Ched Evans - Would you keep him or let him go?

[Chali 2na]

It's a pointless debate.

He's got time left on his current deal and I would be amazed if someone came in for him, even on a free, based on his injury record.

On that basis, he's with us for another season.

 

[Revolution]

It wasn’t. He was happy to let it happen, because it was either £500,000 out of the kitty on Evans, or £500,000 out of the kitty on court fees. I suspect.

People said this at the time we signed him, and I couldn't see why Evans would have a case. United never fired him. They let his contract expire in 2012, and therefore didn't seem to owe him anything and hence any case Evans brought was unsustainable (and would have cost s lot less than 500 grand to get rid of imho).

But then something else occurred to me - what if, say, someone with power to contract on behalf of the club had at some point promised Evans a new deal if he was ultimately acquitted? There might be a claim there if United had tried to welsh on such a promise. And signing a crock to this contract would fit those facts. I wonder...

And if anyone thinks this was Wilder's sole decision, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying as well.

 

[Plymouthblade]

Why has he put weight on?

Higdon esqe

 

[alcoblade]

People said this at the time we signed him, and I couldn't see why Evans would have a case. United never fired him. They let his contract expire in 2012, and therefore didn't seem to owe him anything and hence any case Evans brought was unsustainable (and would have cost s lot less than 500 grand to get rid of imho).

But then something else occurred to me - what if, say, someone with power to contract on behalf of the club had at some point promised Evans a new deal if he was ultimately acquitted? There might be a claim there if United had tried to welsh on such a promise. And signing a crock to this contract would fit those facts. I wonder...

And if anyone thinks this was Wilder's sole decision, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying as well.

I suspect you’ve nailed it.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

But then something else occurred to me - what if, say, someone with power to contract on behalf of the club had at some point promised Evans a new deal if he was ultimately acquitted? There might be a claim there if United had tried to welsh on such a promise. And signing a crock to this contract would fit those facts. I wonder...

For that to be even remotely likely there’d have to be some sort of history where the club tried to get out of giving players a permanent deal when it emerged they were rubbish....

 

[stringer]

And if anyone thinks this was Wilder's sole decision, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying as well.

Does Wilder strike you as the guy who’d have players foisted upon him? (He’s not)

 

[Revolution]

Does Wilder strike you as the guy who’d have players foisted upon him? (He’s not)

No he doesn't, but he does strike me as a sensible man who won't rock the boat when it wasn't necessary, and it wasn't when Evans was signed.

 

[robbiez666]

I'm assuming he'll be loaned out to L1 for a year unless someone is prepared to take a punt on him. If you wanted to hedge your bets, you'd loan him to January and then take another look and decide whether to recall him or not. I don't see any reason to hedge our bets tbh.

If Ched seriously believes that he can have a future in football, he really needs to drop to L2 and get guaranteed starts every week, if he can stay fit. It's the only chance he has to get any form back. He needs to be playing every week.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Does Wilder strike you as the guy who’d have players foisted upon him? (He’s not)

The deal for Ched was in place when Wilder joined and he was stuck with it. This deal had to be honoured and Wilder, as a manager of the club, had no option but to do so as well.

 

[stringer]

The deal for Ched was in place when Wilder joined and he was stuck with it. This deal had to be honoured and Wilder, as a manager of the club, had no option but to do so as well.

Really? When CW was appointed Ched Evans didn’t play for anyone. Then he joined Chesterfield

 

[snootyfenooty]

Really? When CW was appointed Ched Evans didn’t play for anyone. Then he joined Chesterfield

The deal was already in place and all parties were waiting for the dust to settle. Chesterfield was a stop-gap. Titbits are not the preserve of journalists you know.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Just a reminder the transfer window shuts before the first game of the season. 'See how he goes' means we'd by light until at least January.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Should never have fucking signed him. Wilder's bought a few duds but he's the stand-out one. You didn't need to be a football expert either to suss out this one was never going to work.

Nor Nor to realise he's a McCabe signing.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Don't ask me to explain, but I have a feeling that Evans is fated to have seen his best days as a footballer. Just when his life as a pro-footballer seemed bound for better and better things, calamity struck.

In one respect he still has the good fortune to be in a relationship when other women would have turned their back on him. I hope he's considered other career options as Evans doesn't appear to be the sharpest tool in the box, but let's hope that whatever happens he'll be able to put the past behind him and focus on the relationship that he so nearly destroyed. He's been with us for a season, and yes, he's been injured, so maybe pushing the envelope just a little further may be the optimistic option. But if there's still no sign of his old self then it will be in everyone's best interest to part company and seek pasture's new.

The moral of the story being, keep your cock in your trousers.

 

[itsinyerblood]

The moral of the story being, keep your cock in your trousers.

In principle, yes.....but it is, of course, a two-part answer.

Not only is it advisable to keep you cock away from public gaze, but should you have a tendency to air the nob then be sure that you don't act in ways that are probably going to cause you problems. In Evans case the question is now redundant.....but if any good were to come out of his exploits it's to advise children that this man is a classic example of how not to behave.

 

[Come from away]

Not sure why the fuss. Wilder is clearly willing to cull players he does not think will contribute, including players he signed. Ched is still with the club so Wilder believes he is worth a chance and that is good enough for me.

 

[The Fox]

Keep till xmas

 

[Hamburg Blade]

In hindsight he shouldn't have left Chesterfield. Would have been good for him, would have been good for Chesterfield. And I think would have been better for us.

 

[super_pig]

I remember Wilder telling us that Leon was going to be a big player for us in the championship and I for one didn't believe him. He is saying that also about Ched so I am happy to leave it to him basically.

this^^

 

[INTAKE BLADE]

Keep Ched if only to piss off the loony feminist who campaigned against him.
I voted keep because I still feel he has something to offer. Time will tell once fully fit.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Give Ched the summer to improve his fitness. If after that he isn’t up to it anymore, then let him go.

