Craft bar shambles

[Sean Thornton]

Nice try but I'm not biting as I can't really believe that anyone so is gullible that they believe that opening a new pub business in an existing building can be considered to be "manufacturing", or that opening 5 pubs in another country constitutes "exporting", particularly when the majority of product that those pubs sell will be sourced locally and all trading will be in local currency.

If anybody really is that gullible I'm afraid I just don't have the patience to explain all those things that they obviously couldn't be bothered to learn at school.

Brexit thread has been closed and despite much puss taking this thread has remained civil up to now.

 

[Almosthuman]

That's because it tastes of something. When I was (very) young and daft and just started drinking, like most people my age I drank branded "British lager" - Kestrel, Norseman, Skol, Carling (although this is Canadian, but no less mediocre for that!). It was weak and bland but you could put a lot away without looking daft in front of your mates. However, it was expensive and foul, and I moved onto bitter and stout, though I had to work at this! That's it you see, you have to work at this over time. It's not about being a pretentious twat, just that we get used to familiar tastes, so you have to try stuff more than once. Having said that, I've tried Carling on many occasions (most recently in the Cricks on "beam back day 2016" as there was no other beer left), and it was as rank as it has been since about 1975. I drank it though!

Thing is, and I totally accept your point about sticking with it and you’ll enjoy it, whisky is the same.

But whilst I agree Carling is foul alongside other similar brands like fosters and carslberg. I think likes of Stella, Peroni, Moretti, Estella, orangeboom, hoegarden etc are a lovely drink

 

[blackydog]

No, craft beer, it's different! "Real ale" is served from hand pumps. When I last looked there were none at BDTBL. "Craft beer" is usually keg pumps and is beer which tastes of summat other than gas (apologies to you Carling fans out there!). For a better beer experience than the ground's overpriced bars, try the recently reopened Sentinel bar on Shoreham Street. Real quality beer, "real" and "craft" all £3 a pint. No, they're not paying me, but we all deserve good beer!!!! Sorry for the pedantry!!!

Never realised that. Just thought the two were closely related or same thing. You are right about the BL Craft ale bar, it is not handpumps (thank the lord, we'd never get served).

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Bloody'ell did someone get Crocs for Christmas instead of sandals?

See, P'sPC, there you go, making assumptions again. I actually have a very nice pair of cherry red DM's. Not worn any sort of sandal since I was in junior school. I wear a black motor bike jacket as I ride a black motor bike. In all weathers. I'm not a snowflake or hipster. I just like beer which is different!!

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Thing is, and I totally accept your point about sticking with it and you’ll enjoy it, whisky is the same.

But whilst I agree Carling is foul alongside other similar brands like fosters and carslberg. I think likes of Stella, Peroni, Moretti, Estella, orangeboom, hoegarden etc are a lovely drink

Cheers Almost. Have a like! I totally agree with your list of jolly fine beers (Stella is better in Europe though - it's still 5.2% rather than the emasculated 4.8% version we get here!!). I like whisky too!

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Never realised that. Just thought the two were closely related or same thing. You are right about the BL Craft ale bar, it is not handpumps (thank the lord, we'd never get served).

Glad to be of assistance Blackydog!

 

[Pierre's PC]

See, P'sPC, there you go, making assumptions again. I actually have a very nice pair of cherry red DM's. Not worn any sort of sandal since I was in junior school. I wear a black motor bike jacket as I ride a black motor bike. In all weathers. I'm not a snowflake or hipster. I just like beer which is different!!

You sound like an absolute maniac. Someone we should aspire to be rather than an Instagram THOT or youtube creator

/salute

 

[blackydog]

Glad to be of assistance Blackydog!

Yeah thanks. Not that I really care, I drink it if I like it, however it's delivered. If it wasn't for the Craft Bar I don't think I'd drink at all in BL.
ps Did I see small bottles of Carlsberg £3.80 at the normal bars?

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

You sound like an absolute maniac. Someone we should aspire to be rather than an Instagram THOT or youtube creator

/salute

Ta for that P'sPC, much appreciated, although if we met you'd see I'm less maniac, more crusty old beery biker! Anyone who aspires to be a crusty old beery biker, or maniac, is fine by me!

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

In their defence... it’s almost impossible to pour and serve some ales quickly. They take too long to ‘settle’ so by the time you get back to your seat half of its disappeared!

 

[Maidenhead]

Brexit thread has been closed and despite much puss taking this thread has remained civil up to now.

