Premier league strikers

[Whiston Blade]

Billy will have his best ever season.

Hmm, I can't see that but hope you're right.

 

[Chali 2na]

I just don't see this as I don't think he is a big enough name (which always seems more important in these newer leagues), Everton is more likely but again (as with Burnley) they are collecting strikers so somebody misses out. If we end up with this year's strike force we will not score enough goals, we need at least one good addition (like Hulse last time round), who is enough of a threat to open up the game for our other strikers to get a chance. Lois of people throwing in ideas, many of whom are spent forces and many who will be out of reach.
Chali 2na who is your suggestion? I see you picking off other people's ideas but can't find your choice of a signing.

I'm not saying he's definetly going to China, and I'm not saying he's definetly going to earn £300k somewhere. I'm just saying that the very fact he's been linked with such moves should tell any sensible blades that he'll be well out of our price range.

As for your dig at me in your last 2 sentences; I haven't "picked off" many ideas other than stupid ones, like Mitrovic. Also, I've suggested plenty of names, you've obviously missed them - Realistic striker targets such as McBurnie, Miete and Robinson.

 

[Boxer Blade]

I think some may be a tad disappointed at who we bring in you can see Hogan being one and possibly Madine and IF that happens alongside mcgoldrick and Sharpe that will only leave one more I presume and that isn't going to be a £10 million player, is Washington still here, cannot remember if he is on loan or not.

 

[SwissBlade]

Hmm, I can't see that but hope you're right.

Doesn’t mean he’ll score more than his league one season or this season, but I think he’ll step his game up again. He’s been immense the last few seasons and this season he has been better than ever.

 

[John Snow]

I've read on here that Wilder is very keen on Hogan. Add to that Madine has made it clear he really wants to stay ( I have no idea what Wilders thoughts on him are) and if he does that leaves room for one more. I don't rate Washington at all but again whatever Wilder decides is fine by me.
If we were looking at just one Abraham would be top of my wish list

 

[8lade]

I'm not saying he's definetly going to China, and I'm not saying he's definetly going to earn £300k somewhere. I'm just saying that the very fact he's been linked with such moves should tell any sensible blades that he'll be well out of our price range.

I'd say that this is his agent being a bit too enthusiastic spreading rumours.

As for your dig at me in your last 2 sentences; I haven't "picked off" many ideas other than stupid ones, like Mitrovic. Also, I've suggested plenty of names, you've obviously missed them - Realistic striker targets such as McBurnie, Miete and Robinson.

McBurnie
22 year old Scottish International who's scored 22 championship goals for recent Prem club Swansea City already used to paying and receiving large sums (20m+) for players.
How much do you think Swansea would ask for him?

Robinson
24 year old part of a good season at Championship level. Remember half season Hugill? 8 million, 1.5 seasons ago, not good enough for the Prem.

When you look at it like that all suggestions are stupid, either we can't afford them or they aren't good enough.

 

[PokerBlade]

I think some may be a tad disappointed at who we bring in you can see Hogan being one and possibly Madine and IF that happens alongside mcgoldrick and Sharpe that will only leave one more I presume and that isn't going to be a £10 million player, is Washington still here, cannot remember if he is on loan or not.

The bigger thing for me than the strikers is whether we can recruit well enough to stick to our game plan. I've said it for ages but we make our strikers look good. Clarke's been a better player than he's had credit for till us but mostly his scoring record was because we created so many good chances for him. Same for McGoldrick. He's put in a couple of great goals but the bulk of it is being given great opportunities. And we all know how good Sharp is at finding space in the box but he's only good in a team that works a lot of good balls in for him.

Strikers are expensive and only the very best "guarantee" goals. We're better off sticking with the football we play and looking at wing backs and a Duffy clone and try to rely on working good chances for the likes of Madine, Hogan, or similar.

 

[Chali 2na]

I'd say that this is his agent being a bit too enthusiastic spreading rumours.

You could say that about most rumours. The fact that he's currently on (a reported) £60kpw deal and is being linked with big money moves to China should tell you everything you need to know about the likelihood of this happening.

McBurnie
22 year old Scottish International who's scored 22 championship goals for recent Prem club Swansea City already used to paying and receiving large sums (20m+) for players.
How much do you think Swansea would ask for him?

I'd say they'd probabaly want around £10-£20m. Probabaly half of what Fulham will demand for Mitrovic. His salary would also be a fraction of Mitrovic's.

Not saying it's likely, but at least it's possible.

Robinson
24 year old part of a good season at Championship level. Remember half season Hugill? 8 million, 1.5 seasons ago, not good enough for the Prem.

I think he'll do alright in the PL, and he couldn't be any more different to Hugill- it's a poor, lazy comparison in my opinion.

