CW needs a new contract and now!

[Bladesway]

McCabe didn't offer Warnock an improved contract when he took us to the prem. it was one of the main reasons they fell out and why he left ultimately. Hopefully McCabe won't make the same mistake again- but he will.

No, McCabe fell out with Warnock the same way every chairman falls out with Warnock, because of Warnock. Read his book theres a pattern.

 

[The Crab]

No, McCabe fell out with Warnock the same way every chairman falls out with Warnock, because of Warnock. Read his book theres a pattern.

I think what Warnock did for us was great, but I'd have to agree, his book is just a few hundred pages of "it's someone elses fault"

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

We all need to calm down a bit regarding Wilder. Up until last season his managerial career has been underwhelming and has consisted mostly of non-league and league 2 football. OK, he got us out of league 1 but given our budget, facilities and resources that should have been a given years ago.

Now, before you all succumb to rage and launch yourselves at the keyboard, what Wilder's actually done is fulfil United's potential and raised his stock a notch by getting out of this fucking league. What happens next is what will determine Wilders future prospects. If we finish in the play-offs or better then the spotlight will be on him no doubt and the big boys will start (emphasise start) to take notice. If we finish mid-table or lower then both he and United will remain in relative obscurity. In other words no one will give a fuck.

What you have to remember is that United are historically a respected club and most football fans outside of Sheffield would expect to see them in a better position than they have been for the past 7 years. The recent promotion would have been looked upon as an "about fucking time" rather than "cor that Wilder must be a reight manager".

So sit down and relax, Wilder's going nowhere, he's still got something to prove yet.

Much more eloquently put than my asinine ramblings...

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

We need him more than he needs us? All this lairyness that we won't leave cos he's a Blade, is just condescending bollocks. The man knows his stock value. Meet it or we risk losing him.

Wilder stock is high , but is he still viewed as a risk by some in football . He would be in vogue if he was German and named Kristof Vilder . His stock would be sky high then . The Liverpool manager seems to be setting a new trend as clubs tread into the unknown .

What next English and old school is the new school . Sheffield United Football Club have finally got a management appointment right who is loved by the fans and respected by others .

 

[GrayBlade]

We all need to calm down a bit regarding Wilder. Up until last season his managerial career has been underwhelming and has consisted mostly of non-league and league 2 football. OK, he got us out of league 1 but given our budget, facilities and resources that should have been a given years ago.

Now, before you all succumb to rage and launch yourselves at the keyboard, what Wilder's actually done is fulfil United's potential and raised his stock a notch by getting out of this fucking league. What happens next is what will determine Wilders future prospects. If we finish in the play-offs or better then the spotlight will be on him no doubt and the big boys will start (emphasise start) to take notice. If we finish mid-table or lower then both he and United will remain in relative obscurity. In other words no one will give a fuck.

What you have to remember is that United are historically a respected club and most football fans outside of Sheffield would expect to see them in a better position than they have been for the past 7 years. The recent promotion would have been looked upon as an "about fucking time" rather than "cor that Wilder must be a reight manager".

So sit down and relax, Wilder's going nowhere, he's still got something to prove yet.

I take some of your points, but league 2 or not, no way was what Wilder achieved at Northampton 'underwhelming'. I think it was outstanding management at any level. Building a team that walked the league from scratch with little money, not even enough to even pay wages at times.

I personally think that there's a lot of bollox spoken about managing in this division or that. It'd be interesting how some of 'big names' would handle living from hand to mouth because they've gone straight in at the top end and always had money to spend relatively. Maybe their main strength is that they can handle the bigger names and egos, but sometimes a manager has a good season early on in his career at a high level and manage to live off it for years, getting upper league jobs despite achieving nothing else much.

Others seem to have to serve their time before getting noticed (if ever) despite reasonable records. I think it often depends on the size of the club that gives them their chance early on, a bit like business in the real world.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I take some of your points, but league 2 or not, no way was what Wilder achieved at Northampton 'underwhelming'. I think it was outstanding management at any level. Building a team that walked the league from scratch with little money, not even enough to even pay wages at times.

I personally think that there's a lot of bollox spoken about managing in this division or that. It'd be interesting how some of 'big names' would handle living from hand to mouth because they've gone straight in at the top end and always had money to spend relatively. Maybe their main strength is that they can handle the bigger names and egos, but sometimes a manager has a good season early on in his career at a high level and manage to live off it for years, getting upper league jobs despite achieving nothing else much.

