Planning permission for the south stand

[Sheffsteel]

It’s difficult to see, but if you look closely there’s definitely a change in rake between the old seats and the new alongside the new media centre. It’s just not the best angle.

I don’t understand why the Kop has to go? With the redevelopment we’re getting;

1) an increase in capacity of 3,000 seats
2) indoor and more facilities
3) removal of the supporting pillars and new roof to improve sight lines
4) the new 3,000 seats will be at an increased rake to improve sight lines.

If you’re about to tell me that the leg room isn’t sufficient and the main body of the stand isn’t steep enough, I’d advise you look at the cost attributed to knocking it down and rebuilding it. Look at that against the fact that if we increased the rake and the leg room of the whole Kop it would actually reduce the capacity of the stand from what it is now, 10,200ish to probably around 8,000. Even if it was the size of the planned extension it would still be diddlysquat in terms of increased capacity. So what logic is there to spending £30m in doing so? There would never, ever be a return on investment.

Another massively important issue regards expansion plans is

How long will the building work take to complete and how will this reduce capacity?
Meaning losing income BEFORE the stand has even opened.

I’m certain in the original Kop plan it was explained that most of the Kop will remain open whilst the work is being done.
So minimal lost revenue. If it was a total rebuild from scratch losing 11,000 seats for 2 years would be a massive loss.
The bolt on design would only take 1 year to complete with the pillars replaced and new roof done during the Summer.

 

[alcoblade]

I say stop phaffin and get the building work done now,it will still be a pain as we are averaging 26k now.

Just pop down up the money tree?

 

[bladesmanluke]

I used to stand on the original Kop and have many wonderful memories of being on there. The eyesore that replaced it was the cheapest possible solution to the demands of the Taylor Report. 25 years later and it is still there, it wasn't good enough then to be honest (in the top flight), and it certainly isn’t good enough now. Personally speaking, my biggest beef is because of the poor rake you simply can't see the whole pitch. A touch below the six yard box and it's a big struggle to see what's going on; that really isn’t good enough I'm afraid, I don't think it's too much to ask to be able to see all the action is it? A basic pre requisite frankly; most of the League One stadia I visited had better views, that says it all!

If you read earlier posts you'll see my thoughts on it, but if we want a truly world class stadium the needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt properly, fully utilizing the space created underneath and behind the large plot it sits on.

As for the capacity and the cost, we don't know what those figures are, so probably best not to pluck figures out the air.

I've not been on the Kop for about 10 years and I have resigned myself to (probably) never going on it again as the current structure will remain and an extension bolted on the back of it. How very disappointing indeed........South Stand will look great though!

I don’t disagree with you and you’re right in that I plucked the capacity figures and costs out of the air, but it isn’t hard to imagine that it will be the case. I just don’t see the worth in spending many many more millions just to see the goal line a little bit clearer. We’ll have more quality seats in the new south stand top tier. Keep the Kop cheaper for the less well off folk

 

[Sheffsteel]

I don’t disagree with you and you’re right in that I plucked the capacity figures and costs out of the air, but it isn’t hard to imagine that it will be the case. I just don’t see the worth in spending many many more millions just to see the goal line a little bit clearer. We’ll have more quality seats in the new south stand top tier. Keep the Kop cheaper for the less well off folk

Agree, I went on the Kop in the 70’s and 80’s, the rake was similiar to what it is now. The view was never great.
If you had the money, you went in the posh seats in the South stand.

Think it’s really important we retain an area of the ground with cheap tickets that invariably means more basic facilities. However there’s basic and basic, getting soaked whilst queuing up at the catering kiosks isn’t acceptable really.

As already mentioned we are just speculating about building costs and rates of return etc.
However you can bet McCabe knows exactly how much the costs will be and time it will take to see a return on the investment.
As I said the closure or part closure of a stand will lose a massive amount of revenue.
Hence it’s a massive plus if stands can remain open whilst some building is being done.

 

[stringjunior]

Yes it could be a misleading image.

It may also be that the back 6 to 10 rows of the existing SS would be taken away for the new row of executive boxes and executive seats you can see.

Looking at the attached it looks like there are additional seats being added to the lower tier not seats taken away.

 

[metalblade]

Not sure I like the idea of a car park under the stand seems a bit of a fire risk if anyone parks a Vauxhall which tend to burst into flames for no reason.

