Incoming? Ched Evans

[super_pig]

Oh by hell he does.

Clarke is #1. No doubt whatsoever.

How else could you explain one goal in 630+ minutes, genuinely poor performances and STILL manages to play every minute of every game.

And don’t get me started on the armband.

Smacks of double standards to be brutally honest. Players ARE NOT stupid. They understand better than most when they are behind in the pecking order due to another player putting in consistently good performances.

They also understand when the opposite is the case, the inference is that whatever happens in training / U23s / brief sub appearances, the chances are they can’t change the managers perception.

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absolute bollocks

 

[DronnieBlade]

absolute bollocks

You’ve convinced me

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[super_pig]

You’ve convinced me

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quality

 

[Bath Blade]

For all those slagging Bolton off.
Look at the bigger picture Bolton will be playing most of our promotion rivals.
Ched could help Bolton take points of them.

But I remember how anonymous Ched was in a Blackwell side with the ball being lumped in the vague direction of Ched’s head. The football would be remarkably similar playing for Bolton.

 

[blader]

It’s my opinion that the only reason he’s still around is largely due to fan pressure. I know no one will accept this and I could easily be way off the mark. It’s such an easy ‘beg for likes reply’ to mine saying ‘well Wilder says he rates him, that’s good enough for me’.

However, there’s just no way Evans will get game time this year (in the league). He isn’t match fit yet, and will still be at least a couple of weeks away from it. He would need to get above 3 other strikers with less than 10 games to do it.

He doesn’t offer anything that our current strikers don’t, so can’t be used as an alternative option. He isn’t taller, faster or stronger than any of our other strikers so isn’t a game changer from the bench. He isn’t going to start this year (and in my opinion will never be a starter at SUFC again) so all he will do is hang around until his contract runs down, or, at least, be given another futile season.

He isn’t the player he was and definitely isn’t the future at 30. My only fear is he will hold up a wage that could be better spend elsewhere in the squad. We have enough players of his age up top and will need at least one striker in his early 20s for next season as another option.

I know some are desperate for him to succeed (a little too much really) but I can’t see it happening. Surely the best thing for him is to go out on loan somewhere and see what he can do for 4 months? Surely that’s more useful to us than him not getting in the team until the end of the season then us going into next year being non the wiser?

As I said at the top, I do believe fan pressure has played a part here in him staying around the club. Good player he was, I think a loan until the end of the year would at least give us chance to see if he could get anywhere near that player. I suspect a 4 month loan in league 1 would prove finally whether he’a worth keeping about.

 

[sheffielder]

It’s my opinion that the only reason he’s still around is largely due to fan pressure. I know no one will accept this and I could easily be way off the mark. It’s such an easy ‘beg for likes reply’ to mine saying ‘well Wilder says he rates him, that’s good enough for me’.

However, there’s just no way Evans will get game time this year (in the league). He isn’t match fit yet, and will still be at least a couple of weeks away from it. He would need to get above 3 other strikers with less than 10 games to do it.

He doesn’t offer anything that our current strikers don’t, so can’t be used as an alternative option. He isn’t taller, faster or stronger than any of our other strikers so isn’t a game changer from the bench. He isn’t going to start this year (and in my opinion will never be a starter at SUFC again) so all he will do is hang around until his contract runs down, or, at least, be given another futile season.

He isn’t the player he was and definitely isn’t the future at 30. My only fear is he will hold up a wage that could be better spend elsewhere in the squad. We have enough players of his age up top and will need at least one striker in his early 20s for next season as another option.

I know some are desperate for him to succeed (a little too much really) but I can’t see it happening. Surely the best thing for him is to go out on loan somewhere and see what he can do for 4 months? Surely that’s more useful to us than him not getting in the team until the end of the season then us going into next year being non the wiser?

As I said at the top, I do believe fan pressure has played a part here in him staying around the club. Good player he was, I think a loan until the end of the year would at least give us chance to see if he could get anywhere near that player. I suspect a 4 month loan in league 1 would prove finally whether he’a worth keeping about.

If you don’t mind me saying you come across as someone who is desperate to fail ( a little too much really).