When you look at it like that all suggestions are stupid, either we can't afford them or they aren't good enough.

That's the nature of being a newly promoted team in the PL. Unless your spending Wolves money, your signings are going to have to be gambles.

Also, you don't know their good enough until you see them playing at that level, in our system. I'm sure I could find plenty of posts telling us that David McGoldrick wasn't good enough for last season when we signed him.

 

[8lade]

think he'll do alright in the PL, and he couldn't be any more different to Hugill- it's a poor, lazy comparison in my opinion.

The comparison is not to highlight like for like players but to show that you can't judge a player after one good season.

I'm sure I could find plenty of posts telling us that David McGoldrick wasn't good enough for last season when we signed him.

I bet you'd struggle with that, I don't recall too much dissention and if there was it would be the usual minority demanding we bought an Assombalonga or Rhodes.

 

[Woodys Thunderbolt]

Hogan, Madine, Washington, Abraham, Ched Evans is better than all of those.

 

[Chali 2na]

The comparison is not to highlight like for like players but to show that you can't judge a player after one good season

That's why I said it's a gamble. If you waited another season and Robinson got 25 goals, his value would treble and he'd likely be out of our price range.

Also, you said you can't judge a player after one season: why did you imply that Robinson wouldn't be good enough? Surely you're judging him too?

I bet you'd struggle with that, I don't recall too much dissention and if there was it would be the usual minority demanding we bought an Assombalonga or Rhodes.

There were plenty of people uninspired and I heard several people say that they didn't think he'd be good enough to make an impact.

 

[super_pig]

Cardiff played majority of the season with a right back up front that’s probs why they went down

tbf they were a little unfortunate with the plane incident fwir

 

[super_pig]

Billy will have his best ever season.

the new Kev Phillips

 

[8lade]

That's why I said it's a gamble.

The thing is we can gamble on 2 or 3 players becoming good enough or buy one who is - gambling is all a bit Neil Warnock to me, which generally doesn't end well.

Also, you said you can't judge a player after one season: why did you imply that Robinson wouldn't be good enough? Surely you're judging him too?

Ok you're going down the semantics route, I'll be more specific: having one good (Championship) season does not make you a good (Championship) player and their are numerous examples of players who have a purple patch in their career only for it never to be repeated. In comparison the names I've put forward are all proven consistent scorers.

There were plenty of people uninspired and I heard several people say that they didn't think he'd be good enough to make an impact.

For sake of this argument I wasn't one of them (and I've checked since it was a while back).

 

[Chali 2na]

The thing is we can gamble on 2 or 3 players becoming good enough or buy one who is - gambling is all a bit Neil Warnock to me, which generally doesn't end well.

That's the point of my argument; we have no choice but to gamble.

Any player good enough to be considered 'not a gamble' and capable of a good PL goal return won't be joining a newly promoted side, especially not one with a limited budget like ourselves or Norwich.

Ok you're going down the semantics route, I'll be more specific: having one good (Championship) season does not make you a good (Championship) player and their are numerous examples of players who have a purple patch in their career only for it never to be repeated. In comparison the names I've put forward are all proven consistent scorers.

Yes the names you put forward are consistent scorers - the point is that they're not realistic proposals though.

 

[8lade]

Ok I'll agree to disagree with you on this.

 

[Gimli]

I very much doubt we can get Maupay and there is no way we'll be paying the wages required to sign Carroll or Mitrovic.

Why do you think we wouldn’t be able to get Maupay? (Genuine question not trying to argue)

We know Brentford will pretty much always sell their players (provided they are at maximum selling value) - it’s their policy.

If others are interested it wouldn’t be surprising but then again, he’s not played in the premier league so I think he would be perfect for us to ‘take a chance’ on him being able to make the step up.

 

[Chali 2na]

Why do you think we wouldn’t be able to get Maupay? (Genuine question not trying to argue)

We know Brentford will pretty much always sell their players (provided they are at maximum selling value) - it’s their policy.

If others are interested it wouldn’t be surprising but then again, he’s not played in the premier league so I think he would be perfect for us to ‘take a chance’ on him being able to make the step up.

I think his value (£20-25m) exceeds what we'll be willing to pay.

Based on what Cardiff spent last year and Wilder's insinuation that we will be operating at a simalar level (financially) to Norwich, I'm guessing we'll have a 'transfer budget' of around £25-45m.
I can't see us spending such huge proportion of our budget on one player.

 

[RammyBlade]

I actually think Maupay is out of our league, there were rumours of bids from top 6 sides earlier during jtw, and i think if theres us in for him, we wont be the only pl side in for him too, think watford, bournemouth et al will give it a gamble too, and weve got far less pull than them tbh

"We wont be the only PL side after him" sounds good doesnt it ? Premier League side !!