Craft bar shambles

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Like you I'm fortunate in that I travel a lot and agree with you regarding the proliferation of craft beer brewing abroad. I've visited tiny micro breweries in small Spanish and Mallorcan towns; in Budapest: Munich; Lisbon; New York and Malta just in the past 12 months and find it fascinating. Funnily enough I enjoy a pint of the stuff in the summer heat of Iberia but not in the UK.
Can you remember the name & details of the Malta one? Please?
 

Oh yeah. I know the one you mean. I'd forgotten about that one.


2 nice ones on Mallorca are in Alcudia town and Soller. Both more than worth a visit not least because the former is a lovely old town and the latter indescribably beautiful.
Cerveza Artisana and Sullerica Cerveza Artesana.
 
I must admit, I was very sceptical about the "Craft" beer thing when it first appeared as "Craft Keg". I was suspicious because they were taking some of my favourite cask ales at the time (Thornbridge Jaipur and Buxton Axe Edge as two examples) and turning them into keg beers and charging almost double the price. Considering these "craft keg" versions don't incur the wastage that is normal with keg and considering they last for weeks and weeks, whereas cask only has a few days, I couldn't see the justification in charging more for a start. But also, I don't think they tasted as good as the cask versions. I also am not keen on the cold and gassy taste, compared to cask. So, I can completely see where Bill is coming from on this, however...

I travel a lot, in the UK and abroad and this "craft" ale movement isn't just confined to the UK. I was in Rome a while ago and visited this amazing place called "Eataly". Like a shopping mall on several floors selling the best of Italian produce. On the top floor is a restaurant and bar selling dozens of locally made beers, mainly keg, but the quality was outstanding. Picture below.

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Similarly in Copenhagen, I paid a visit to the Mikeller bar, picture below...

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Fantastic range of beers and the range of tastes from sour to sweet, light to strong, spicy, fruity, whatever...it's opened my eyes to possibilities that beer doesn't have to taste like the bitter dregs I used to swig from the leftovers in bottles of my Uncle's "Double Diamond" or my Granny's "Mackeson".

I still prefer cask though, but there are some great craft beers to be had. One of my favourite craft breweries is this one...

https://cloudwaterbrew.co/

And it's on our doorstep.

Been to the Mikeller Bars in Copenhagen, San Francisco and Los Angeles (both of the latter cities have great brew pubs and beer bars these days).
 
Craft beer is a shambles

there are breweries all round the world who have perfected the art of brewing beer over centuries ..... some kids funded by jobs they've had in banks & finance or funded by family money think they can do better ....

the arrogance......
 
If I wanna get drunk then I drink Stella, if I don't then I will have Carling. What I don't do is stand at the bar in my oversized Christmas jumper boring the barmaid with tales of drinking Mr Peddleworths nut butter while choosing my next tipple. Ooh I'll have a half of Karen's Greasy Fanny, I heard it has the aroma of smug and an anchovy aftertaste.

Real ale drinkers - twats

Karen's Greasy Fanny.

Ummmmm.
 
Craft beer is a shambles

there are breweries all round the world who have perfected the art of brewing beer over centuries ..... some kids funded by jobs they've had in banks & finance or funded by family money think they can do better ....

the arrogance......


I have to admit I find it hard not to look at it as pretentious bollox. My main things though are temperature and price. I am always amazed to see a single body in The Albion on match day as I walk past . I've bought Thai brides for less than a pint of Sentinel product!
 
Some priceless interventions on here. People AGAINST what others prefer to drink. Brewers & drinkers being vilified for where they used to work. If only it were possible to find a pub which sells stuff like Carling, Greene King, Heineken & other brand beer. Then the haters could just buy a pint in there. It must be so difficult for them.
My wife is a happy investor in a handful of UK Craft Breweries. You know, with the money she made in Banking (FFS). Neither she nor me have ever bought a beer & seethed at the audacity of somone else in the bar drinking a different beer. I just don't get that....
 
I have to admit I find it hard not to look at it as pretentious bollox. My main things though are temperature and price. I am always amazed to see a single body in The Albion on match day as I walk past . I've bought Thai brides for less than a pint of Sentinel product!
Blimey, where can I find these Thai brides for less than three quid?
 
Some priceless interventions on here. People AGAINST what others prefer to drink. Brewers & drinkers being vilified for where they used to work. If only it were possible to find a pub which sells stuff like Carling, Greene King, Heineken & other brand beer. Then the haters could just buy a pint in there. It must be so difficult for them.
My wife is a happy investor in a handful of UK Craft Breweries. You know, with the money she made in Banking (FFS). Neither she nor me have ever bought a beer & seethed at the audacity of somone else in the bar drinking a different beer. I just don't get that....


Talking about seething, shouldnt it be “she nor I” ?