Now I was against the Ched signing but his attitude in training and after the operation is probably better than most. He may take 6 weeks to even get match fit but I still think he will have a part to play and he’s another option that we don’t have or can’t afford. Yes the money could have been spent elsewhere but wilder signs players because of their attitude and he’s nearly ready to go. The lad Matt Prestrisge is high on him so if he can just give us a little something back he will

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The last place I would loan him to is fucking Bolton.

Send him to Norwich, not get injured again.

 

[blader]

If you don’t mind me saying you come across as someone who is desperate to fail ( a little too much really).

Now I was against the Ched signing but his attitude in training and after the operation is probably better than most. He may take 6 weeks to even get match fit but I still think he will have a part to play and he’s another option that we don’t have or can’t afford. Yes the money could have been spent elsewhere but wilder signs players because of their attitude and he’s nearly ready to go. The lad Matt Prestrisge is high on him so if he can just give us a little something back he will

There’s a huge different between not wanting him to succeed and not believing he will. I am very much of the latter opinion.

I always feel like ched’s defenders think others are willing him to fail by pointing out that they don’t think he’ll be good enough. There is no evidence to support he will be good enough (yet). Until the day comes he can prove he can cut it at this level the jury will remain firmly out. No agenda, just fact.

Attitude is great, I am the most willing runner in my team on a Saturday, doesn’t mean I deserve to play for Sheff Utd though. There has to come a point where it’s more about quality than just effort and will.

 

[sheffielder]

There’s a huge different between not wanting him to succeed and not believing he will. I am very much of the latter opinion.

I always feel like ched’s defenders think others are willing him to fail by pointing out that they don’t think he’ll be good enough. There is no evidence to support he will be good enough (yet). Until the day comes he can prove he can cut it at this level the jury will remain firmly out. No agenda, just fact.

Attitude is great, I am the most willing runner in my team on a Saturday, doesn’t mean I deserve to play for Sheff Utd though. There has to come a point where it’s more about quality than just effort and will.

There is a big difference between you being a wiling runner and Ched. Leon Clarke is a good example of someone who finds it later in the day though. At 32 he can suddenly play in the championship so no reason to believe Evans can’t.

Don’t get me wrong, I am pinning no hopes on Evans whatsoever but from what I have heard about him in training etc he has a old chance of a comeback most hoped for

 

[Sirius]

There’s a huge different between not wanting him to succeed and not believing he will. I am very much of the latter opinion.

I always feel like ched’s defenders think others are willing him to fail by pointing out that they don’t think he’ll be good enough. There is no evidence to support he will be good enough (yet). Until the day comes he can prove he can cut it at this level the jury will remain firmly out. No agenda, just fact.

Attitude is great, I am the most willing runner in my team on a Saturday, doesn’t mean I deserve to play for Sheff Utd though. There has to come a point where it’s more about quality than just effort and will.

Not aimed at you Blader . but someone once said that class is a permanent thing . Assuming that Ched is really fit again, could someone explain why he should fail . Part of the game is dominating the centre backs. No problem there then
His positional sense and speed should be more that just ok . No once should doubt his enthusiasm and skill so, what are the reasons, if any to suggest Ched may fail?

 

[LJBlade]

Oh by hell he does.

Clarke is #1. No doubt whatsoever.

How else could you explain one goal in 630+ minutes, genuinely poor performances and STILL manages to play every minute of every game.

And don’t get me started on the armband.

Smacks of double standards to be brutally honest. Players ARE NOT stupid. They understand better than most when they are behind in the pecking order due to another player putting in consistently good performances.

They also understand when the opposite is the case, the inference is that whatever happens in training / U23s / brief sub appearances, the chances are they can’t change the managers perception.

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You really, really need to get over being wrong about Leon Clarke.

 

[Snowman]

Not aimed at you Blader . but someone once said that class is a permanent thing . Assuming that Ched is really fit again, could someone explain why he should fail . Part of the game is dominating the centre backs. No problem there then
His positional sense and speed should be more that just ok . No once should doubt his enthusiasm and skill so, what are the reasons, if any to suggest Ched may fail?

His goals per game in a Chessy side that were relegated and his injuries.
His injuries since signing for SUFC.
His performances since signing for SUFC
Time ( in the sense of age and faculty when you have spent ages out of the game)
Specifically I would disagree with your contention that his positional sense should be more than just ok. On the evidence of last year, that was one thing I thought he lacked.

