Woodburn

[robbiez666]

As for Woodburn, he just looks all at sea. He's clearly not on the pace and International football is hardly pacey. The problem is, the best way for him to get up to speed is play 2/3 full games, which is unlikely to happen unless Duffy gets injured.

 

[FMBlade1]

So an 18 year old gets 45 minutes against a good Championship team set up to frustrate away from home and 10 minutes against another decent team, when all his team mates are having an off day.

I'd say that is more than enough 'evidence' to hang draw and quarter him.

Get the pitchforks!

If Ched Evans had performed like he has.....

I don't care how old a player is, I expect good performances for SUFC and if they don't/aren't cutting it they get criticized.

Its not hanging him, it's calling it was it is, in my opinion of course (clearly not alone)

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Jesus Christ he’s an 18 year old lad thrust into a championship game with limited experience with the hope he might influence what was a poor team performance. What do people expect? Seriously?

I understand your point - but we have seen him more than just tonight, and there is very little to go back in his report to Liverpool.

Not convinced we actually know where to play him, which can't help the lad at all.

UTB

 

[Ricky]

Given that he was rated (by many) above Brooks, that’s surely a hindsight post.

I wasn't one of those. I wasn't thrilled when we signed him, not least because we should have been replacing Brooks with a permanent signing.

He's looked below the standard (and readiness) expected and we had 5 weeks to look at him before the final transfer window shut.

Hopefully in January we can bring in a suitable player permanently.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

I hope someone bookmarks this thread and throws it back at me, and I would be delighted to be proved wrong and humiliated on what I'm about to say....

.....I just don't think he's up to it. He seems like the type of luxury player who needs high quality around him to make him shine, and if he's not getting the games (quite rightly) I can see him returning to Liverpool in January.

I do fear he will become the next Stefan Scougall. Ridiculously early days I know, nothing personal no agenda no scapegoating etc, it's just based on what I've seen

I've never been more excited by a signing in years yet he just doesn't seem cut out for this level as of yet, and I don't think we have the time to develop him.

As I said, tin hat on, and would love to regret this thread....

UTB

Don't be so apologetic about criticism pal, the easily offended will still be easily offended no matter how much you sugar coat it, I find the best policy is just wade in and call it as you see it. Woodburn has been poor so far, whether he's 18 or not, or whether the easily offended brigade make up as many excuses as they want to defend him, the benchmark is out on the park and at the moment he's not cutting it.

 

[spongebobblade]

I understand your point - but we have seen him more than just tonight, and there is very little to go back in his report to Liverpool.

Not convinced we actually know where to play him, which can't help the lad at all.

UTB

Possibly agree with your second point but the lads probably not even played 180 minutes never mind had a settled run to get into his stride. He obviously possesses quality but it might just take a little time to shine through

 

[FMBlade1]

Don't be so apologetic about criticism pal, the easily offended will still be easily offended no matter how much you sugar coat it, I find the best policy is just wade in and call it as you see it. Woodburn has been poor so far, whether he's 18 or not, or whether the easily offended brigade make up as many excuses as they want to defend him, the benchmark is out on the park and at the moment he's not cutting it.

Yes, I've already been accused for having pitchforks out for Woodburn and want to hang him, not literally of course, even so.

Its very strange.

 

[spongebobblade]

Don't be so apologetic about criticism pal, the easily offended will still be easily offended no matter how much you sugar coat it, I find the best policy is just wade in and call it as you see it. Woodburn has been poor so far, whether he's 18 or not, or whether the easily offended brigade make up as many excuses as they want to defend him, the benchmark is out on the park and at the moment he's not cutting it.

I think “easily offended” translates to “level headed”. Nobodies saying he’s set the world on fire, but what do you expect from a few scattered minutes here and there? Not defending him at all, just saying give the lad a chance, he’s barely played

 

[ucandomagic]

Woodburn is an expensive loanee from Liverpool - he is not an 18 year old from our Academy. He shows no interest at all in playing for us. Compare his attitude to Hendo. I would send him back now - another James Wilson. He had as much impact tonight as a jelly thrown at a wall. You don’t need the ball to run your bollocks off and move the opposition around - I worked up more of a sweat catching my train.