 

[Selly]

If this does go ahead one of the stranger things will be the inevitable change in camera angle when we are on the telly. We've had pretty much the same camera angle for the last 40 years (notwithstanding some matches when John Street was "missing" i.e. the FA Cup game against Manu U), the cameras would be further back and proportionally higher than now (by the looks of the above)

 

[Piffle and Tosh]

Am I allowed to say I don't really like the look of it?

I don't think you are ,ok !

 

[blade too long]

Another massively important issue regards expansion plans is

How long will the building work take to complete and how will this reduce capacity?
Meaning losing income BEFORE the stand has even opened.

I’m certain in the original Kop plan it was explained that most of the Kop will remain open whilst the work is being done.
So minimal lost revenue. If it was a total rebuild from scratch losing 11,000 seats for 2 years would be a massive loss.
The bolt on design would only take 1 year to complete with the pillars replaced and new roof done during the Summer.

spurs are coping with it , the last thing we want is some nasty cheap add on
that we will need to rebuild again in 15 years
clear the kop utilise the underneath , have covered bars and modern loos
2000 square meter of concourse rather than freezing our nuts off queueing in the open air

Move forward or end up with a crumbling dated edifice like Chansiri's lumbered with

 

[Sean Thornton]

spurs are coping with it , the last thing we want is some nasty cheap add on
that we will need to rebuild again in 15 years
clear the kop utilise the underneath , have covered bars and modern loos
2000 square meter of concourse rather than freezing our nuts off queueing in the open air

Move forward or end up with a crumbling dated edifice like Chansiri's lumbered with

Spurs are playing at Wembley.........

 

[blade too long]

Spurs are playing at Wembley.........

werent first season and they are doing 3 and a half new stands
we would still get 20k plus with a flat kop first
then the south stand

 

[Sean Thornton]

werent first season and they are doing 3 and a half new stands
we would still get 20k plus with a flat kop first
then the south stand

They've been getting huge crowds at Wembley. It may have passed you by but we are actually averaging more than 20k at the moment.

 

[Sheffsteel]

clear the kop utilise the underneath , have covered bars and modern loos
2000 square meter of concourse rather than freezing our nuts off queueing in the open air

Agree queuing up outside in the rain is embarrassing for a modern club.
Maybe you misunderstand. The bolt-on design isn’t just adding seats at the back.

It’s creating a totally new undercover enclosed concourse area with loads of room for toilets and bars. It just won’t have the corporate and banqueting facilities but those facilities will all be in the South stand and John Street stand.

The bolt-on design will be a major upgrade and bring us into the 21st century.

 

[Slim Man]

Looks seriously smart and is long overdue.

 

[NuddysGloves]

Think it looks quality and really hope it goes ahead, if it doesn't happen then I'm blaming Lundstram.

 

[BushBlade]

They've been getting huge crowds at Wembley. It may have passed you by but we are actually averaging more than 20k at the moment.

I heard this week that the projected cost for the new stadium is now £1bn. Apparently it's being part funded by the NFL as they are going to host games there.

 

[JohnDenver]

I heard this week that the projected cost for the new stadium is now £1bn. Apparently it's being part funded by the NFL as they are going to host games there.

Levy is a clever bloke isn’t he. Maybe we can be part funded by the Rugby League. Might buy us a new bog seat or two for the Kop.

 

[BushBlade]

I used to stand on the original Kop and have many wonderful memories of being on there. The eyesore that replaced it was the cheapest possible solution to the demands of the Taylor Report. 25 years later and it is still there, it wasn't good enough then to be honest (in the top flight), and it certainly isn’t good enough now. Personally speaking, my biggest beef is because of the poor rake you simply can't see the whole pitch. A touch below the six yard box and it's a big struggle to see what's going on; that really isn’t good enough I'm afraid, I don't think it's too much to ask to be able to see all the action is it? A basic pre requisite frankly; most of the League One stadia I visited had better views, that says it all!

If you read earlier posts you'll see my thoughts on it, but if we want a truly world class stadium the needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt properly, fully utilizing the space created underneath and behind the large plot it sits on.

As for the capacity and the cost, we don't know what those figures are, so probably best not to pluck figures out the air.

I've not been on the Kop for about 10 years and I have resigned myself to (probably) never going on it again as the current structure will remain and an extension bolted on the back of it. How very disappointing indeed........South Stand will look great though!

