Good decision to sell Ramsdale

[Yarrayering]

Ramsdale has made some terrible mistakes for chessie.."way more than Long did for us"..maybe a very good decision to sell eh.?..

 

[Large Mendonca]

Might be a bit too early to judge this one, but yeah it’s not a great start for him. Plenty of years ahead if it doesn’t ruin his confidence

 

[DaleHillBlade]

Maybe he's a decent keeper playing in an utterly shite football side??

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Was an odd decision on his part to go to a club where he was going to be at best 4th choice keeper - especially when they had just spend big money on a keeper entering the prime of his career.

Would have been better staying here and trying to fight it out with Moore for the number 1 spot. Would probably have got some games too and a decent wage increase - Wilder seemed to rate him.

 

[Carlton Blade]

£££££ and still a good chance after this contract to start his career properly

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Might be a bit too early to judge this one, but yeah it’s not a great start for him. Plenty of years ahead if it doesn’t ruin his confidence

I think the same thing can be said about George Long, in time i suspect he'll be a championship level keeper. Looking back I think we over played him & it didn't help either party. A young keeper's confidence can take a lot of rebuilding.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I think the same thing can be said about George Long, in time i suspect he'll be a championship level keeper. Looking back I think we over played him & it didn't help either party. A young keeper's confidence can take a lot of rebuilding.

I do feel long was harshly treated by some of our fans. He was much better than simmonsen and no worse than some of the other dross we had in post kenny.

The issue was he never really improved on the levels he showed at 17/18 when he first broke Into the side - when I think most fans rightly expected him to Be able improve or at least iron out some of his flaws. He then suffered a crisis of confidence and his form dipped and it was best for all concerned to take him out of the side. I think there is a decent keeper in there somewhere and I am glad to see he’s Playing well for Wimbledon this season.

Our coaches must be doing something decent as Eastman has also looked more than competent when I’ve seen him play too.

 

[mosbolad]

I think the same thing can be said about George Long, in time i suspect he'll be a championship level keeper. Looking back I think we over played him & it didn't help either party. A young keeper's confidence can take a lot of rebuilding.

AFC Wimbledon in January. Played 4 (League) scored 8 conceded fat zero.....

 

[LJBlade]

Maybe he's a decent keeper playing in an utterly shite football side??

A bit like Long when most United fans wrote him off as well

 

[Tunstall Fred]

A very good prospect is Ramsdale,the goal yesterday was very unfortunate.

 

[Chali 2na]

Was an odd decision on his part to go to a club where he was going to be at best 4th choice keeper ....

He was supposedly being offered 6x more there, than he was being offered here. It's life changing money, who wouldn't?

 

[Foody]

He was maybe a little unlucky yesterday, even experienced keepers are guilty of errors in judgement when coming out of their box (Paddy Kenny!!). However the it was undoubtedly an error and his mistakes in his debut against Accrington Stanley were horrific https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgfNKfyLYTw
Not sure Chesterfield is the best place to send a young keeper at the minute, devoid of confidence, fans on their back and in serious danger of slipping out of the football league. He's going to be very busy between the sticks with that defence in front on him, I just hope this spell doesn't destroy his confidence. Looked a real prospect at youth level, still plenty of time to kick on, but a worrying start to his first spell as a regular starter.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I think part of the thinking behind loaning out young keeper's is to toughen them up & to build character. I'm not suggesting that the parent clubs want the loan to be one catastrophe after another, but possibly more is learnt from how they react to the bad stuff, as opposed to the good. But it can be brutal and can do as much harm as good. Tracey conceded 5 on his league debut for Wimbledon as a 21yr old and never played for them again. Long made his debut for us at 17.

I agree with BiL's point about Long's career stalling due to lack of improvement, but as with Maguire we blooded them young, and Maguire has continued to developed. By the time Long was 21 he'd made 80ish 1st team appearances which is a rarity in GK's. He's 24, he's a good height, he's got games under his belt and I'm sure he'll be okay in the long run.

Ramsdale has currently got Simon Tracey showing him the tricks of the trade at Chesterfield, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Ihadadream]

Young Rammers be a top drawer keeper in the near future of that there is no doubt and he’s a big enough character to learn from any mistakes.....when a club decides that the offer on the table is too good to refuse then the player has very little say in whether he stays or goes you’ll find that Ramsdale never wanted to leave

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think part of the thinking behind loaning out young keeper's is to toughen them up & to build character. I'm not suggesting that the parent clubs want the loan to be one catastrophe after another, but possibly more is learnt from how they react to the bad stuff, as opposed to the good. But it can be brutal and can do as much harm as good. Tracey conceded 5 on his league debut for Wimbledon as a 21yr old and never played for them again. Long made his debut for us at 17.

I agree with BiL's point about Long's career stalling due to lack of improvement, but as with Maguire we blooded them young, and Maguire has continued to developed. By the time Long was 21 he'd made 80ish 1st team appearances which is a rarity in GK's. He's 24, he's a good height, he's got games under his belt and I'm sure he'll be okay in the long run.










Ramsdale has currently got Simon Tracey showing him the tricks of the trade at Chesterfield, what could possibly go wrong?

The Round Robins don't come in?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

The Round Robins don't come in?

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When you're digging me out, your digs need to be more obvious for me to understand them. I'm not as smart as you.