 

[JackSUFC]

Writing him off 8 games into the season when he’s barely featured. If he’s done nothing come January fair enough but fook me, some people need to chill out and have some patience.

 

[Stretch]

Really don't like what I've seen of him so far.

He looks like your typical player who's been plucked out of the PL development league.

Very poor to only have him as backup for Duffy.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see McG deployed in the CAM role as well. He certainly has Duffy type skills. But he is another player the wrong side of 30 so we can't rely on him going all season free of injury.
I wonder if Johnson could become an option, due to his pace?

 

[Stretch]

Washington is no where near the standard we need upfront. I actually felt sorry for him.

He had little to work with tonight though tbf. A few decent crosses in that he maybe could have anticipated better but not a lot played behind for him to run onto, which is his game. I think we should give him a few more matches before writing him off.

 

[knowsnowt]

Great. A scapegoat already signed up in leu of Lunnys departure.
#forwardthinking

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Great. A scapegoat already signed up in leu of Lunnys departure.
#forwardthinking

Both Scousers mate. As the done goes: Always the victims, never their fault...

 

[SteveBlade]

There are two types of posts in this thread.

'He's been shit at the football so far'

'Leave him alone he's a child'

 

[TheGoatPenguin]

Got to give all young players below 21 or played less than 100 career game a bit of breathing space and patience. They're learning and prone to mistakes at that age and negative comments does impact them.

No Woodburn hasn't been good enough for our first team yet and might not be for us. People seem to compare him to Duffy but he plays the same position but they are quite different players and at different experience levels. Woodburn doesn't look the type to take players on like Duffy but thought his link up play looked quiet good.

Overall he needs games and a bit of patience, might not do it for us but the lad will have a good career based on what I've seen.

 

[Punk Blade]

My concern with Woodburn is I don’t know what his skill set is for playing the AM role. He doesn’t look to have pace, doesn’t appear to have quick feet or dribbling ability and doesn’t seem to find forward passes to play a team mate in. Can he ping them in the top corner from 25 yards if given space to shoot?

Duffy has very quick feet and can sometimes drift past opponents without needing lots of pace, and plays very intelligent balls for runners cutting in from wide areas. Crossing and shooting is generally quite solid. Brooks had pace to spare and a trick or two, and was very composed with one-on-ones. I don’t see Woodburn having any of this

 

[Liverpool blade]

The Liverpool fans I’ve talked to keep telling me that we need to give him time?.
I’d have to agree with them and that’s not easy to agree with a scouser!!!!.
He’s only 18 and this is his first time away from Liverpool and he’s suddenly thrust into a situation like last night when the whole team were poor and we expect him to be a world beater!!!. FFS.
Brooks is better but he had the situation of being chucked out of Man City because they thought he was shite at 16 and he’s gone on to prove them wrong!!.
We know that wilder will give woodburn some more game time and hopefully he’ll come good but we need to give the young lad a break please?. UTB

 

[sufcboy95]

He doesn’t play long enough to have an impact. Plus people were expecting him to be as good as brooks (even heard some fans say he was an upgrade) but unfortunately he isn’t

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

He's played 55...yes 55 Mins and he's judged as shite already.

To put into context, most club legends we've had were probably shite in their first 55 mins. Jags is one of them.

Egan was shite in his first 55mins, one of the first names on the sheet now.
O'Connell was shite in his first 3 full games.... club favourite now.

 

[super_pig]

I hope someone bookmarks this thread and throws it back at me, and I would be delighted to be proved wrong and humiliated on what I'm about to say....

.....I just don't think he's up to it. He seems like the type of luxury player who needs high quality around him to make him shine, and if he's not getting the games (quite rightly) I can see him returning to Liverpool in January.

I do fear he will become the next Stefan Scougall. Ridiculously early days I know, nothing personal no agenda no scapegoating etc, it's just based on what I've seen

I've never been more excited by a signing in years yet he just doesn't seem cut out for this level as of yet, and I don't think we have the time to develop him.