Others seem to have to serve their time before getting noticed (if ever) despite reasonable records. I think it often depends on the size of the club that gives them their chance early on, a bit like business in the real world.

Gray, I agree with what you are saying, your view mirrors my personal view.

But in this day an age for the ordinary fan league 2 and to a degree league 1 don't exist.
So it doesn't matter what a player or manager does, regards the bigger picture it's not even recognised.

Knowledgable people within the game will rate the likes of Wilder and Mark Cooper at Forest Green
But these days the trend is that manager appointments is about eye candy, pr and prestige.
Almost every fan in the Championship would initially have serious concerns if their club appointed Wilder.
The only ones that would accept it is if those clubs were desperate and wanted a last throw of the dice.

 

[Norderner]

Naaaaa, CW will have a progressive contract, much the same has his players, can't see anything rufeling his feathers, also I think it would be wrong for him to say 'hay look what I have done' Chris ain't like that! He's got unfinished business at the Lane and as long as he gets the support and commitment from Kev and the prince that will suffice.

Adkins was apparently on £850,000 when he was here! Seen reports that CW was on £200,000 last season? Adkins figure could be dogshit, (was his salary in the accounts?) but that's what I read somewhere? Puts things into perspective if true? We couldn't be in better hands at the minute. He's one of us, so reward him properly. Be proactive for a change Blades, not reactive.

 

[Blade58]

1. Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   #sufc boss CW says he's yet to hold talks with John Brayford about his future as he's on holiday. Talks are planned upon his return.
   
   3 replies .8 retweets20 likes
   
2. 
   Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   #sufc boss CW says bids for Holmes and Leonard are at early stages. "Nothing is imminent."
   
   1 reply .7 retweets19 likes
   
3. 
   Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   Both Walker and Maguire have both been linked with move away from their current clubs. 2/2
   
   1 reply .5 retweets14 likes
   
4. 
   Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   #sufc boss CW says he'd be "surprised" if there wasn't sell on clauses in Kyle Walker and Harry Maguire's contracts at #THFC and Hull. 1/2
   
   4 replies .9 retweets22 likes
   
5. 
   Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   #sufc boss Chris Wilder confirms Ben Whiteman's loan to #drfc will happen.
   

 

[BushBlade]

I take some of your points, but league 2 or not, no way was what Wilder achieved at Northampton 'underwhelming'. I think it was outstanding management at any level. Building a team that walked the league from scratch with little money, not even enough to even pay wages at times.

I personally think that there's a lot of bollox spoken about managing in this division or that. It'd be interesting how some of 'big names' would handle living from hand to mouth because they've gone straight in at the top end and always had money to spend relatively. Maybe their main strength is that they can handle the bigger names and egos, but sometimes a manager has a good season early on in his career at a high level and manage to live off it for years, getting upper league jobs despite achieving nothing else much.

Others seem to have to serve their time before getting noticed (if ever) despite reasonable records. I think it often depends on the size of the club that gives them their chance early on, a bit like business in the real world.

Players tend to perpetuate the myth that because someone is a good player, they'll make a good manager. I hear it from pundits all the time, crap like 'Stevie G has so much to offer, so much he can teach young players' without the caveat that he's a sullen, uncommunicative, up himself, prick whose idea of leadership is 'oh FFS, I'll do it then'.

So someone like him or Giggs gets offered a championship job when someone like Wilder gets Halifax. Not because of their coaching ability or man-management skills, simply because they were better players. And you're right that it's symptomatic right through all businesses in this country. It's well recognised that managers in technical jobs often get promoted because of their technical skills, not their man management skills. And often make shit managers.

That said, football is meritocratic and anyone who can't actually do the job soon gets found out.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Adkins was apparently on £850,000 when he was here! Seen reports that CW was on £200,000 last season? Adkins figure could be dogshit, (was his salary in the accounts?) but that's what I read somewhere? Puts things into perspective if true? We couldn't be in better hands at the minute. He's one of us, so reward him properly. Be proactive for a change Blades, not reactive.

We've been proactive in the past and it's been a big mistake.
Maybe McCabe has finally learnt his lesson.

The manager/ players needs to provide the performance/ results first, then they get the rewards.
It would be a leap of faith to pay a rookie manager in Championship proper Championship level wages
I suspect Mcacabe will wait until Xmas time, see how Wilder has adapted in his new division and reward him accordingly. That's how Wilders deals with his players, so surely Wilder will expect the same treatment.

 

[Sheffsteel]

1. Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   #sufc boss CW says he's yet to hold talks with John Brayford about his future as he's on holiday. Talks are planned upon his return.
   
