they play crap. You think that means they are all suddenly useless?

Players who played against Barnet didn't do badly when called upon last season.

Bournemouth played quite a few first readers last night and lost to Burton. I guess by your rationale players like Fraser and Mepham are crap also?

I don't think we ever had more than 2 starting 11 players injured at the same time last season, lets hope that trend continues this year.

 

[robbiez666]

We are short in back-up players because we've just come up with a limited budget and these things take time.

I do think some people are reading too much into the cup performances. Jesse Lingard couldn't beat Rochdale without penalties. Ryan Fraser and Callum Wilson couldn't beat Burton. Robert Snodgrass couldn't beat Oxford.

Play a load of players together for the first time and guess what, they're generally rubbish. You're probably better off playing an entire U-23 side.

The players who played last night are not match fit. The players who played last night would (mostly) look very different after 2-3 league games in a row.

 

[blade67]

Th



There in a nutshell, Dawson went to Watford for £20m or more this summer.

They let 8 in last weekend!

Where did you get this number from.

Sky reported around £5m at the time

 

[kopstander79]

Where did you get this number from.

Sky reported around £5m at the time

Ye £5.5m to be exact still think it’s too much

 

[Boxer Blade]

I didn't go to the Barnet,Blackburn or Sunderland games where we were apparently crap in all three, the players, well most of them have come in for some stick,fair enough but how about Wilder and Knill? We are quick to praise them when we are winning and again rightly so but three cup games and really poor performances raises questions, I expect it will be down to the old concentrating on the league mantra but for the fans that went is that a good enough excuse?

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Are we expecting a clear out then

 

[finlaytheblade]

Did you go to the Blackburn game? We were attrocious and lucky to win.

I did and we played slightly better last night than against Blackburn and we won that one from a team a division higher than mackems.
It was a bad day at the office why not put it to bed and move on ,we,re playing Liverpool you know.!!!

 

[Woodwardfan]

Where did you get this number from.

Sky reported around £5m at the time

Reported on the day, or so I thought, no wonder it sounded a lot!

I follow Watford as have pals there. Supposedly logged it for when I speak to them ( Boxing Day).

At today's prices fair value. Scores his share of goals as well.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Yeah, true. The players Wilder signed are ones we needed. If he splashed on a CB instead of one of the others, we'd end up short elsewhere.

Hopefully, in Jan, the Prince digs in his pockets and frees some cash. If Chambers is too high, go Championship- Dawson at West Brom wouldnt cosy a bomb and is a good, experienced player.

Apparently he went for £5,5m, that makes more sense. Sorry TaipeiBlade ! My mistake.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not only have the back up centre backs shown they are not good enough so have the back up midfielders. It certainly looks to me that Morrison and Besic might as well not be at the club. Hard to say about our attackers when they get zero service.
We were up against a good league one sides reserves last night for Christ sake, how many times have we said it in the past teams can have loads of talent but is is useless when they have no desire, passion or work ethic and that is all that the United players showed last night.
It would seem like some of the comments seen in Roy's view from are correct we are only one or two injuries away from a relegation team. There really is no excuse for a shocking performance. Well done Sunderland they fully deserved that win at least their first eleven know if standards drop someone is waiting to take their place.

Best squad we've seen since 1970, may prove better than them.

What more do you want at the start of year 4 of a miracle?

Calm a bit. Let it all unfold. Nobody is complacent, believe me.

What I do know is at times, PL teams can be easier to play against than a top L1 side, that's football . Nigel Clough makes a career of it! League football is totally different, week in week out.

 

[Blade56]

How the hell did Besic make mom?

Brian, Osbourne, Morrison, Robinson stood out as cause for concern.

 

[snootyfenooty]

United were on a hiding to nothing with that team last night. You can't chuck 11 random players together, most of who are the second string, and expect them to gel immediately. They are the rugby equivalent of the midweek hackers and were played for the simple reason of giving the first teamers a rest. None of them had any real incentive to bust a bollock. Morrison could have scored a hat-trick and nutmegged the entire opposition and Lundstram would still be ahead of him on Saturday. Stearman could have made half a dozen last ditch tackles and bicycle kicked two off the line and Egan would still be playing ahead of him on Saturday.

Therefore what you end up with is a team minus that magic ingredient called adrenaline which the opponents had in abundance and without which you are fucked in a competitive sport. Its like buying a Ferrari and filling it up with low octane petrol, you won't get the best out of it.

0/10 for United both in planning and execution for that game, its all too easy to blame the back-up squad.