Still GLTTL. Notwithstanding the evidence to the contrary that he won't make it, we have the example of Leon the Lazy Lump to show us that minor miracles can happen.

 

[Torrix1889]

As a fan of SUFC ?

Wonderful.

Clapped and cheered every single one of them.

Bouncing (sorry ) from the rafters like every fecker else for the brace in S6

But what DOES disappointment me is the seemingly untouchable / undroppable status he current appears to have amongst the vast majority of fans and, more pointedly, CW/AK.

Look, I don’t see what goes on behind the scenes. What goes on in training. Maybe there is a “bigger picture” that I’m just not privy to.

But, on face value and only that, my gut feeling is that something isn’t quite right.

Maybe I’m way off, but I do find it interesting that performance levels have dropped off, there has been an admission of such by quite a few (so not just my sole point of view!) and the player has not been dragged off even once.

Maybe he is SO far in credit with earlier season performances (admittedly good) that the current dry spell is excused.

But for how much longer ?

Ultimately I await to see how this unfolds with genuine interest.

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It' not all about goals with Leon though....we get so much more out of him....watch him next game and see how often he clears the ball from a corner...drops deep....runs the channels to create space for others..... The Don is very similar but you don't get the same from Billy or Wilson, (from what I've seen so far)...and probably Ched as well.

I fully agree that Clarke's main job is to score goals...and if he doesn't start doing that again soon and we are dropping points then it will have to change but perhaps CW & AK appreciate his overall contribution more.

 

[blader]

Not aimed at you Blader . but someone once said that class is a permanent thing . Assuming that Ched is really fit again, could someone explain why he should fail . Part of the game is dominating the centre backs. No problem there then
His positional sense and speed should be more that just ok . No once should doubt his enthusiasm and skill so, what are the reasons, if any to suggest Ched may fail?

My main doubt being that he has never proven himself at this level. So, 4 years in the nick, 2 years on the treatment table and turning the wrong side of 30 isn’t going to facilitate my optimism that he will he a success

Add this to my other points, the only chance he would have of succeeding is game time. He won’t get any in this team. We’re 6th in the championship with th league’s top scorer up front. We’re doing just fine, so why would we change it?

As I said above, surely the bed thing for everyone is a short loan spell away to see if he can do it somewhere else. That’s the best way to gauge where he is at, not sat on our bench.

 

[SUFC Guy]

It’s my opinion that the only reason he’s still around is largely due to fan pressure. I know no one will accept this and I could easily be way off the mark. It’s such an easy ‘beg for likes reply’ to mine saying ‘well Wilder says he rates him, that’s good enough for me’.

However, there’s just no way Evans will get game time this year (in the league). He isn’t match fit yet, and will still be at least a couple of weeks away from it. He would need to get above 3 other strikers with less than 10 games to do it.

He doesn’t offer anything that our current strikers don’t, so can’t be used as an alternative option. He isn’t taller, faster or stronger than any of our other strikers so isn’t a game changer from the bench. He isn’t going to start this year (and in my opinion will never be a starter at SUFC again) so all he will do is hang around until his contract runs down, or, at least, be given another futile season.

He isn’t the player he was and definitely isn’t the future at 30. My only fear is he will hold up a wage that could be better spend elsewhere in the squad. We have enough players of his age up top and will need at least one striker in his early 20s for next season as another option.

I know some are desperate for him to succeed (a little too much really) but I can’t see it happening. Surely the best thing for him is to go out on loan somewhere and see what he can do for 4 months? Surely that’s more useful to us than him not getting in the team until the end of the season then us going into next year being non the wiser?

As I said at the top, I do believe fan pressure has played a part here in him staying around the club. Good player he was, I think a loan until the end of the year would at least give us chance to see if he could get anywhere near that player. I suspect a 4 month loan in league 1 would prove finally whether he’a worth keeping about.

and what happens if we have a couple of strikers out with injuries or suspensions? Keep him here and stick with what we have now.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Bolton and Bradford may want them and may even have enquired, but that does not mean that Utd are prepared to let them go.

