Outgoing? David Brooks

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Hopefully this won't happen,otherwise we'll only get to see him for another 13 matches plus any P/O games..well,if he's fit that is.
10 Mil?..They can do one..they'd have to throw in that Son geezer for us to even consider it.
 

£10M would be peanuts in the grand scheme of things, we’d get rid of an exceptional talent and struggle to replace him if all the funds were given to Wilder never mind the small percentage he’d perhaps get. It’s not every day us Blades get to watch an exceptional talent at our club, why can’t we keep him and let him flourish here if that’s what the lad wants to do of course?
 
I like the debate, and I'm not an expert in owt, but I think there's a disconnect between how DB is perceived & valued by blades and the reality of the situation. He looks a promising player, but he's not played 20 games for us yet. I appreciate that no two players are the same, but you can judge where the market is. Oliver Burke joined WBA for £14m in the summer from Red Bull Leipzig and he's a better player, more experienced than DB and a year younger. £20m? This time next year with another 40 appearances and 10 goals behind him.

We need somewhere in the region of £10m to £15m spending on the team in the summer, and it's going to have to come from somewhere. And that's if we stay in the championship.
 
I hope we've put a 'penalty clause' in so that any handball offences will not count towards triggering a move :D
 
Ricky said:
There's no set price for promising young Championship players. Everybody's a different case.

Brooks is an exceptional and unique talent who'd be a regular now if he hadn't got glandular fever. He was a late developer and that's why he hasn't played more games and scored more goals than he has.

We shouldn't let him go for less than £20m. The market is crazy. That would be a great value punt for Spurs or Liverpool.
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Why would Liverpool spend £20m on Brooks when they have Ben Woodburn who is a similar type of player, younger and at a similar stage of development?

£20m isn’t a punt, it’s still a decent amount of money. £25m got Spurs Lucas Moura so why would they spend £20m on Brooks? He has shown potential but not world class potential to justify a £20m fee.

Comparing Brooks to our best recent academy players Walker and Maguire, he just doesn’t look to have the same potential as those two, at the moment he looks a bottom half Premier League player at best to me.

I hate to see young talent leave on the cheap, but £10m wouldn’t be cheap in my opinion, it would probably be about right and I reckon long term it could prove to be a better deal for United than the buying club.
 
YES Blade said:
Why would Liverpool spend £20m on Brooks when they have Ben Woodburn who is a similar type of player, younger and at a similar stage of development?

£20m isn’t a punt, it’s still a decent amount of money. £25m got Spurs Lucas Moura so why would they spend £20m on Brooks? He has shown potential but not world class potential to justify a £20m fee.

Comparing Brooks to our best recent academy players Walker and Maguire, he just doesn’t look to have the same potential as those two, at the moment he looks a bottom half Premier League player at best to me.

I hate to see young talent leave on the cheap, but £10m wouldn’t be cheap in my opinion, it would probably be about right and I reckon long term it could prove to be a better deal for United than the buying club.
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The big clubs have no problem stockpiling talent.

Spurs got a great deal for Lucas Moura. But he would've cost much more if he was English. Look at Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Brooks has things to improve but I have no doubt he's a potential top end PL player.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
I like the debate, and I'm not an expert in owt, but I think there's a disconnect between how DB is perceived & valued by blades and the reality of the situation. He looks a promising player, but he's not played 20 games for us yet. I appreciate that no two players are the same, but you can judge where the market is. Oliver Burke joined WBA for £14m in the summer from Red Bull Leipzig and he's a better player, more experienced than DB and a year younger. £20m? This time next year with another 40 appearances and 10 goals behind him.

We need somewhere in the region of £10m to £15m spending on the team in the summer, and it's going to have to come from somewhere. And that's if we stay in the championship.
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You keep giving transfers of foreign players to the Premiership, we're talking about a home grown talent which ups the price by a good 30-50%. It would need to be close to £20 million plus loan back for me to listen if I was the owner.
 
