Old big nose

[Booker4]

A mate of mine who is a Blade disagrees with me on Warnock. I find it annoying and insincere when he says at every club he manages that the fans are the best he's seen and that this is his best team etc - if I was one of the players at a team he said previously was the best I'd think that too, because he says it regularly and all his teams are at the same level, other than United in the prem. He was at Notts in the old top flight but they were relegated easily.

My mate though thinks its just Warnock getting carried away. Its what he does and to be honest I'm not that bothered about that, because its just him. What bothers me more is when he says he's a Blade etc and then wanted to manage Wednesday - twice. Every time Warnock's name comes up I'll say the same because he can never undo what he said. He has shown himself to not be the Blade that I thought he was but maybe he just can't help himself. Its early days from Tufty, but in my view he comes across as clearly having an affinity for United that he couldn't have elsewhere, maybe with the exception if he stays with another club for years and achieves success.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It is of course possible that he explored what was available and found there weren't good options for that money in the English market. He took a punt on Stead, a bargain at 750k – given his history of stockpiling strikers, do you think if there was another of that sort of value that he'd have turned down the opportunity to bring one in? The harsh reality is that the January window inflates fees for quality players – we should have had an eye on either the cash from an extra year at the top, or the parachute payments, and pushed the boat out for a quality striker.

Of course. But from wanting striker, he spent the money for the future. It makes no sense to me. Make sure we stay up and in theory he's got a £3m start next season. If he didn't buy for that season, did he think we were safe?

Seck and Fathi, on field wise were a disaster. I'm sure he could've found someone better, who could have done a job. I thought at the time, and still do, that the signings were "odd". Very odd indeed, especially as he kept reminding us, his contract hadn't been renewed for the"future".

 

[Dkc]

What bothers me more is when he says he's a Blade etc and then wanted to manage Wednesday .

"I would buy some bad players, get them relegated, get the sack and then retire to Cornwall" is his most famous quote about managing them.

Been debated before on here, he was never seriously in the running. It would be like us employing Megson.

 

[metalblade]

For every full season that Warnock was our manager we finished above Wednesday (7 in a row).

Enough said.

Now that wasn't very hard to do was it they were utter shit at the time and destined for league one.

 

[wizadry]

I don't get why any club would sack a promoted manager who's just taken a squad of his own players up. Ridiculous decision.

We were rarely in danger of going down, in fact how we eventually managed it was almost impossible. As suggested by the bookies, 33-1 to get relegated I believe.

We didn't spend millions, Shelton cost 2m....Fahti was 500k if I remember correctly...

Robbo got 4m after relegation just for Beattie!

I'd get rid of someone if they had proved before that they weren't good enough, bite the bullet and get someone else in. Easier said than done I know but that isn't my job.

I agree with your second paragraph which sort of enhances my point in my first post and paragraph.

We didn't spend loads but he did have some money and spent more than enough getting us to the Prem in the first place, and I'm one of the first to slag McCabe of when he's been a tight cunt. Sean Thornton has made this point previously a lot better than me.

 

[wizadry]

For every full season that Warnock was our manager we finished above Wednesday (7 in a row).

Enough said.

My aspirations have fuck all to do with those deluded cunts!

 

[Slim Man]

Neil Warnock is a Neil Warnock fan.

 

[Bladesway]

Imagine the scenario. Wilder gets us promoted entering the last year of his contract. Do we wait till the end of the season to see how he does in the Premier League before dealing with his contract? Or do we give him a slight extension to his deal, enabling him to fully focus on the job and have at least the appearance of stability for when he was managing existing players and going after transfer targets?

No because it would be two promotions back to back and he would have clearly put himself in Bassett territory if he did that.

 

[Bladesway]

Warnock should've gone when we got promotion to the Prem. When we got relegated he should've probably being kept, this was just two of his many clusterfuck decisions that McCabe made but we've moved on now and this has been discussed way too many times.

Easy to say now but at the time it would have taken someone of exceptional fibre to do that. The fans would have been in uproar at the time. I don't care for Warnock but let's not forget he is one of only two managers in recent history to get us to the top division. It is no mean feat.

 

[wizadry]

Easy to say now but at the time it would have taken someone of exceptional fibre to do that. The fans would have been in uproar at the time. I don't care for Warnock but let's not forget he is one of only two managers in recent history to get us to the top division. It is no mean feat.

I know it would've been by no means a universal decision but I said it as soon as we went up. Not on here because I wasn't on here but to everyone who I knew, NW is no good in the Prem. It wasn't hindsight from my point of view, Bw.

 

[Booker4]

"I would buy some bad players, get them relegated, get the sack and then retire to Cornwall" is his most famous quote about managing them.

Been debated before on here, he was never seriously in the running. It would be like us employing Megson.

Sorry that's jut not true mate. He was seriously in the running and it was Mandaric who went for him as he did at Pompey. Read these articles:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/neil-warnock-admits-sheffield-wednesday-2878133

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...y-to-keep-sheffield-wednesday-up-8989798.html

If you can't be bothered then read the comments below extracted from the article:

After famously joking that he would "f**k 'em up so badly" if he ever managed them, Neil Warnock claims he is interested in taking over at Sheffield Wednesday.