 

[blader]

Keep Ched if only to piss off the loony feminist who campaigned against him.
I voted keep because I still feel he has something to offer. Time will tell once fully fit.

You ever heard the phrase ‘cutting your nose off to spite your face’?

 

[Davalon]

I've always doubted Evans would be a genuine regular contributor at this level. No matter how much people want him to succeed it's a big ask to not only stay fully fit, but get back to your previous best after so long out.

Others in similar circumstances have come back and played at least one level lower to be successful.

I have to say I've never believed this was purely Wilder plucking Evans out of thin air either. Too much smoke without fire and too many comments from certain people.

People I know with connections at Chesterfield always said to me we're only getting him fit and back in the swing of things for you. There was also a heated discussion at a Chesterfield supporters club meeting about Evans's pay.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Get rid, unless that would lead to a court case where he’d sue us for damages as I assume that is the only reason we made this signing in the first place.

 

[coolhandluke]

The deal was already in place and all parties were waiting for the dust to settle. Chesterfield was a stop-gap. Titbits are not the preserve of journalists you know.

Serious questions . If the deal was already in place and all parties were waiting for the dust to settle, ( a ) why did be go to Chesterfield and ( b ) why did we pay a fee for him ? Are you suggesting that it wasnt just our Club , Ched and his team and Wilder that were part of this subterfuge, it was Chesterfield too ?

 

[coolhandluke]

I've always doubted Evans would be a genuine regular contributor at this level. No matter how much people want him to succeed it's a big ask to not only stay fully fit, but get back to your previous best after so long out.

Others in similar circumstances have come back and played at least one level lower to be successful.

I have to say I've never believed this was purely Wilder plucking Evans out of thin air either. Too much smoke without fire and too many comments from certain people.

People I know with connections at Chesterfield always said to me we're only getting him fit and back in the swing of things for you. There was also a heated discussion at a Chesterfield supporters club meeting about Evans's pay.

Serious questions ..... again Are you suggesting the our Club, Wilder, Ched and his team and Chesterfield Football club were all part of a conspiracy relating our signing of Ched ?

If this was the case don't you think we'd have heard little bit more than the " I heard from someone who knows someone who heard someone saying " tittle tattle ?

I'll be honest here, there's no one more than me that likes a bit of spicy gossip . And whilst I'm not one for conspiracy theories I refuse to dismiss them all out of hand as the inane prattling of a mentally unhinged few with too much time on their hands * . But step back, take a deep breath and look at what you're saying in a rational manner . If that doesn't work then examine exactly what it is you're saying about Wilder and the fact youre implying that he's a docile yes man who's been shit on by having a player foisted on him that he didn't want. And then, to add insult to injury, he's gone on public record and lied to us all about why cheds signing was his decision and his alone ! **

* I'm not suggesting that this is you or anyone else on here .

** CW will of course have discussed the signing with his team .

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Serious questions . If the deal was already in place and all parties were waiting for the dust to settle, ( a ) why did be go to Chesterfield and ( b ) why did we pay a fee for him ? Are you suggesting that it wasnt just our Club , Ched and his team and Wilder that were part of this subterfuge, it was Chesterfield too ?

Two possible reasons (complete guesses mind, not based on anything ITK):

1. The club’s past experience on the matter meant they were reluctant to be the first to go in for him, particularly as at the time he had only been granted appeal on the original verdict rather than had it quashed (which came sever months into the season).

2. If all parties had been happy with the arrangement, the fee might have been designed to cover all the costs his signing and wage entailed.

Under that arrangement, Evans would have a club willing to play him while he went about clearing his name (something we wouldn’t have offered for obvious reasons) while we in theory would have at the end of it had a fully-fit player ready to return to his past triumphs. In practice...

 

[coolhandluke]

Two possible reasons (complete guesses mind, not based on anything ITK):

1. The club’s past experience on the matter meant they were reluctant to be the first to go in for him, particularly as at the time he had only been granted appeal on the original verdict rather than had it quashed (which came sever months into the season).

2. If all parties had been happy with the arrangement, the fee might have been designed to cover all the costs his signing and wage entailed.

Under that arrangement, Evans would have a club willing to play him while he went about clearing his name (something we wouldn’t have offered for obvious reasons) while we in theory would have at the end of it had a fully-fit player ready to return to his past triumphs. In practice...

Point 1 is almost certainly close to the truth of the matter imo

Point 2, however, is once again edging into conspitorial guessing games .

Furthermore, if there was an arrangement between Sheffield United Chesterfield and Ched we ran the very serious risk of dipping our toes into the murky realms of ' third party ' ownership . And lets face facts here, if there was even a semblance of truth in any of that i can think of at least one journalist whod have a field day with it ......

The subject of Ched, his pre-ordained/pre-arranged signing and conspitorial theories conjured out of thin air to explain it all never cease to amaze me . Even I've been caught up with them along the way . But the very simple fact of the matter is this. Ched was signed by Wilder . Ched has been a poor signing . Wilder has made a few bad signings for us . End of story .

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Furthermore, if there was an arrangement between Sheffield United Chesterfield and Ched we ran the very serious risk of dipping our toes into the murky realms of ' third party ' ownership.

Which is why I seriously hope it’s all bollocks, and there’s nothing I’ve seen to suggest there’s any truth to it other than it being a puzzling signing. And if we’d really go to those sorts of lengths, you’d hope it would be for a quality player, not someone that performed well for us for one season in the third tier.

 

[HibbyBlade]

Get rid.

He has been a waste of a wage. I wasn't keen on resigning him anyway but I think those who did wanted him to play like a player with a point to prove and that has simply not been the case.