As I said, tin hat on, and would love to regret this thread....

UTB

being thrown on into a clusterfuck ten minutes from the end every time isn't helping his development..
seen some idiotic comments on here in my time but this has to be right up there

 

[Working Class Hero]

He's played 55...yes 55 Mins and he's judged as shite already.

To put into context, most club legends we've had were probably shite in their first 55 mins. Jags is one of them.

Egan was shite in his first 55mins, one of the first names on the sheet now.
O'Connell was shite in his first 3 full games.... club favourite now.

He's played 221 minutes.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

He's played 221 minutes.

Can only think of his first half vs Norwich and his 10 yesterday. Seems to have been an unused sub most of the time.

I guess the remainder was mostly in the cup which I didn't see or know how he performed.

 

[I should coco]

Woodburn is an expensive loanee from Liverpool

I would send him back now

So linking those two bits, how do you think that might pan out for us? Do you honestly think that Liverpool will loan us any any other youngsters they really believe in, if we send him back early as a 'flop'?

The lad has not had a run and has been played at striker, in the hole and in Duffy's creative role. If we haven't got a clue where/how to play him then that is OUR problem, not his.

Writing him off 8 games into the season when he’s barely featured. If he’s done nothing come January fair enough but fook me, some people need to chill out and have some patience.

I think the patience was thrown out of the pram last night, after the worst home defeat ever in living memory since time began etc.

 

[Chali 2na]

I personally really don't like him, and hope we can find some sort of replacement soon.

Like some, I don't expect an 18 year old to make a meaningful impact all the time, and in terms of his ability: we haven't seen enough to properly judge him.

The reason I have no time for Woodburn is that he's compeltely nesh. During his 10 mins last night he pulled out of 3 50/50s and showed no strength or aggression.
I can only assume he's scared of injury or doesn't have the required motivation to play for the club.

 

[BLADES1988]

If you're expecting us to loan an 18 year old to have major game changing impacts then you're massively deluded.

Saviour Brooks rarely had an impact coming on as sub, in fact save 3/4 games he had zero impact, but he's lauded as Maradona on here....and he's 3 years older.

Sessegnon? Wasn't he 17 and running the show?

 

[Chali 2na]

Sessegnon? Wasn't he 17 and running the show?

Stupid point, Sessengnon is clearly an anomaly.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I hope someone bookmarks this thread and throws it back at me, and I would be delighted to be proved wrong and humiliated on what I'm about to say....

.....I just don't think he's up to it. He seems like the type of luxury player who needs high quality around him to make him shine, and if he's not getting the games (quite rightly) I can see him returning to Liverpool in January.

I do fear he will become the next Stefan Scougall. Ridiculously early days I know, nothing personal no agenda no scapegoating etc, it's just based on what I've seen

I've never been more excited by a signing in years yet he just doesn't seem cut out for this level as of yet, and I don't think we have the time to develop him.

As I said, tin hat on, and would love to regret this thread....

UTB

4 weeks too late fella. Labelled him as this years James Wilson ages ago !!

His development, without a doubt, would be better served elsewhere.

UTB

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I personally really don't like him, and hope we can find some sort of replacement soon.

Like some, I don't expect an 18 year old to make a meaningful impact all the time, and in terms of his ability: we haven't seen enough to properly judge him.

The reason I have no time for Woodburn is that he's compeltely nesh. During his 10 mins last night he pulled out of 3 50/50s and showed no strength or aggression.
I can only assume he's scared of injury or doesn't have the required motivation to play for the club.

He got played in with a beautiful pass near the end and decelerated onto it. At this level (or any level above park football), in that position as a forward you’ve got to be prepared to either take a hit off the keeper or a defender. If he had had the right type of fibre in his fabric, chances are he would either scored or won a penalty, he hasn’t and pulled out. 5 minutes later he avoided another coming together on the edge of their box, that led to them breaking.

He’s not what we currently need, his normal position doesn’t fit our system and he’s not at this level yet as a player. Round peg & square hole. He had the look of a rabbit in the headlights last night.

 

[BigBed]

I don't think he's any better than what we already have?