   3 replies .8 retweets20 likes
   
2. 
   Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   #sufc boss CW says bids for Holmes and Leonard are at early stages. "Nothing is imminent."
   
   1 reply .7 retweets19 likes
   
3. 
   Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   Both Walker and Maguire have both been linked with move away from their current clubs. 2/2
   
   1 reply .5 retweets14 likes
   
4. 
   Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   #sufc boss CW says he'd be "surprised" if there wasn't sell on clauses in Kyle Walker and Harry Maguire's contracts at #THFC and Hull. 1/2
   
   4 replies .9 retweets22 likes
   
5. 
   Andy Giddings‏@Gids1980 2h2 hours ago
   #sufc boss Chris Wilder confirms Ben Whiteman's loan to #drfc will happen.

Surprised that Wilder is surprised about sell on clauses.
You would expect him to know if we could be due a windfall from any sales of Walker and Maguire.

 

[BushBlade]

Surprised that Wilder is surprised about sell on clauses.
You would expect him to know if we could be due a windfall from any sales of Walker and Maguire.

Maybe he does know but doesn't want to answer the question in detail. Why does everyone assume CW is some kind of village idiot who can only speak the truth. We all lie, for good reasons usually, to prevent us hurting other people's feelings, to protect people, to manage people. CW will be no different.

He's a good manager who's done a great job for us, not the second coming of Christ. We don't have to analyse his every word looking for meanings and then debate it for the next two thousand years.

It's going to be a long close season.

 

[Norderner]

We've been proactive in the past and it's been a big mistake.
Maybe McCabe has finally learnt his lesson.

The manager/ players needs to provide the performance/ results first, then they get the rewards.
It would be a leap of faith to pay a rookie manager in Championship proper Championship level wages
I suspect Mcacabe will wait until Xmas time, see how Wilder has adapted in his new division and reward him accordingly. That's how Wilders deals with his players, so surely Wilder will expect the same treatment.

You mean like the rookie manager he was in the 3rd division as well?!!!! Never been in that fucker either had he? Didn't stop him taking the piss though, did it? I suggest you watch last nights interview on Sheffield live. What a breath of fresh air. No such thing as consolidation, and football is football, no matter what division your in. To paraphrase CW, too many dickheads trying to complicate a simple game. Wouldn't swap him for anyone at this moment in time. Now up to the board to give him the tools he requires.

 

[BushBlade]

We've been proactive in the past and it's been a big mistake.
Maybe McCabe has finally learnt his lesson.

The manager/ players needs to provide the performance/ results first, then they get the rewards.
It would be a leap of faith to pay a rookie manager in Championship proper Championship level wages
I suspect Mcacabe will wait until Xmas time, see how Wilder has adapted in his new division and reward him accordingly. That's how Wilders deals with his players, so surely Wilder will expect the same treatment.

Being proactive is rarely a mistake. I'm not sure which period you're referring to but you don't stop doing things because you get it wrong, you keep trying to get it right. Or you give up and achieve nothing.

The idea that KM should wait until Christmas before offering CW a new contract doesn't sit right with me. It shows a real lack of faith.

But as I've said, any contract discussions will be done in private, not via Sheffield Live.

 

[Sheffsteel]

You mean like the rookie manager he was in the 3rd division as well?!!!! Never been in that fucker either had he? Didn't stop him taking the piss though, did it? I suggest you watch last nights interview on Sheffield live. What a breath of fresh air. No such thing as consolidation, and football is football, no matter what division your in. To paraphrase CW, too many dickheads trying to complicate a simple game. Wouldn't swap him for anyone at this moment in time. Now up to the board to give him the tools he requires.

I totally agree and have full faith in Wilder
But you can just imagine if we start badly there will be loads wanting his sacked.

For me he's won a long long period of goodwill and support, just hope me fellow supporters feel the same. I remember when Bassett got sacked, there was no anti Bassett feeling and vitriol at the time.

If we go on a bad run and I hear personal abuse directed at Wilder I will feel like punching my fellow Blade and I'm far from a violent man. I would struggle to control my anger. Wilder is the best thing that has happened to this club since Bassett.

 

[BushBlade]

I totally agree and have full faith in Wilder
But you can just imagine if we start badly there will be loads wanting his sacked.

For me he's won a long long period of goodwill and support, just hope me fellow supporters feel the same. I remember when Bassett got sacked, there was no anti Bassett feeling and vitriol at the time.