'Kin 'ell
I never thought I'd hear that sort of sentiment about SUFC ( Jones , Birchinall, Salmons, Currie, Sabella, Hamson, Benjamin, Edwards, Deane/ Fjortoft, Saunders, Kyles x2, Devlin, Holdsworth , Woodhouse, Blackman, DCL, Maguire, lad to Blackburn last seen @ Plymouth, keeper to Bournemouth , Whiteman, Otis Khan [you heard it 'ere 1st ?!] etc - sure I've missed plenty

Or are you being (post ironically) ironic?

Or am I ?

 

[Weasel]

surely the bed thing for everyone is a short loan spell away to see if he can do it somewhere else. That’s the best way to gauge where he is at, not sat on our bench.

Disagree. Surely the best thing is for CW to monitor the lad closely, make sure he's doing the right things and being looked after what he gets back up to speed after an operation, trains with his team mates and shows CW what he can do first hand.

The lad is fast approaching the stage where he can either do it or it is deemed that he cant. I'd rather CW have the prerogative of looking at the lad closely rather than relying on scout reports and being dependant on other teams playing to his strengths or not misusing him.

Id treat Evans the same as a new signing. You don't usually sign a player and then let him.out on loan (unless you've got more money than sense I.e. prmier league club).

I wouldn't pay his wages whilst he recuperates from surgery and then let others benefit. Keep the lad and give him a chance to prove himself at the Lane. If it doesn't work then so be it, but at least you can be sure that you gave it a chance to work. You never know he might still come good. I think he has a fair chance yet.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

It’s my opinion that the only reason he’s still around is largely due to fan pressure. I know no one will accept this and I could easily be way off the mark. It’s such an easy ‘beg for likes reply’ to mine saying ‘well Wilder says he rates him, that’s good enough for me’.

However, there’s just no way Evans will get game time this year (in the league). He isn’t match fit yet, and will still be at least a couple of weeks away from it. He would need to get above 3 other strikers with less than 10 games to do it.

He doesn’t offer anything that our current strikers don’t, so can’t be used as an alternative option. He isn’t taller, faster or stronger than any of our other strikers so isn’t a game changer from the bench. He isn’t going to start this year (and in my opinion will never be a starter at SUFC again) so all he will do is hang around until his contract runs down, or, at least, be given another futile season.

He isn’t the player he was and definitely isn’t the future at 30. My only fear is he will hold up a wage that could be better spend elsewhere in the squad. We have enough players of his age up top and will need at least one striker in his early 20s for next season as another option.

I know some are desperate for him to succeed (a little too much really) but I can’t see it happening. Surely the best thing for him is to go out on loan somewhere and see what he can do for 4 months? Surely that’s more useful to us than him not getting in the team until the end of the season then us going into next year being non the wiser?

As I said at the top, I do believe fan pressure has played a part here in him staying around the club. Good player he was, I think a loan until the end of the year would at least give us chance to see if he could get anywhere near that player. I suspect a 4 month loan in league 1 would prove finally whether he’a worth keeping about.

You say there is no way he will get game time in the league. What if he gets truly fit and firing and we have another injury crisis ? You also say he is 30. For the record, he was 29 just after Christmas.

 

[Tezza1889]

What’s the big panic for, you have heard of a thing called injuries, and another thing called cover...

For what he’s being paid we keep him.. Ched is pushing for a place, why the desperation to loan him out... in this team any striker worth his salt will get chances..

Some people think our players are gonna go through the season unscathed.. we’re one injury away from a striker crisis.. if Don or Clarke get injured we’re down to an out of form sharp, lavery hasn’t played, neither has Ched, and Wilson isn't our player and could be recalled...

If we have a run of injuries, we’ll need experience, we’ll need Billy, and we'll need Ched, with a run in the team (like Leon) I believe Ched would bang them in, and that would cap my season off..

 

[blader]

You say there is no way he will get game time in the league. What if he gets truly fit and firing and we have another injury crisis ? You also say he is 30. For the record, he was 29 just after Christmas.

With 15 games left, he’ll need to get fit and firing (how will he do that by not getting in) and we need an injury crisis in the same period? Seems so unlikely, when he could just go out on loan to a team that is lacking strikers. I mean we have 5 strikers plus Brooks and Holmes who all have/can play second striker. That would be one hell of a crisis in the next few weeks!