As am I at all times

 

[Pollingtonblade]

As am I at all times

Reet Pale Tomorrow chief

 

[Maidenhead]

Reet Pale Tomorrow chief

Now you're fishing Lesmondo old chap.

I'll definitely be looking for something much more palatable

 

[blackydog]

In their defence... it’s almost impossible to pour and serve some ales quickly. They take too long to ‘settle’ so by the time you get back to your seat half of its disappeared!

Some of 'em couldn't pull a pint of watter!!

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Now you're fishing Lesmondo old chap.

I'll definitely be looking for something much more palatable

I actually forgot you don’t like it for a second ha

 

[Upton_Blade]

Ahhhh Tim Martin, the relentless Brexit campaigner who has never exported, or manufactured anything in his life.

Whilst I really dislike Wetherspoons pubs and do my upmost to avoid them at all times it makes me laugh when people question Tim Martin's business acumen.

I'd hazard a guess there isn't a single member of this board that has had even 10% of his success.

 

[Maidenhead]

Whilst I really dislike Wetherspoons pubs and do my upmost to avoid them at all times it makes me laugh when people question Tim Martin's business acumen.

I'd hazard a guess there isn't a single member of this board that has had even 10% of his success.

Completely agree with all of that.

I've never questioned his business acumen.

All I've said is that he's not a manufacturer or an exporter and on that basis Brexit won't affect his businesses in the same way as it will many others.

At the end of the day though his only interest is in himself and his business.

 

[Tom Bott]

The fall in the value of the pound will still benefit that miniscule part of his business as he will be getting a much better margin buying in sterling and selling in Euros so no doubt the last 2 years of uncertainty have done him some short term good.

In February, the International Monetary Fund said the sterling was overvalued by somewhere between 5% and 15% in 2015.

Enough of this off topic Brexit rubbish argue YOUR case with the IMF.

 

[S64 Blade]

In February, the International Monetary Fund said the sterling was overvalued by somewhere between 5% and 15% in 2015.

Enough of this off topic Brexit rubbish argue YOUR case with the IMF.

Sterling is undervalued as of today. Which is why you still see the FTSE indexes still doing so well, particularly those non-national businesses which are listed.

It was over before the referendum though, you’re right.

 

[blackydog]

Craft beer is to good drinking as the Kardashians are to the human race.

Why do you say that mate?

 

[Bill Johnson]

Why do you say that mate?

I feel they are overpriced and served way too cold. Hate the whole concept.

 

[YouFUMS]

Haha, nowt like me though. More 80s - 90s Ben Sherman or Fred Perry tbh, and I do like a pair of unusual shoes.
Just had a thought are you MH?

Yes mate. Got your text yesterday, but was in Glasgow for a family do.

 

[Sean Thornton]

For the aficionados, here’s your next “fashion” item to wear while drinking a gill of Festers Knobcheese IPA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-46634598/lederhosen-love-among-austria-s-millennials


Don’t be confused or frightened by the “women” wearing “dresses” mentioned though. (These are simply the same thing as the crop haired dungaree wearing more masculine type of craft ale experts you’ll see going into toilets marked “Sisters” at the Cock and Stinky Beard) only not as fat, sweaty and with much less facial and body hair.

Happy New Year!

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

At last. I thought this thread would never start up again. I am, of course, a self appointed expert on All Things Beer. I'm a little frustrated at posters saying (equivalent of) Craft Beer Is Shit. As if, there is a single "brand" called Craft Beer. I've drunk the sourest of sour pale yellow Craft Beers & the sweetest of sweet jet black Vanilla Stout Craft Beers. And every colour & mix of sweet, bitter & sour in between. abvs from 2.4% to 10.4%. I understand people want to criticise the lifestyle of layabouts such as me & (apparently) what colour my trousers are. But, there really is no such single thing as Craft Beer, just like not all trousers are purple & not all footwear are sandals.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I feel they are overpriced and served way too cold. Hate the whole concept.

I take your points about price & temperature. But, if I drink a beer, any beer, and I like it, then I'll be honest, I ain't gonna worry too much about the whole concept of it.

 

[Bill Johnson]

I take your points about price & temperature. But, if I drink a beer, any beer, and I like it, then I'll be honest, I ain't gonna worry too much about the whole concept of it.

