Wilder, not so good with transfer market?’

[Robboblade1889]

I haven't got a problem with Madine.

Just the bit about Wilder being the best manager we've ever had.

Yes he is name a better one? Ok people will say Bassett and Warnock because they got us promoted well it’s not all about promotion for me it’s about going to a game win lose or draw and saying wow what a game didn’t we play so well! It’s the complete package with this man winning and winning in style.

He gets players not only running through brick walls but doing with style. I go to every game and am entertained. What other manager have we had where we could say that?

Look I’m not getting into an argument about the manager because it just adds fuel to the nutters who question him. In my opinion of watching united for 30 odd years he is the best in my lifetime.

 

[McGrath]

Pretty much every decent manager has as many duff signings as they do good ones. Just look at some of the turkeys Ferguson signed for ruck loads of money

 

[Ernest]

obviously read so much due to the Madine story, one rule of thumb is trust wilder, he knows what he’s doing! I won’t have a bad word said against him, love everything about him and how we are playing football at the minute. However after thinking about some of his signings I thought I’d rank to see how often he’s not got it right.
I think I’ve been generous with a couple.

James Wilson

Chris Hussey

Jack O'Connell️

John Fleck️

Leon Clarke

Jake Wright

Mark Duffy,️

Caolan Lavery

Harry Chapman

Simon Moore

Ethan Ebanks-Landell

Daniel Lafferty

Reece Brown

Samir Carruthers

James Hanson

Jay O'Shea

Joe Riley

Ched Evans

Nathan Thomas

Enda Stevens️

George Baldock️

Richard Stearman

Jamal Blackman,

John Lundstram

Cameron Carter-Vickers

Clayton Donaldson

Ben Heneghan

Ryan Leonard,

Lee Evans

Ricky Holmes

James Wilson

Dean Henderson️

John Egan️

David McGoldrick️

Ben Woodburn

Kean Bryan

Oliver Norwood.️



=16. 43.25%

=12. 32.45%

️= 9. 24.30%

I know it’s impossible to get every signing right, but 43% failure is not great.

Fingers crossed for the last few pieces of the jigsaw.

There are four our five players there who certainly weren’t failures. Also, how can Leon & Jake Wright just have a tick next to their names?

Good effort. Needs work.

C-

 

[Robboblade1889]

There are four our five players there who certainly weren’t failures. Also, how can Leon & Jake Wright just have a tick next to their names?

Good effort. Needs work.

C-

No it doesn’t he needs to come on say sorry all I was talking shit I take it all back!

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Yes he is name a better one? Ok people will say Bassett and Warnock because they got us promoted well it’s not all about promotion for me it’s about going to a game win lose or draw and saying wow what a game didn’t we play so well! It’s the complete package with this man winning and winning in style.

He gets players not only running through brick walls but doing with style. I go to every game and am entertained. What other manager have we had where we could say that?

Look I’m not getting into an argument about the manager because it just adds fuel to the nutters who question him. In my opinion of watching united for 30 odd years he is the best in my lifetime.

Well you immediately answered your own question in the first two sentences.

 

[Robboblade1889]

Well you immediately answered your own question in the first two sentences.

You genuinely think Bassett and Warnock are better managers? Especially Warnock!

Bassett did wonders and got us promoted through the divisions but by god we played some awful football at times! As for Warnock he isn’t in the same league for me I don’t give a shit how many promotions he has the man is an embarrassment. Can you imagine a Warnock side playing the way Wilder plays? Like I said if anyone said they enjoyed watching Warnock teams more than Wilders they must have a screw loose!

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

You genuinely think Bassett and Warnock are better managers? Especially Warnock!

Bassett did wonders and got us promoted through the divisions but by god we played some awful football at times! As for Warnock he isn’t in the same league for me I don’t give a shit how many promotions he has the man is an embarrassment. Can you imagine a Warnock side playing the way Wilder plays? Like I said if anyone said they enjoyed watching Warnock teams more than Wilders they must have a screw loose!