Ricky said:
The big clubs have no problem stockpiling talent.

Spurs got a great deal for Lucas Moura. But he would've cost much more if he was English. Look at Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Brooks has things to improve but I have no doubt he's a potential top end PL player.
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Exactly look at Oxlade-Chamberlain, £35m for a player with over a 100 first team appearances at the highest level, yet Brooks with 20 at Championship level is worth £20m?

There is a difference between stock piling talent at £5m - £10m between £20m players. A £20m player isn’t a punt, it’s a player with greater first team expectations. Spurs’ record signing is £42m, so I fail to see why they would spend half that money on one player with potential.
 
Brooks maybe at the point where he's too unproven to realise a fee of 15 million plus, yet too good to let go for any less.The obvious solution is not to sell.Selling your players at the optimum time is a key part of the job, Kyle Walker being a memorable example of United selling too hastily.
 
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nopigfansintown said:
Brooks maybe at the point where he's too unproven to realise a fee of 15 million plus, yet too good to let go for any less.The obvious solution is not to sell.Selling your players at the optimum time is a key part of the job, Kyle Walker being a memorable example of United selling too hastily.
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I’d agree with this, to me there is little risk keeping him until at least January or all of next season.

I personally don’t think he’ll be good enough for the top 6 clubs, but a mid table/relegation threatened team would still be interested at £10m to £15m.
 
Ranmoorblade said:
You keep giving transfers of foreign players to the Premiership, we're talking about a home grown talent which ups the price by a good 30-50%. It would need to be close to £20 million plus loan back for me to listen if I was the owner.
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Ademola Lookman (English) left Charlton, signed by Everton for £7.5m + £3.5m.
Will Hughes (English) left Derby, signed by Watford for £8m.
Nathan Redmond (English) left Norwich, signed by Southampton for £10m.
Jacob Murphy (English) left Norwich, signed by Newcastle for £12m.
Alex Pritchard (English) left Norwich, signed by Huddersfield for £10m + £2m.
Lewis Cook (English) left Leeds, signed by Bournemouth for £6m + £4m. (Liverpool rumoured to have recently offered £20m)
Jordan Ibe (English) left Liverpool, signed by Bournemouth for £15m.
Nathan Chalobah (English) left Chelsea, signed by Watford for £6m.
Demarai Gray (English) left Birmingham, signed by Leicester for £4m. (Liverpool rumoured to have recently offered £12m)
 
Sessegnon (17) Fulham... Tottenham Hotspur are interested and may put in a bid of £35,000,000 ...

Fulham want..... £50,000,000.

59 appearances / 18 goals.

That equates to ..... £847,458 an appearance and £2,777,777 a goal.
Not worth it....

That's the value they've put on Ryan Sessegnon's football career, up to today.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
Ademola Lookman (English) left Charlton, signed by Everton for £7.5m + £3.5m.
Will Hughes (English) left Derby, signed by Watford for £8m.
Nathan Redmond (English) left Norwich, signed by Southampton for £10m.
Jacob Murphy (English) left Norwich, signed by Newcastle for £12m.
Alex Pritchard (English) left Norwich, signed by Huddersfield for £10m + £2m.
Lewis Cook (English) left Leeds, signed by Bournemouth for £6m + £4m. (Liverpool rumoured to have recently offered £20m)
Jordan Ibe (English) left Liverpool, signed by Bournemouth for £15m.
Nathan Chalobah (English) left Chelsea, signed by Watford for £6m.
Demarai Gray (English) left Birmingham, signed by Leicester for £4m. (Liverpool rumoured to have recently offered £12m)
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Great post NC and shows how unrealistic those expecting to get £20m+ (up front) for Brooks are being. I;d be delighted to be proved wrong but I expect him to move over summer and unless he sets the world alight for the remainder of the season for Utd to receive a fee in line with those players above who moved from Champ to Prem clubs.
 