 

[Sean Thornton]

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When you're digging me out, your digs need to be more obvious for me to understand them. I'm not as smart as you.

It's a type of bet. Simon Tracy liked a bet. No ones digging anyone out. Lighten up.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

It's a type of bet. Simon Tracy liked a bet. No ones digging anyone out. Lighten up.

Apologies.

 

[Lane Ender]

AFC Wimbledon in January. Played 4 (League) scored 8 conceded fat zero.....

There will be Championship and some Premier clubs monitoring George right now

 

[snootyfenooty]

All this stuff about age doesn't wash. The kid Wildsmith the pigs have between the sticks has been keeping them afloat since Westwood got injured. You've either got it or you haven't, same as when TC was wowing us at 18 and Sessegnon doing the same now at Fulham at 17.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

If Simon is Ramsdales coach at Chesterfield,that goes a long way to explaining yesterdays goal conceded.

It was very Traceyesque,ST is my all time favourite United keeper,but I closed my eyes and crossed everything whenever he dashed out of his penalty area

 

[Weasel]

Ramsdale has currently got Simon Tracey showing him the tricks of the trade at Chesterfield, what could possibly go wrong?

This comment seems to imply that you didn't rate Simon Tracey when he played or that you have reservations about his coaching ability?

Don't know about the latter but I know he was a damned good keeper at the Lane in his time with us. He did have a tendency to like to go a wondering from time to time though...

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

This comment seems to imply that you didn't rate Simon Tracey when he played or that you have reservations about his coaching ability?

Don't know about the latter but I know he was a damned good keeper at the Lane in his time with us. He did have a tendency to like to go a wondering from time to time though...

Neither, I made it tongue in cheek, hinting at what happened to him when he went out on loan from United. Something like 20 goals conceded in 6 games?

I don't know enough of Tracey as a coach to comment, but I rated Tracey as a keeper, but he was prone to the odd rush of blood

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Neither, I made it tongue in cheek, hinting at what happened to him when he went out on loan from United. Something like 20 goals conceded in 6 games?

I don't know enough of Tracey as a coach to comment, but I rated Tracey as a keeper, but he was prone to the odd rush of blood

Just checked, 22 goals in 7 games.

 

[BushBlade]

All this stuff about age doesn't wash. The kid Wildsmith the pigs have between the sticks has been keeping them afloat since Westwood got injured. You've either got it or you haven't, same as when TC was wowing us at 18 and Sessegnon doing the same now at Fulham at 17.

Kids develop at different rates. Wildsmith is 22, not 17 like Long was when he started with us. On the other hand Jose Baxter and Danny Cadamateri made their top level debuts as teenagers. If you think a player won't be a top level player because they're not playing first team football when they're 18 I could name a hundred PL players that weren't playing in the PL when they were 18. But I can't be arsed.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Kids develop at different rates. Wildsmith is 22, not 17 like Long was when he started with us. On the other hand Jose Baxter and Danny Cadamateri made their top level debuts as teenagers. If you think a player won't be a top level player because they're not playing first team football when they're 18 I could name a hundred PL players that weren't playing in the PL when they were 18. But I can't be arsed.

That's quite a thoughtful reply considering you couldn't be arsed. By the way Wildsmith was 21 when he stepped in and made his debut some years before that.

Back to my point, the criteria for playing at 18 is if you're good enough to do so, not because you're 18 per se. Brooks is a perfect example and he could quite easily have slipped through the net if things had gone as originally planned.

 

[BushBlade]

That's quite a thoughtful reply considering you couldn't be arsed. By the way Wildsmith was 21 when he stepped in and made his debut some years before that.

Back to my point, the criteria for playing at 18 is if you're good enough to do so, not because you're 18 per se. Brooks is a perfect example and he could quite easily have slipped through the net if things had gone as originally planned.

And my point is that just because you're not good enough at 18 doesn't mean you won't be good enough at 21.

 

[diplomat]

That's quite a thoughtful reply considering you couldn't be arsed. By the way Wildsmith was 21 when he stepped in and made his debut some years before that.

Back to my point, the criteria for playing at 18 is if you're good enough to do so, not because you're 18 per se. Brooks is a perfect example and he could quite easily have slipped through the net if things had gone as originally planned.

Louis Reed was on the wireless the other day and pointed out he’s the same age as brooks. I’m not going to compare anything about the two apart from brooks still has the ‘he’s just a kid, give him time, give him a break if something doesn’t come off’ whereas Reed has lost any sense of an allowance for development.

Back to the OP Long still has room for development. Keepers notoriously develop later. He seems like a good lad from what I know about him and I hope he plays as high as he can for as long as he can.

 

[PittsburghBlade]

Will have a good career and no doubt a long one but doesn't have the natural presence to play infront of 20k and command the box.

 

[Chali 2na]

All this stuff about age doesn't wash. The kid Wildsmith the pigs have between the sticks has been keeping them afloat since Westwood got injured. You've either got it or you haven't, same as when TC was wowing us at 18 and Sessegnon doing the same now at Fulham at 17.

You're talking rubbish. To say "you've either got it or you haven't" when youre talking about players 21 and younger is probably the most moronic thing I've read on the forum. I can only assume you're trolling.

To put it in perspective if Vardy, Mahrez and K. Schmeichel had failed to develop further at that age, they would be playing for Stocksbridge, Le Harve reserves and Falkirk, respectively.