Don't know about you but I absolutely love seeing the Blades win.

I love seeing us score more goals than the opposition and getting 3 points every week. I love seeing us move up the table and getting promoted. There's nothing better.

That's the whole point of football.

Neil Warnock was better at doing all of that than Chris Wilder is (so far).

 

[BettingBlade]

Load of tosh people are questioning this great manager because they don’t want a player well boo fucking hoo. He makes the decisions at our club and no no matter what the op says the vast majority have been superb.

Why not have a look at what he has spent and what he has recouped? When you spend a minimum amount of money we do on players there is a higher possibility they won’t work, that’s the way it goes.

It’s the level of questioning the manager has had in the last 48 hours. You know what why not just sit back and see what happens? Do you actually think he is going to listen to a few morons telling anyone who will listen they are not going to go again? It’s absolutely pathetic, same at start of season when the usual voices were out in force at our start.

We have watched the best football in the last two years in a generation because of one man. We are third in the division and people feel the need to spend the time the op has on a post trying to prove Wilder is no good at recruiting players. It’s bullshit and you know what it’s idiots like him that will make him think “fuck em they obviously don’t appreciate anything”.

Let him do his job and we should do our job which is to give the team as much backing as we can no matter who pulls on the shirt it’s not difficult you know.

I mean its not a load of tosh you just havent read my post or the thread properly. As Ive said no one is questioning his ability as a football manager. We are undoubtedly a million miles ahead of where we were when he took over but ultimately this is a discussion forum so I'm not sure why youre so upset that the fact that people have been discussing a decision that is likely to divide the fans.

I also agree that CW has had his hands tied in many ways which just goes to make his achievements as our manager even more impressive. I dont for one second think he will listen to any of us and I dont think anyone is expecting him to. This forum is a platform for discussion not a Chris Wilder instuction manual.

If you actually read the op I dont think he has suggested anywhere that Wilder is no good at signing players, yes the title is a bit misleading but fuck me every publication in the world does that with its headlines. You seem to have taken the entire thread out of context. Whichever way you look at it there are signings that havent quite worked out and given the circumstances surrounding this rumour there are certainly legitimate concerns around it.

 

[GrayBlade]

I haven't got a problem with Madine.

Just the bit about Wilder being the best manager we've ever had.

Maybe by the time he’s had his stint with us and moved on he will be PN, and I’m sure you’ll be the first to congratulate him if that’s the case.

Meanwhile, I’m just happy that we’ve got a team to be proud of again and I no longer fall asleep with 20 minutes to go like I did under Clough and Adkins.

 

[Blade58]

Maybe by the time he’s had his stint with us and moved on he will be PN, and I’m sure you’ll be the first to congratulate him if that’s the case.

Meanwhile, I’m just happy that we’ve got a team to be proud of again and I no longer fall asleep with 20 minutes to go like I did under Clough and Adkins.

You did well lasting 70 mins then Gray

 

[Snowman]

Are you sure you do?

No.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Maybe by the time he’s had his stint with us and moved on he will be PN, and I’m sure you’ll be the first to congratulate him if that’s the case.

Meanwhile, I’m just happy that we’ve got a team to be proud of again and I no longer fall asleep with 20 minutes to go like I did under Clough and Adkins.

Chris Wilder is my favourite Blades manager of all time.

I honestly never thought I'd see my team win the league but Wilder actually did it. It was a dream come true for me.

None of this changes the fact that Bassett and Warnock were better than him. They took us to the top division. End of debate.

Unless Wilder gets us into the Premier League he'll never be in the same category as them.

 

[bromtom]

Chris Wilder has performed miracles and to say anything else is utter shite.

The money he's spent is laughable in the company of our peers, yet we're as good if not better, less reliant on players we don't own, and the ones that don't work get shipped back out again usually for profit.

That's not to mention the ones that do work, have you seen United play lately?

 

[Robboblade1889]

Don't know about you but I absolutely love seeing the Blades win.

I love seeing us score more goals than the opposition and getting 3 points every week. I love seeing us move up the table and getting promoted. There's nothing better.