:rolleyes:
 

If £2.80 is a decent price for a pint of 4% branded lager. Can someone explain whether & why £5.60 is expensive for a pint of 8% craft IPA. Given the amount of alcohol is double. And the time taken to reach Buffoon Status is halved. I do like to see how others see it. In my extensive research on the subject, I firmly believe it's cheaper to get addled on high abv craft beer. Sorry, I don't know how to post a link to my spreadsheet
 
If £2.80 is a decent price for a pint of 4% branded lager. Can someone explain whether & why £5.60 is expensive for a pint of 8% craft IPA. Given the amount of alcohol is double. And the time taken to reach Buffoon Status is halved. I do like to see how others see it. In my extensive research on the subject, I firmly believe it's cheaper to get addled on high abv craft beer. Sorry, I don't know how to post a link to my spreadsheet
Sorry, I can't explain it
 
If £2.80 is a decent price for a pint of 4% branded lager. Can someone explain whether & why £5.60 is expensive for a pint of 8% craft IPA. Given the amount of alcohol is double. And the time taken to reach Buffoon Status is halved. I do like to see how others see it. In my extensive research on the subject, I firmly believe it's cheaper to get addled on high abv craft beer. Sorry, I don't know how to post a link to my spreadsheet

I paid 4.40 for an 8.2% cask/hand pull stout at the weekend, which I thought was very good value, it was from Tollgate, their seasonal version of their "Rasputin" imperial Russian stout.

Will be on that tonight later on, for new year.
 
I paid 4.40 for an 8.2% cask/hand pull stout at the weekend, which I thought was very good value, it was from Tollgate, their seasonal version of their "Rasputin" imperial Russian stout.

Will be on that tonight later on, for new year.


Letters to Viz/Letterbox aren’t as funny as they used to be........
 
...... brewed in Leningrad by Boney M?

what a silly name compared with Sam Smith or Timothy Taylor at least I believe the name of the bloke who founded the brewery.
Brilliant vorpal blade I love "theme drinking". But, I've been running out of ideas. 2019, I'm going for that. Only drinking beers named after the bloke who founded the brewery. I don't know why I never thought of that before. Thanks Man....
 
but the stupid names just add to the artificiality of the whole 'culture' -

the names conjure up images of grubby men with stuff stuck in their beards pondering a hurriedly concocted fake connoisseurship ... based on a pop wine tasting lexicon they saw Jilly whatsername using on TV.

The reason I don't like it is because it has squeezed out many a good honest beer in many a pub particularly in Sheffield so I have to drink lager and it's fake old-fashioned with the faux tradition of a Barretts House with "georgian windows".
 
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...... brewed in Leningrad by Boney M?

what a silly name compared with Sam Smith or Timothy Taylor at least I believe the name of the bloke who founded the brewery.

er.....no, brewed by Tollgate Brewery in Leicestershire, as I said. The owner is a Sheffield lad who still lives here.
 
why does it refer to Imperial Russia then?


(I'm going to take a wild guess, it's 'based on' some bottle sent to Tsar Nicholas by Bass that wasn't brewed by a Sheffielder exiled to Leicestershire?)
 
but the stupid names just add to the artificiality of the whole 'culture' -

the names conjure up images of grubby men with stuff stuck in their beards pondering a hurriedly concocted fake connoisseurship ... based on a pop wine tasting lexicon they saw Jilly whatsername using on TV.

It's no dafter than "Magnet" from John Smiths, which is another beer I like, or "Double Diamond" for those of you old enough to remember that one.

It's just a play on words based on the Russian description of alcohol (things less than about 8% were not considered alcoholic, and anything stronger was only for the royal family, etc.)

I don't have a beard, am usually smartly dressed, and don't ponder stuff, I just like drinking beer and supporting the Blades.

By the way, there are enough lads on here who know me in the real world and will vouch for the fact I don't dress like a scruff!
 
why does it refer to Imperial Russia then?


(I'm going to take a wild guess, it's 'based on' some bottle sent to Tsar Nicholas by Bass that wasn't brewed by a Sheffielder exiled to Leicestershire?)

Answered it after I posted the first one pal, it is based on the fact that anything below a certain strength is not even considered alcohol in Russia.

My first ever business trip to Moscow, mid 90's, and I was in the company of a very scary bloke and his gang (he treated me like a king, but I could tell you stories that would make you wonder what background he had), anyway, his "team" came to pick me up from the hotel one day (always mob handed and always in a convoy of brand new Mitsubishi Shoguns, a popular, and huge, 4x4 at the time) and as it was a hot day, the guy in the front seat turns round and says "hot......drink?", so I nodded, they pulled up at a news stand next to the road, and came back with bottles of cold beer!, it was a 5% lager type of drink, I looked at the driver, swigging away while driving, and said to his mate, "this is....ok?" and pointed to the bottle and then at the driver. He just gave my a puzzled look, like I was saying you should not drive while drinking water.
 
but the stupid names just add to the artificiality of the whole 'culture' -

the names conjure up images of grubby men with stuff stuck in their beards pondering a hurriedly concocted fake connoisseurship ... based on a pop wine tasting lexicon they saw Jilly whatsername using on TV.

The reason I don't like it is because it has squeezed out many a good honest beer in many a pub particularly in Sheffield so I have to drink lager and it's fake old-fashioned with the faux tradition of a Barretts House with "georgian windows".

Most of that is curmudgeonly nonsense.

Who cares what it’s called if it tastes good? What’s wrong with having artwork on the can which is a collaboration with a local artist / designer? You can give stuff like this as much or as little attention as you think it merits, the key point is there is so much beer, for every palate and every thirst, and lots of it tastes great. Fill yer boots. Brewed with love rather than a chemical formula. By businesses who often live reasonably locally, spend their profits locally and pay their fair share of tax.
 

oh and while we are at it, full disclosure, I prefer decent single Malt to Bells Whisky, Chase Vodka to Smirnoff, and Chase or Brokers to Gordons Gin.

EDIT: and if I fancy single grain rather than single Malt, I get the ten quid one from Aldi.
 

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