"The crowd can become a 12th man at Hillsborough. It's like the Leeds fans as well. They can get behind the team and it's intimidating. They are going to need that between now and the end of the season.”

"Last month it was Crystal Palace, this week it's Sheffield Wednesday, and it will be Wigan before the day is out. I've just got to be open and have a look at it. It's a challenge.

"But while fans never swap allegiance, once you are in the game you have to take professional decisions. Jamie Carragher, Ian Rush, Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen all supported Everton as boys, but it didn’t stop them becoming great players for Liverpool. So when Wednesday’s chairman, Milan Mandaric, phoned me last Monday and told me he believed I could come in on a short-term contract and keep the club up, my being a Blade wasn’t a problem to me"

The difference between Owen, Rush and co is that they never spent 8 years at a club and then later joined their rivals. Also the rivalry between Everton and Liverpool is unique in that both clubs respect each other and feel a close bond as Liverpudlians. That's not the case between the two Sheffield clubs is it!? You can find many articles that say Warnock and Mandaric talked it over and decided that it was a non-starter and how he thought it was never possible because he is a "Blade"! However in the week he was been linked with the job he was coming out with the first three quotes. Whether he got the job is almost irrelevant. Yes he's a professional but any real Blade that was already established (as he was at 65) would have stamped it out immediately with something like "I'm a Blade, I have also managed United, with all respect to Wednesday they're not a club I would ever want to manage".

He in fact did the opposite and in reality it only didn't happen because Warnock and Mandaric realised it would be difficult to bridge his past connections and supposed support for United. Warnock never mentioned that ruining his rapport with United was a factor, but from Wednesday fans and the press who would be focusing on how it had potentially turned sour.

 

[The Crab]

Easy to say now but at the time it would have taken someone of exceptional fibre to do that. The fans would have been in uproar at the time. I don't care for Warnock but let's not forget he is one of only two managers in recent history to get us to the top division. It is no mean feat.

Absolutely no mean feat, and it should remain recognised as a great time in our history. IMHO though, tainted somewhat by all the self publicising stuff, all the "best bunch of lads" bollocks at every club, all the its always someone elses fault. His record since leaving us is proving what he always has been, a manager who will get you there, but not keep you there. But in my case that is all benefit of hindsight stuff, at the time yes you are right, there'd have been uproar if he'd been sacked most likely.

 

[Bladesway]

Absolutely no mean feat, and it should remain recognised as a great time in our history. IMHO though, tainted somewhat by all the self publicising stuff, all the "best bunch of lads" bollocks at every club, all the its always someone elses fault. His record since leaving us is proving what he always has been, a manager who will get you there, but not keep you there. But in my case that is all benefit of hindsight stuff, at the time yes you are right, there'd have been uproar if he'd been sacked most likely.

There are so many things that make him devisive and some of what he was involved in was plain ugly (Battle of Bramall Lane for instance). The Portsmouth thing, every defeat being a refereeing error, the list goes on. But I guess Alex Ferguson isn't a nice bloke. Fucking great manager though.

 

[The Crab]

There are so many things that make him devisive and some of what he was involved in was plain ugly (Battle of Bramall Lane for instance). The Portsmouth thing, every defeat being a refereeing error, the list goes on. But I guess Alex Ferguson isn't a nice bloke. Fucking great manager though.

I'd guess you could add Brian Clough into that mix as well. Ultimately, it's all about results.

 

[Booker4]

I'd guess you could add Brian Clough into that mix as well. Ultimately, it's all about results.

Warnocks a great manager - no doubt about that. And even though I have found his comments very annoying at times and shown him to not be full of integrity, I wanted him back when we sacked (wrongly) Wilson. Warnock would have got us up, if not then the season after, and we'd have avoided Weir and Clough's expensive near miss season. We should never have sacked him the first time round and who knows we may well still be in the Premier League as he would have got us promoted back first time of asking I reckon.

 

[The Crab]

Warnocks a great manager - no doubt about that. And even though I have found his comments very annoying at times and shown him to not be full of integrity, I wanted him back when we sacked (wrongly) Wilson. Warnock would have got us up, if not then the season after, and we'd have avoided Weir and Clough's expensive near miss season. We should never have sacked him the first time round and who knows we may well still be in the Premier League as he would have got us promoted back first time of asking I reckon.

Gut feeling, and not really based on any facts or ITK, Warnock would never and will never be back whilst Mcabe is here.

With Weir and Clough, I think we're back to hindsight again. Weir was a bit left field, but I sort of saw the logic. Few of us would have known what a Clusterfuck that would turn into and quickly.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

No because it would be two promotions back to back and he would have clearly put himself in Bassett territory if he did that.

Would he? I'm a big fan of Wilder, but I wouldn't be confident of him definitely being a success at that level.