Mouth of the South said:
Great post NC and shows how unrealistic those expecting to get £20m+ (up front) for Brooks are being. I;d be delighted to be proved wrong but I expect him to move over summer and unless he sets the world alight for the remainder of the season for Utd to receive a fee in line with those players above who moved from Champ to Prem clubs.
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No transfers to a top 6 team which is what we’re looking at here. We have to put a price on David’s head of not what we think he’s worth but what price we’d be tempted to talk. If we don’t really want to sell then the price is inflated. If we don’t have to sell then the price is inflated. If David is happy to stay then the price is inflated. I’m not expecting to get £20 million for DB as I don’t want us to sell him but that would be the price I would maybe think of selling.
 

Ranmoorblade said:
No transfers to a top 6 team which is what we’re looking at here. We have to put a price on David’s head of not what we think he’s worth but what price we’d be tempted to talk. If we don’t really want to sell then the price is inflated. If we don’t have to sell then the price is inflated. If David is happy to stay then the price is inflated. I’m not expecting to get £20 million for DB as I don’t want us to sell him but that would be the price I would maybe think of selling.
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Trying to flog him again I see ,can't you leave him alone to get back to playing for us again.please !!!
 
Can't understand anyone wanting to sell him, what would we gain from it? Wilder would only gain a small fraction of the fee and Brooks is a player we've barely even begun to see the best of yet.

Its strange how so many of our fans seemingly cant wait to offload young talent. 'Little' Sheffield United syndrome.

Our future should be built around him, not selling him before he's started 10 games.
 
FinchleyBlade said:
Can't understand anyone wanting to sell him, what would we gain from it? Wilder would only gain a small fraction of the fee and Brooks is a player we've barely even begun to see the best of yet.

Its strange how so many of our fans seemingly cant wait to offload young talent. 'Little' Sheffield United syndrome.

Our future should be built around him, not selling him before he's started 10 games.
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I think nobody wants to sell him, but lets be realistic. If Brooks wants to go, he goes. So we better hope that Brooks knows that it's better to play 30 games a season instead of sitting on the bench 9/10 times.
 
Let's try and understand that with Wilder at our helm, and with whatever's liable to happen once the boardroom bollocks is finally settled, then who knows? Maybe, and it is a bold suggestion I admit, we might just find ourselves with a new co-owner who's prepared to invest to a level that will allow Chris Wilder to bring in the type of players he's previously been denied until now. This will, of course, change the type of dressing room equilibrium that Wilder has worked hard to create, but that's for the manager and board to facilitate if we're to meet the demands of being a club with ambition. Progress means change, and that brings with it various new realities for everyone to accept - higher ticket prices, a changing look to the ground (something I think we'd all give a thumb's up to, assuming it's done with a creative eye on improving conditions for the supporters), and a general feeling that the club are attempting to do their best to make life in the Premiership worth being part of.......all of which assumes we're serious about wanting promotion!
 
Dutch Blades said:
I think nobody wants to sell him, but lets be realistic. If Brooks wants to go, he goes. So we better hope that Brooks knows that it's better to play 30 games a season instead of sitting on the bench 9/10 times.
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Every player gets his wish in the end but Wilder says he's happy to stay .
He's being brought through the right way unless you want us to ruin a young player who's coming back from glandular fever who has also had a set back with a muscle spasm,it maybe next season before we see much of him.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Let's try and understand that with Wilder at our helm, and with whatever's liable to happen once the boardroom bollocks is finally settled, then who knows? Maybe, and it is a bold suggestion I admit, we might just find ourselves with a new co-owner who's prepared to invest to a level that will allow Chris Wilder to bring in the type of players he's previously been denied until now. This will, of course, change the type of dressing room equilibrium that Wilder has worked hard to create, but that's for the manager and board to facilitate if we're to meet the demands of being a club with ambition. Progress means change, and that brings with it various new realities for everyone to accept - higher ticket prices, a changing look to the ground (something I think we'd all give a thumb's up to, assuming it's done with a creative eye on improving conditions for the supporters), and a general feeling that the club are attempting to do their best to make life in the Premiership worth being part of.......all of which assumes we're serious about wanting promotion!
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Unless someone comes in with a big fat
cheque book the philosophy wouldnt change overnight some players would survive the cull on the back of promotion.Wilder is a builder and he would develop the team.
Bournemouth went up and a fair few of them players are still there.No reason to think we couldn't do the same.
No reason to think we can't get value for money in premiership ,it's all about scouting and good management (coaching )
 