That's the whole point of football.

Neil Warnock was better at doing all of that than Chris Wilder is (so far).

Was he? Im pretty sure Wilder has a better win ratio in his first 2 years than Mr Warnock had bit of course I stand to be corrected. It took Warnock 6 years to get us promoted, Wilder got us promoted in his first season (all be it in league 1) had us challenging last season and has us in 3rd this season. This all done on a fraction of what Warnock spent.

Do you think if we did get promoted wilder would shit his pants like Warnock did? Do you think he will go away to every single club and try and get a draw? Will he blame every single person or object apart from himself?

Football is an entertainment business and I am more entertained with Wilder than I ever was with Mr Warnock. I saw Cardiff last season and you know what you can keep it.

 

[Robboblade1889]

I mean its not a load of tosh you just havent read my post or the thread properly. As Ive said no one is questioning his ability as a football manager. We are undoubtedly a million miles ahead of where we were when he took over but ultimately this is a discussion forum so I'm not sure why youre so upset that the fact that people have been discussing a decision that is likely to divide the fans.

I also agree that CW has had his hands tied in many ways which just goes to make his achievements as our manager even more impressive. I dont for one second think he will listen to any of us and I dont think anyone is expecting him to. This forum is a platform for discussion not a Chris Wilder instuction manual.

If you actually read the op I dont think he has suggested anywhere that Wilder is no good at signing players, yes the title is a bit misleading but fuck me every publication in the world does that with its headlines. You seem to have taken the entire thread out of context. Whichever way you look at it there are signings that havent quite worked out and given the circumstances surrounding this rumour there are certainly legitimate concerns around it.

It’s not misleading he has spent a long time writing that post to try and make a point. Is he going to do this with every signing we make it just the ones he doesn’t agree with so he can come back and say told you so.

He has used it to try and justify some sort of argument why he thinks we should sign a player. Should we not sign anyone because some of the managers signings haven’t worked out? If a player doesn’t work out so be it, the manager will have had good enough reason to bring him in and this manager has afforded the respect to bring in whoever he chooses.

 

[blade67]

obviously read so much due to the Madine story, one rule of thumb is trust wilder, he knows what he’s doing! I won’t have a bad word said against him, love everything about him and how we are playing football at the minute. However after thinking about some of his signings I thought I’d rank to see how often he’s not got it right.
I think I’ve been generous with a couple.

James Wilson

Chris Hussey

Jack O'Connell️

John Fleck️

Leon Clarke

Jake Wright

Mark Duffy,️

Caolan Lavery

Harry Chapman

Simon Moore

Ethan Ebanks-Landell

Daniel Lafferty

Reece Brown

Samir Carruthers

James Hanson

Jay O'Shea

Joe Riley

Ched Evans

Nathan Thomas

Enda Stevens️

George Baldock️

Richard Stearman

Jamal Blackman,

John Lundstram

Cameron Carter-Vickers

Clayton Donaldson

Ben Heneghan

Ryan Leonard,

Lee Evans

Ricky Holmes

James Wilson

Dean Henderson️

John Egan️

David McGoldrick️

Ben Woodburn

Kean Bryan

Oliver Norwood.️



=16. 43.25%

=12. 32.45%

️= 9. 24.30%

I know it’s impossible to get every signing right, but 43% failure is not great.

Fingers crossed for the last few pieces of the jigsaw.

Ha ha
What a load of shit

Manager takes over really shit team in league 1and within 30 months has them 3rd in championship.

And he's crap in the transfer market.

Never heard as much shift in all my life.

And your assessment of his signings is total crap

 

[Robboblade1889]

Ha ha
What a load of shit

Manager takes over really shit team in league 1and within 30 months has them 3rd in championship.

And he's crap in the transfer market.

Never heard as much shift in all my life.