We might want a truly world class stadium but the truth is we're not a world class club. Far from it.

 

[ShefRedandWhite]

We might want a truly world class stadium but the truth is we're not a world class club. Far from it.

It's dem shithouse fans holding it back isn't it?!

I'll kidney punch lot of em... us.. we...?




Bastards

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's dem shithouse fans holding it back isn't it?!

I'll kidney punch lot of em... us.. we...?




Bastards

Fans want modernised stadium

McCabe modernises stadium

McCabe puts rent up

Fans appalled and in uproar

 

[vorpal blade]

doesn't even rhyme.

 

[Sean Thornton]

As I understood it, money spent on the ground is nothing to do with the football side of the business - basically the ground is owned by McC who the football club pays rent to. Presumably, if Mr McLandlord spends gazillions on making our house better he will want us to pay more rent - but as long as the football club links the rent to attendances or league division membership the club should be OK. Question though - do corporate box revenues go to the club or to the owner?

Corporate revenues go to the club. Why wouldn't they?

 

[Sheffsteel]

We might want a truly world class stadium but the truth is we're not a world class club. Far from it.

And that’s the bottom line.

Idealistically I’d like to knock down the whole lot, turn the pitch round 90 degrees and start again building a 50K state of the art stadium. But we know in the real world that’s never going to ever happen.

We need to get the best stadium within the financial constraints considering what is practical and realistic.
There will be massive importance put on what income can be brought in on non match days.
Hence why we might build retail outlets, bars/ restaurants, student flats, corporate/ banqueting facilities, conference/ office space etc.

There MUST be a return on investment within a reasonable time frame.

 

[BushBlade]

As I understood it, money spent on the ground is nothing to do with the football side of the business - basically the ground is owned by McC who the football club pays rent to. Presumably, if Mr McLandlord spends gazillions on making our house better he will want us to pay more rent - but as long as the football club links the rent to attendances or league division membership the club should be OK. Question though - do corporate box revenues go to the club or to the owner?

Where is the actual money coming from then? Do you think KM will find it all out of his own pocket? Or will it be financed? If it's financed, who would loan us the money on the basis that if we got relegated the payments they receive would go down indefinitely?

 

[BushBlade]

And that’s the bottom line.

Idealistically I’d like to knock down the whole lot, turn the pitch round 90 degrees and start again building a 50K state of the art stadium. But we know in the real world that’s never going to ever happen.

We need to get the best stadium within the financial constraints considering what is practical and realistic.
There will be massive importance put on what income can be brought in on non match days.
Hence why we might build retail outlets, bars/ restaurants, student flats, corporate/ banqueting facilities, conference/ office space etc.

Don't disagree with any of that but this is Sheffield, only the flats would make serious money. How big is the demand for corporate banqueting etc?

 

[Bladeloyal]

Basically its to tie in the hotel with major conference facilities ,bramall lane isn't just a football ground ,it will be top end facilities ,safe underground parking ,state of the art media and conference venue ,new higher value boxes and seats in a stand that sells out nearly every game .if it all comes off we will have one of the top stadia in the north of england

 

[Bladeloyal]

Oh and Baldwins is shutting

 

[blade too long]

They've been getting huge crowds at Wembley. It may have passed you by but we are actually averaging more than 20k at the moment.

well other than moving to a new ground to keep upgrading the ground as all clubs with any modicum of ambition would do
theres going to be a bit of disruption, if its missing numbers your worried about we could do an Arsenal and paint some in

Arsenal managed to move forward despite 2 stands being improved , then went even bigger

 

[Sean Thornton]

well other than moving to a new ground to keep upgrading the ground as all clubs with any modicum of ambition would do
theres going to be a bit of disruption, if its missing numbers your worried about we could do an Arsenal and paint some in
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Arsenal managed to move forward despite 2 stands being improved , then went even bigger

But Spurs lost 3000 or so seats. You're talking about losing almost three times more.

 

[blade too long]

But Spurs lost 3000 or so seats. You're talking about losing almost three times more.

but we are averaging 25k , we could still get 22k in so wed be only 3000 down

we either move forward or stagnate and end up with the embarrassing rust bucket our neighbours have
they say its priority one for swfc , getting prem money to finally do it up they say cant think about it till they get there theres so much to do