finlaytheblade said:
Unless someone comes in with a big fat
cheque book the philosophy wouldnt change overnight some players would survive the cull on the back of promotion.Wilder is a builder and he would develop the team.
Bournemouth went up and a fair few of them players are still there.No reason to think we couldn't do the same.
No reason to think we can't get value for money in premiership ,it's all about scouting and good management (coaching )
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Unless someone comes up with a big fat cheque book there's a possibility that we might struggle to remain in the Premiership, assuming we achieve promotion in the first place.

Of course there's talk of the Prince selling his shares if we are promoted, at a decent profit no doubt. But at the moment it's a case of if's, and's, and maybes. What we do have is a good manager, one who can only get better in my book, a decent squad that will improve with the addition of better quality players, and an already healthy support, all good components to help us grow.

The cull you refer to, I assume you imagine we'd bring in further lower league players, one's that don't have experience to immediately fit in and improve our performances? Or is the assumption that we'd spend relatively big, something we haven't done before in our illustrious history. As for the mention of Bournemouth, they happen to have a Russian Billionaire subsidising their efforts, something that, along with many other existing clubs, we'd dearly love to have on board.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Unless someone comes up with a big fat cheque book there's a possibility that we might struggle to remain in the Premiership, assuming we achieve promotion in the first place.

Of course there's talk of the Prince selling his shares if we are promoted, at a decent profit no doubt. But at the moment it's a case of if's, and's, and maybes. What we do have is a good manager, one who can only get better in my book, a decent squad that will improve with the addition of better quality players, and an already healthy support, all good components to help us grow.

The cull you refer to, I assume you imagine we'd bring in further lower league players, one's that don't have experience to immediately fit in and improve our performances? Or is the assumption that we'd spend relatively big, something we haven't done before in our illustrious history. As for the mention of Bournemouth, they happen to have a Russian Billionaire subsidising their efforts, something that, along with many other existing clubs, we'd dearly love to have on board.
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Bournemouth broke regulations getting to the Prem and will pay a fine. (Teams who do that should be docked points not fined )

They hadn't spend lavishly since being promoted and any team who goes up would spend what they have since promotion (Huddersfield for one )
Having a billionaire hasn't been the reason they have stayed up ,good management and coaching is the reason (Howe ).
We could take a similar route but not of course braking rscgulations.
WoWolves are doing what Bournmoth QPR and a few others have done ,only way to stop it is points deduction,of course it won't happen.
 
FinchleyBlade said:
Can't understand anyone wanting to sell him, what would we gain from it? Wilder would only gain a small fraction of the fee and Brooks is a player we've barely even begun to see the best of yet.

Its strange how so many of our fans seemingly cant wait to offload young talent. 'Little' Sheffield United syndrome.

Our future should be built around him, not selling him before he's started 10 games.
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Who has said they want to sell him?
 

sheffielder said:
Wouldn’t be even a discussion if we knew wilder would get all the proceeds
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This!

If we benefitted from getting 10m from Brooks in order to buy 2/3 decent players, then I'd all be for it.

Yeah he's a talent, but aside from 1/2 games, he's not shown anything really and loses the ball more than retains it.

You CANNOT build a side around a player that is unproven! That's just suicidal!

I remember a certain Jordan Slew, fans were apoplectic at selling him. Remember him being the initial reason for 'x will tear you apart again'.

What's he doing now?
 
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