Outgoing? David Brooks

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If you could theoretically swap him for Izzy Brown and get an additional 10 million and a 20% sell on clause, in my opinion it is a no brainier to do a deal.
Obviously on the understanding that Wilder got the money to ADD to his existing budget as opposed to replace it.
Two decent strikers ( no I do not know who ) for the ten million plus a decent centre back, keeper and LWB out of the existing budget makes the squad so much stronger.
 

Scooter_mcgavin said:
It's a crossroads for sure.

Fortunately it sounds like Wilder doesn't have to sell and has the funds to invest (as well as a few saleable assets that will contribute to the kitty).
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It's a massively important pre-season that we are currently in, and depending on what we do in it will effect where we end up next season by up to 10 league places. Sometimes you need to sacrifice a knight to take a king. We are circa 6/7 players short of where I want us to be squad strength wise (GK, CB, CB, LWB, CM, CF & FW), probably costing in the region of >£20m and they need to be financed somehow. There's also the risk that either/both Freeman & Coutts might not come back as good as they were or suffer a hang over from their injuries. We need to do our business, both the ins & outs, early and get everyone bedded in before the season starts, 3 months of 'will he, won't he' paper talk does no one any favours.
 
Stretch said:
Yeah it's a shame that he got ill when he did because as you say we saw some very special moments early last season. In truth he just never looked the same player when he came back.

Hopefully a pre season will sort him out and he stays with us as a regular starter. If that happens he can only get better and we might be entertaining offers nearer to £20 million next summer, which is not unlikely in this market.
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I think if we hung on to him for the next 2 seasons he would physically mature and pack on some muscle. With the added experience he would easily be worth 20 million. But for now (and trying to look at it with an un biast nature) he's worth 10-15 million.
 
Macfarlane21 said:
I think if we hung on to him for the next 2 seasons he would physically mature and pack on some muscle. With the added experience he would easily be worth 20 million. But for now (and trying to look at it with an un biast nature) he's worth 10-15 million.
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Any discussion around selling him is basically about when, not if, we do it, this summer, January or next summer. The real gamble is how much his value can increase in that time, traded against what we can do with the money in the short term. I seriously doubt he'll be at the club at the start of the 19/20 season.
 
Macfarlane21 said:
Grealish and Maddison who are similar in age and position
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... and better than Brooks. Fees of £25m+ been quoted for those two.

He'd be a good fit for Bournemouth but is it a big step up for him? Yes they've established themselves in the PL but I feel a full season with us now could propel him to an Everton or Leicester.
 
You sell players like Brooks and you have to kiss goodbye to any realistic hope of attaining success in this division.

It's not like the league below when you could sell a player and scout a "reasonable" replacement.

Bournemouth cannot attract the players of quality and calibre from abroad (like the much more established names can) to play for them in the Prem so they have a very successful policy of capturing the best talent from below - still costly - but it works for them to sustain their position as they have the £150 million annual Prem fund to fuel this policy.

I accept that a "silly money" bid will result in Brooks leaving but we should be in a position to hold out for a silly money bid for two reasons
1. Wilder wants to build and knows the value of the player and what he would need to replace that level of talent - and he knows that a like for like replacement will be nigh on impossible.
2. Brooks has already been at Citeh and was rejected. He has found a place he feels comfortable, part of, wanted, rewarded from. He knows he is part of the managers plans and will get the full opportunity to play, when fit. He knows this could change if he goes to a Prem club. He wants to play not sit on a bench and just be used as an impact player.

Maybe two years down the line this could change - and that will be down to how well the club has done in that time frame and how well Brooks performs. If we are still where we are now after 2 years I'd expect Brooks to be gone. His ambitions will be ahead of what he can achieve with a mid table championship club.

Right now I think that Brooks beleives his interests are best served with the club that offered him the chance and the manager that has full faith in him.

.... but then there is "silly money"
 
£12m is nothing in todays game, £15m and loan back for the season is fair.
 
We still don't really know if Brooks is the real deal yet though do we, we can all see he has abilty butcan he go all the way? I don't know, its, as always, a gamble, whether you are selling or buying, how many young players over the years have managers considered and wished 2/3 years later they had/ hadn't done a deal, £10 million still sounds an awful lot to me, its funny but once a figure (10 million) is chucked in within a few weeks we are not happy and expect 20 million, I accept football is awash with money but common sense has to come in to it, would I take 10 million with add ons and a sell on? I would find it difficult to say no reluctantly, as I would like to enjoy watching him for longer than maguire and walker before he leaves, just my opinion .
 
Only United know whether its good business to sell Brooks. What I mean by that is, Wilder has targets and if we can't afford to bring in who he REALLY wants and we've gone onto List B or C then it might be better business to sell Brooks - as long as we obviously get top dollar for him. I'm pleased that the bid has come now (assuming its true) because we were always likely to receive a bid, and its not late in the window if we do decide to sell. Maybe Brooks potentially going explains why we've being linked with Palmer.