And your assessment of his signings is total crap

His assessment is to try and back up his argument why we shouldn’t sign Gary Madine.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

obviously read so much due to the Madine story, one rule of thumb is trust wilder, he knows what he’s doing! I won’t have a bad word said against him, love everything about him and how we are playing football at the minute. However after thinking about some of his signings I thought I’d rank to see how often he’s not got it right.
I think I’ve been generous with a couple.

James Wilson

Chris Hussey

Jack O'Connell️

John Fleck️

Leon Clarke

Jake Wright

Mark Duffy,️

Caolan Lavery

Harry Chapman

Simon Moore

Ethan Ebanks-Landell

Daniel Lafferty

Reece Brown

Samir Carruthers

James Hanson

Jay O'Shea

Joe Riley

Ched Evans

Nathan Thomas

Enda Stevens️

George Baldock️

Richard Stearman

Jamal Blackman,

John Lundstram

Cameron Carter-Vickers

Clayton Donaldson

Ben Heneghan

Ryan Leonard,

Lee Evans

Ricky Holmes

James Wilson

Dean Henderson️

John Egan️

David McGoldrick️

Ben Woodburn

Kean Bryan

Oliver Norwood.️



=16. 43.25%

=12. 32.45%

️= 9. 24.30%

I know it’s impossible to get every signing right, but 43% failure is not great.

Fingers crossed for the last few pieces of the jigsaw.

Don’t agree with this thread at all, strongly disagree to be honest.

Lavery, O’shea, Chapman - all of these contributed to our promotion - I don’t think Wilder expected any of them to be good enough for the next level but it’s what we needed at the time

Ched - McCabe signed him we all know that

Nathan Thomas - always signed for the future. Might not work out but had no financial risk if it didn’t.

Woodburn - you can’t blame wilder at all, every championship club wanted him. He’s just not as good as everyone thinks and unfortunately it’s us that discovered that

Kean Bryan - Come on, give him a chance

He’s had one bad transfer window in my opinion and that was last January.....that said Millwall love Leonard, he just didn’t work out for us.

Some of the players he’s signed for next to nothing are now worth millions....what’s current market value for O’Connell, Fleck, Norwood, Stevens and Baldock?

Those 5 probably cost us £3m combined with two of them coming on a free.....sell all those 5 in today’s market and you’re easily receiving £20m (Combined) + back

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Was he? Im pretty sure Wilder has a better win ratio in his first 2 years than Mr Warnock had bit of course I stand to be corrected. It took Warnock 6 years to get us promoted, Wilder got us promoted in his first season (all be it in league 1) had us challenging last season and has us in 3rd this season. This all done on a fraction of what Warnock spent.

Warnock took over a team that was heading for relegation and then got us to a 3rd place finish and a play off final in his third full season without spending anything.

 

[sothall blade]

Think the OP is quite right, Wilder out ! let’s get Adkins back with Weir as his number 2 ffs

 

[dublin 10 blade]

I’m not a happy clapper , if I see a problem / think the team played shit , or do something I disagree with I’ll say it .
But I trust our manager, to do what he thinks is best for our and his team , if he thinks a player will benefit push us to the next level , then I will support him .
However I didn’t support our signing of Marlon king , or the cunt Curran , the re signing of Ched I was against also , I know Madine carries an awful lot of baggage ( to say the least ) I’ve jeered him in another thread , but if through gritted teeth Sir Chris thinks he’ll do a job for us then I’ll support his decision, I won’t agree with it but will support our / his club and team .
The same people going into overdrive about these rumors of who we may be going to sign , where probably the same people after we got beat by Millwall away , who thought this club was too big a job for Chris and he wasn’t good enough for us
BTW after that game I said promoted as champions with 100 points .
As always UTB and fuck then wankers from Hillsborough

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Chris Wilder is my favourite Blades manager of all time.

I honestly never thought I'd see my team win the league but Wilder actually did it. It was a dream come true for me.

None of this changes the fact that Bassett and Warnock were better than him. They took us to the top division. End of debate.

Unless Wilder gets us into the Premier League he'll never be in the same category as them.