If we go on a bad run and I hear personal abuse directed at Wilder I will feel like punching my fellow Blade and I'm far from a violent man. I would struggle to control my anger. Wilder is the best thing that has happened to this club since Bassett.

Sorry to keep contradicting you but I recall Blades fighting about Bassett in his last days.

 

[Norderner]

I totally agree and have full faith in Wilder
But you can just imagine if we start badly there will be loads wanting his sacked.

For me he's won a long long period of goodwill and support, just hope me fellow supporters feel the same.
I remember when Bassett got sacked, there was no anti Bassett feeling and vitriol at the time.

If we go on a bad run and I hear personal abuse directed at Wilder I will feel like punching my fellow Blade and I'm far from a violent man. I wouldn't struggle to control my anger. Wilder is the best thing that has happened to this club since Bassett.

I think a few muppets would whine. But I'm of the opinion that 95% of Blades realise we've got lucky with CW. He's not and never will be a miracle worker, but with the momentum and goodwill he's created, you would have to be either a Pig, or tapped in the head to get on the fellas back. Our biggest worry is that the board take him for granted and don't look after him, then he gets headhunted by another club.

 

[Lawrence]

Adkins was apparently on £850,000 when he was here! Seen reports that CW was on £200,000 last season? Adkins figure could be dogshit, (was his salary in the accounts?) but that's what I read somewhere? Puts things into perspective if true? We couldn't be in better hands at the minute. He's one of us, so reward him properly. Be proactive for a change Blades, not reactive.

Yes I like what you are saying, I think we can all agree that he deserves everything he gets, I think he will have a contract That reflects his and the clubs progression. this will already have been adjusted accordingly. I think, and CW thinks that his priorities at the moment are getting everything in place and ready for the championship campaign. I don't for one minute think that Chris will be concerned about his contract and that his £850.000 contract will be along soon enough

 

[Sean Thornton]

So was he annoyed or relaxed about it?

 

[Th!stledo]

I feel CW should be given a new contract with every thing that he asks for. He is a man of integrity and after saying that he will make sure no player shafts the company, will not be looking to do so himself.

 

[BushBlade]

So was he annoyed or relaxed about it?

We should ask an expert on body language.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We should ask an expert on body language.

Dr McNulty of BladesMad fame?

 

[Sheffsteel]

Maybe he does know but doesn't want to answer the question in detail. Why does everyone assume CW is some kind of village idiot who can only speak the truth. We all lie, for good reasons usually, to prevent us hurting other people's feelings, to protect people, to manage people. CW will be no different.

He's a good manager who's done a great job for us, not the second coming of Christ. We don't have to analyse his every word looking for meanings and then debate it for the next two thousand years.

It's going to be a long close season.

Made me laugh out loud that post.
Wilder is like the new Messiah, some are hanging on his every word.
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naught boy ha.

 

[Tezza1889]

He's not the messiah....he's a naughty (peroni slurping) boy..

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

So was he annoyed or relaxed about it?

We should ask an expert on body language.

He looked contentedly overweight.

(©Alfreton Body Language Interpretation Services plc)

 

[JJBlade]

I think in this particular case Wilder is bigger than the club because without him we might be in Division Four now

Although he's made some changes there is still a strong presence in the team left over from previous managers who couldn't get nothing out of them

If we'd kept Adkins does anybody think we'd have avoided relegation this year ?

 

[Norderner]

I think in this particular case Wilder is bigger than the club because without him we might be in Division Four now

Although he's made some changes there is still a strong presence in the team left over from previous managers who couldn't get nothing out of them

If we'd kept Adkins does anybody think we'd have avoided relegation this year ?

Not sure we'd have gone down, but I do know we wouldn't have ripped the league a new one! And I suspect we'd still be rotting in the hell hole that is division 3.

 

[The Crab]

Maybe he does know but doesn't want to answer the question in detail. Why does everyone assume CW is some kind of village idiot who can only speak the truth. We all lie, for good reasons usually, to prevent us hurting other people's feelings, to protect people, to manage people. CW will be no different.

He's a good manager who's done a great job for us, not the second coming of Christ. We don't have to analyse his every word looking for meanings and then debate it for the next two thousand years.

It's going to be a long close season.

 

[The Crab]

I think in this particular case Wilder is bigger than the club because without him we might be in Division Four now

Although he's made some changes there is still a strong presence in the team left over from previous managers who couldn't get nothing out of them

If we'd kept Adkins does anybody think we'd have avoided relegation this year ?

Yes, I think it'd have been lower mid table mediocrity.