For all the talk of Warnock being completely out of his depth, for a side that were nearly universally tipped to be relegated he was within a single goal of proving them all wrong. The fact we were still in with a chance of survival on the final day was in itself higher than most people's explectarions for us.

 

[BushBlade]

I know it would've been by no means a universal decision but I said it as soon as we went up. Not on here because I wasn't on here but to everyone who I knew, NW is no good in the Prem. It wasn't hindsight from my point of view, Bw.

Since then, a couple of clubs have shown you can sack a manager who gets you up and successfully appoint a replacement but at the time NW took us up, it was pretty much unheard of. If Warnock had been sacked after taking us up and we'd have gone down anyway (which is the most likely outcome based on our spend that season and KM's ability to pick out a turd from a field of diamonds) Warnock would have achieved martyrdom.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Give over. The bloke gave everything for this club and he's a great character to still have in the game.

So what if he's a bit arrogant and talks shite sometimes? All the best managers do.

Don't understand why people still feel the need to slag him off when he's at least the second best manager we've had in the past 30 years.

Too true PN81 and built the academy which has produced for us . I think both Warnock & Wilder have a lot of respect for each other . Be an interesting battle .

 

[snootyfenooty]

Of course Warnock's current team are "the best set of lad's I've managed". What's he supposed to say, they're the second best set after the Blades team he managed just to shut a few bitter Blades up. If you stop and think for a minute, all Warnock's teams are a great set of lads, that's how he moulds and motivates a team and that's his greatest attribute. That's also why he's still in demand as a manager at 70. Fucking hell, there's some delicate little flowers on here.

 

[BushBlade]

Of course. But from wanting striker, he spent the money for the future. It makes no sense to me. Make sure we stay up and in theory he's got a £3m start next season. If he didn't buy for that season, did he think we were safe?

Seck and Fathi, on field wise were a disaster. I'm sure he could've found someone better, who could have done a job. I thought at the time, and still do, that the signings were "odd". Very odd indeed, especially as he kept reminding us, his contract hadn't been renewed for the"future".

Too subtle. Even if you'd actually said he was taking back handers some on here would miss the point.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I wonder if young William has a Cardiff shirt yet?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Now that wasn't very hard to do was it they were utter shit at the time and destined for league one.

Yeah and we were heading for League One UNTIL we brought Warnock in.

 

[Bladesway]

Too true PN81 and built the academy which has produced for us . I think both Warnock & Wilder have a lot of respect for each other . Be an interesting battle .

Who Warnock?

 

[wizadry]

Since then, a couple of clubs have shown you can sack a manager who gets you up and successfully appoint a replacement but at the time NW took us up, it was pretty much unheard of. If Warnock had been sacked after taking us up and we'd have gone down anyway (which is the most likely outcome based on our spend that season and KM's ability to pick out a turd from a field of diamonds) Warnock would have achieved martyrdom.

All fair points, you could say I started the trend, BB?

On a more serious note, none of us can say for definite what would have happened in the Prem if someone else was our manager instead of Warnock but as pointed out previously, he did make some strange signings in that Prem season.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Too true PN81 and built the academy which has produced for us . I think both Warnock & Wilder have a lot of respect for each other . Be an interesting battle .

Warnock built the academy? I'd think McCabe and Ron Reid may disagree. He hardly had anything to do with it. A tale of his own making I'm afraid.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Who Warnock?

Loaned us his tractor.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Of course Warnock's current team are "the best set of lad's I've managed". What's he supposed to say, they're the second best set after the Blades team he managed just to shut a few bitter Blades up. If you stop and think for a minute, all Warnock's teams are a great set of lads, that's how he moulds and motivates a team and that's his greatest attribute. That's also why he's still in demand as a manager at 70. Fucking hell, there's some delicate little flowers on here.

I have no issue at all with his best fans etc comments. That's what he does. It's part of his motivational style. Any negative thoughts are based entirely what he did with us and are posted above.

 

[Pinchy]

Really ruined both the derby and our chances for promotion...

Warnock quite understandably was probably getting rather annoyed that his position at the club was being taken for granted, i.e we could pay him less, give him less transfer budget than his counterparts elsewhere, because he's a Blade that would never dream of leaving the club. He deserved a new contract based on his promotion. I can't imagine any other manager of the club that would following a promotion be left with a one-year deal. Adding a year with a moderate wage increase would have taken the whole issue off the table, and would have been peanuts in the event he was moved on early. The whole incident was the start of the multiyear period of McCabe mishandling key decisions of the club.

What he actually deserved after promotion was the sack. KM has said so in terms since.

The hooter was out of its depth (and that's a very long way!) in the Prem as it always has been.

That's why him, he likes the Championship, him.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Warnock built the academy? I'd think McCabe and Ron Reid may disagree. He hardly had anything to do with it. A tale of his own making I'm afraid.

Didn't Warnock's brother (John?) have some input as well? NW's significant contribution was his insistence that if he had to sell players to keep the club afloat, then 25% of the receipts went into the running of the academy.