Disagree with you at times but your last 2 paragraphs are spot on , fair comment

 

[blade67]

His assessment is to try and back up his argument why we shouldn’t sign Gary Madine.

I blame wilder for everything that has happened since he joined us.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

obviously read so much due to the Madine story, one rule of thumb is trust wilder, he knows what he’s doing! I won’t have a bad word said against him, love everything about him and how we are playing football at the minute. However after thinking about some of his signings I thought I’d rank to see how often he’s not got it right.
I think I’ve been generous with a couple.

James Wilson

Chris Hussey

Jack O'Connell️

John Fleck️

Leon Clarke

Jake Wright

Mark Duffy,️

Caolan Lavery

Harry Chapman

Simon Moore

Ethan Ebanks-Landell

Daniel Lafferty

Reece Brown

Samir Carruthers

James Hanson

Jay O'Shea

Joe Riley

Ched Evans

Nathan Thomas

Enda Stevens️

George Baldock️

Richard Stearman

Jamal Blackman,

John Lundstram

Cameron Carter-Vickers

Clayton Donaldson

Ben Heneghan

Ryan Leonard,

Lee Evans

Ricky Holmes

James Wilson

Dean Henderson️

John Egan️

David McGoldrick️

Ben Woodburn

Kean Bryan

Oliver Norwood.️



=16. 43.25%

=12. 32.45%

️= 9. 24.30%

I know it’s impossible to get every signing right, but 43% failure is not great.

Fingers crossed for the last few pieces of the jigsaw.

Whether we agree with your assessment or not, do you know where the HUGE flaw in your argument is? I bet you haven't a clue have you?

You've only considered "incoming" transfers. You've not done an analysis of all the shit he's got rid of.

Mate - if you want to play with numbers - make sure you understand them. Some of us do.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Why is James Wilson on twice?

Two different men.One a CB who scored in Wilders first win, v Oxford United, in League one.The other a Man United loanee now at Aberdeen.
First one scored for Lincoln City same day as Man United loanee scored for us.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

You sure you know who you are talking about with James Wilson? Man U show pony?

AWF meant the other lad.
A CB who scored v Oxford United.

 

[mancunianblade]

Judging a manager with the benefit of hindsight is hardly fair. A manager should be judged with how he handles the players he signs.

 

[Gannon's perm]

No star for Jake Wright.....one of the best readers of the game seen at the lane and plucked from obscurity. Then no star for Leon. Important goals in league 1 and 19 last term. 19 goal striker in the championship is worth a pot of gold. His goal and performance against the pigs alone get him a star.

Can't even be bothered to analyse the rest after seeing these two be devalued.

 

[wizadry]

No it doesn’t he needs to come on say sorry all I was talking shit I take it all back!

A definite overreaction to the OP imho but if you take time out to look at his ratings I think there could be 5 crosses upped a level to a tick and a couple of ticks made into stars, this makes Wilders record a lot better than he and myself included first thought.

Another thing you have to take into consideration is that the ones that we got on free transfers shouldn’t really be judged too harshly or judged at all so it makes it slightly better still.

What I’m trying to say is there are ways to bring the OP down without too much fuss, unless there’s something I’m missing?

Madine is apparently on the cusp of coming in so it’s probably triggered his mind to start a thread on how he’s done with previous transfers, that’s how a lot of threads occur on forums, in the moment. What does it have to do with if he wants Madine to sign or not? I think it’s interesting to gauge how well Wilder has done anyway.

Wilders my favourite ever Blades manager by the way who will achieve greatness at this club if he ever gets the tools to deliver, infact he’s that good he’ll probably do it without the tools but don’t tell any of our chairmen that.

 

[wizadry]

Whether we agree with your assessment or not, do you know where the HUGE flaw in your argument is? I bet you haven't a clue have you?

You've only considered "incoming" transfers. You've not done an analysis of all the shit he's got rid of.

Mate - if you want to play with numbers - make sure you understand them. Some of us do.

The title is misleading, he obviously doesn’t mean the whole transfer market but doing the out goings could be ok for another thread? Make Wilder look even better.