Personally I think it would be great to keep Brooks, he's still young and another season at this level is probably best for him but sometimes you have to sell to make other signings like we did with DCL. We signed a few players then for cash and maybe we'd not have done that if he hadn't gone.

I'd hate it if he went to Bournemouth and then on loan to a rival!
 
They’re bidding £12m on the fact they think he’s worth that now but they should also be factoring in the potential which is quite huge and worth far more than the £12m being touted. He already has a senior Welsh cap and has shown glimpses of brilliance, we should hold onto him whilst he’s happy to stay and let him build into a really top quality footballer.

These kind of players aren’t seen at the lane in a Blades shirt no where near enough, barely at all, let’s watch him for a bit longer please.

Sell your best players and game changers and you will decline, it’s pretty simple really, and before anyone says anything, we won’t be able to replace the kid with his talents for the sum of money Wilder will get from it.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
I wouldn't sell.

I know many might disagree with me but £12m is nowhere near enough in today's market. We have to keep refocusing on, could you replace his class, impact and potential for within £12m - no, not a chance.
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If CW was getting the £12m then it might be worth it but I'm guessing he would be lucky to see half of the upfront money so £2/3m. On that basis I'm out.
 
I don't get all this talk about a players value.

I'd sell for 15 but not for 10 etc.

The player market is a basket case that defies all logic and it's impossible to make meaningful comparisons as no two cases are ever the same.

If a manager is desperate for a player he will tell his board to pay whatever they have to.

If a manager is desperate for cash then he will tell his board to get whatever they can.

Most deals are done somewhere within these parameters, dependant on the managers desires at the time and irrespective of the monies invloved.

If Wilder isn't desperate to increase his budget then Brooks will stay. If he is then Brooks will go, but Wilder will determine his value and not "the market"

If Brooks is sold without Wilder's agreement then there is a real danger that Wilder will walk and then we will find out who agreed any valuation, but it's fair to assume that if Brooks goes and Wilder stays the Wilder is happy to accept the deal whatever the market experts on here think.

Personally I think that Bournemouth would be the wring move for Brooks.

It's a hell of a long way from his home and his mates and they can't keep punching above their weight for ever.

Unless he goes straight into their first team and performs well he is more likely to find his career going backwards than he is if he stays with us, unless he has a health / fitness issue that we don't know about and a big pay day is too much of a risk to turn down.

Whatever the final outcone regarding Brooks discussions about his market value on here are just ridiculous.

The football world doesn't work like that.
 
In the next 6 to 12 months, DB's new agent will approach the club's hierarchy and say "my client is an exceptional talent and he wants £20k a week.". We'll then sell him, quicker than you can say "Is 01202 the area code for Bournemouth?". :)
 
blademark said:
Sounds like you think £12m is ok B58 ?
I'd probably take £15m plus add ons and a hefty sell on clause, and try to get a loan back. Not sure they'd want to loan him back though.
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Like you ark, I think if we could get closer to £15m and a sell on clause I would be tempted, but obviously it's CW's decision

Looking like CW's first big test coming up
 

Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
In the next 6 to 12 months, DB's new agent will approach the club's hierarchy and say "my client is an exceptional talent and he wants £20k a week.". We'll then sell him, quicker than you can say "Is 01202 the area code for Bournemouth?". :)
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Yes. I too blame our club for a newspaper rumour.
 
Maidenhead said:
I don't get all this talk about a players value.

I'd sell for 15 but not for 10 etc.

The player market is a basket case that defies all logic and it's impossible to make meaningful comparisons as no two cases are ever the same.

If a manager is desperate for a player he will tell his board to pay whatever they have to.

If a manager is desperate for cash then he will tell his board to get whatever they can.

Most deals are done somewhere within these parameters, dependant on the managers desires at the time and irrespective of the monies invloved.

If Wilder isn't desperate to increase his budget then Brooks will stay. If he is then Brooks will go, but Wilder will determine his value and not "the market"

If Brooks is sold without Wilder's agreement then there is a real danger that Wilder will walk and then we will find out who agreed any valuation, but it's fair to assume that if Brooks goes and Wilder stays the Wilder is happy to accept the deal whatever the market experts on here think.

Personally I think that Bournemouth would be the wring move for Brooks.

It's a hell of a long way from his home and his mates and they can't keep punching above their weight for ever.

Unless he goes straight into their first team and performs well he is more likely to find his career going backwards than he is if he stays with us, unless he has a health / fitness issue that we don't know about and a big pay day is too much of a risk to turn down.

Whatever the final outcone regarding Brooks discussions about his market value on here are just ridiculous.

The football world doesn't work like that.
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Do you ever think you’re in the wrong place?...
 
Bruce Wayne said:
£12m is nothing in todays game, £15m and loan back for the season is fair.
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Norwich have accepted £20m for Maddison. Maddison is a much better player than Brooks at present and is only 9 months older. £12m is about right for Brooks although if he has a full season with us this year, his stock could rise considerably.
 

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