Agree Phil. Just never had one I've enjoyed wwhereas I do love cask ales.
Have you had any from Mexboroughs Concertina brewery?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I must admit, I was very sceptical about the "Craft" beer thing when it first appeared as "Craft Keg". I was suspicious because they were taking some of my favourite cask ales at the time (Thornbridge Jaipur and Buxton Axe Edge as two examples) and turning them into keg beers and charging almost double the price. Considering these "craft keg" versions don't incur the wastage that is normal with keg and considering they last for weeks and weeks, whereas cask only has a few days, I couldn't see the justification in charging more for a start. But also, I don't think they tasted as good as the cask versions. I also am not keen on the cold and gassy taste, compared to cask. So, I can completely see where Bill is coming from on this, however...

I travel a lot, in the UK and abroad and this "craft" ale movement isn't just confined to the UK. I was in Rome a while ago and visited this amazing place called "Eataly". Like a shopping mall on several floors selling the best of Italian produce. On the top floor is a restaurant and bar selling dozens of locally made beers, mainly keg, but the quality was outstanding. Picture below.

Similarly in Copenhagen, I paid a visit to the Mikeller bar, picture below...

Fantastic range of beers and the range of tastes from sour to sweet, light to strong, spicy, fruity, whatever...it's opened my eyes to possibilities that beer doesn't have to taste like the bitter dregs I used to swig from the leftovers in bottles of my Uncle's "Double Diamond" or my Granny's "Mackeson".

I still prefer cask though, but there are some great craft beers to be had. One of my favourite craft breweries is this one...

https://cloudwaterbrew.co/

And it's on our doorstep.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Agree Phil. Just never had one I've enjoyed wwhereas I do love cask ales.
Have you had any from Mexboroughs Concertina brewery?

Maybe in the dim & distant past. But, none recently. I'm actually "in a national competition" to see who can visit the most breweries in a May to May year, so a visit to The Concertina would suit me well. I've not been able to make it work around an SUFC fixture this season yet. Needs sorting out. I'm in the happy position of enjoying lots/most real ales & craft keg. But, I'm painting myself as being FOR the beers I like, not AGAINST the beers others like.

 

[Bill Johnson]

I must admit, I was very sceptical about the "Craft" beer thing when it first appeared as "Craft Keg". I was suspicious because they were taking some of my favourite cask ales at the time (Thornbridge Jaipur and Buxton Axe Edge as two examples) and turning them into keg beers and charging almost double the price. Considering these "craft keg" versions don't incur the wastage that is normal with keg and considering they last for weeks and weeks, whereas cask only has a few days, I couldn't see the justification in charging more for a start. But also, I don't think they tasted as good as the cask versions. I also am not keen on the cold and gassy taste, compared to cask. So, I can completely see where Bill is coming from on this, however...

I travel a lot, in the UK and abroad and this "craft" ale movement isn't just confined to the UK. I was in Rome a while ago and visited this amazing place called "Eataly". Like a shopping mall on several floors selling the best of Italian produce. On the top floor is a restaurant and bar selling dozens of locally made beers, mainly keg, but the quality was outstanding. Picture below.

Similarly in Copenhagen, I paid a visit to the Mikeller bar, picture below...

Fantastic range of beers and the range of tastes from sour to sweet, light to strong, spicy, fruity, whatever...it's opened my eyes to possibilities that beer doesn't have to taste like the bitter dregs I used to swig from the leftovers in bottles of my Uncle's "Double Diamond" or my Granny's "Mackeson".

I still prefer cask though, but there are some great craft beers to be had. One of my favourite craft breweries is this one...

https://cloudwaterbrew.co/

And it's on our doorstep.

Like you I'm fortunate in that I travel a lot and agree with you regarding the proliferation of craft beer brewing abroad. I've visited tiny micro breweries in small Spanish and Mallorcan towns; in Budapest: Munich; Lisbon; New York and Malta just in the past 12 months and find it fascinating. Funnily enough I enjoy a pint of the stuff in the summer heat of Iberia but not in the UK.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Maybe in the dim & distant past. But, none recently. I'm actually "in a national competition" to see who can visit the most breweries in a May to May year, so a visit to The Concertina would suit me well. I've not been able to make it work around an SUFC fixture this season yet. Needs sorting out. I'm in the happy position of enjoying lots/most real ales & craft keg. But, I'm painting myself as being FOR the beers I like, not AGAINST the beers others like.

I got no problem with what anyone drinks. It's a free choice. Be boring without different opinions though.