Also, what exactly is a fit and firing Evans? We have so many players that are of proven championship quality, and now we are getting to the crunch I don’t want to risk playing a player that has no evidence he can cut it at this level at 29 years of age! What’s wrong with our striking options thus far that you think he will be an improvement? We have pace and flair with Wilson and Brooks, we have pace and strength with Donaldson and Clarke and we have a proven goal scorer at championship level in Sharp. Where does Evans fit in?

Now clearly the answer is wishful thinking, and that’s fine, nothin wrong with wishing a player to succeed at all, I also wish the same. But now is certainly not the time to be taking any risks, especially in a position where we aren’t struggling! Donaldson and Wilson scored last game, Clarke is the top scorer in the league and brooks will be back match fit before Evans. I just don’t see how he will get on the pitch st any point, which is why I am advocating him going out on loan.

The classic thinking goes, you don’t learn anything about a player on the training pitch, he needs to be out playing regular games somewhere that is no gamble to us. That will give us a great ideas as to whether he can cut it or not. It’s no criticism of Evans, now just isn’t the time to he throwing him in at the deep end ahead of any of our first choice, or our bench strikers. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Weasel]

I disagree. Luckily for me it seems CW does too.

 

[OldBillBlade]

I recall reaching the play off final against Burnley and having only Bryson as a striker, due to injuries and sales etc. What a disaster rhat was!
We can't risk letting Ched out on loan where we are now.
He could make the difference at the end.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

With 15 games left, he’ll need to get fit and firing (how will he do that by not getting in) and we need an injury crisis in the same period? Seems so unlikely, when he could just go out on loan to a team that is lacking strikers. I mean we have 5 strikers plus Brooks and Holmes who all have/can play second striker. That would be one hell of a crisis in the next few weeks!

Also, what exactly is a fit and firing Evans? We have so many players that are of proven championship quality, and now we are getting to the crunch I don’t want to risk playing a player that has no evidence he can cut it at this level at 29 years of age! What’s wrong with our striking options thus far that you think he will be an improvement? We have pace and flair with Wilson and Brooks, we have pace and strength with Donaldson and Clarke and we have a proven goal scorer at championship level in Sharp. Where does Evans fit in?

Now clearly the answer is wishful thinking, and that’s fine, nothin wrong with wishing a player to succeed at all, I also wish the same. But now is certainly not the time to be taking any risks, especially in a position where we aren’t struggling! Donaldson and Wilson scored last game, Clarke is the top scorer in the league and brooks will be back match fit before Evans. I just don’t see how he will get on the pitch st any point, which is why I am advocating him going out on loan.

The classic thinking goes, you don’t learn anything about a player on the training pitch, he needs to be out playing regular games somewhere that is no gamble to us. That will give us a great ideas as to whether he can cut it or not. It’s no criticism of Evans, now just isn’t the time to he throwing him in at the deep end ahead of any of our first choice, or our bench strikers. Makes perfect sense to me.

A fit and firing Ched Evans means that he will have impressed both in training, and for the U23s, sufficiently for CW to decide he merits a chance in the first team matchday squad. You say you don`t want to risk a player that has no evidence he can cut it at this level at 29 years of age. No doubt you disapproved of Jake Wright being a first team squad member - over 30 and never played at Championship level. You may have neglected to take into account that Ched has played above Championship level for Manchester City, and has played for Wales at U19, U21, and full international level. In total, 30 appearances and 15 goals.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I recall reaching the play off final against Burnley and having only Bryson as a striker, due to injuries and sales etc. What a disaster rhat was!
We can't risk letting Ched out on loan where we are now.
He could make the difference at the end.

‘‘Twas Beattie not Bryson.

And it didn’t escape my attention that Semi Pro had a chomping at the bit Billy Sharp and a playing his last game for the Blades Danny Webber sat on their hands !

Cock.

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[BushBlade]

Alan Nixon’s ITK credentials are, and always have been, overstated on here. He gets some things right – he gets plenty completely wrong, and with us I think he’s served us two bits of speculative nonsense. I doubt Sharp is near an exit, and Wilder has already said in interviews this month that Evans is going nowhere. That’s sensible if we’re being careful about his recovery.

True dat.