Wilder on Ched

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Pedro's Winger said:
It's not rumours that McCabe kept in close contact with Evans or that a previous manager went to see him in prison or that we tried to bring him back over two years ago.
The notion that Wilder woke up one day and thought let's sign Ched Evans without there being a well-known back story to it all is obviously nonsense.
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Pedro's Winger said:
It's not rumours that McCabe kept in close contact with Evans or that a previous manager went to see him in prison or that we tried to bring him back over two years ago.
The notion that Wilder woke up one day and thought let's sign Ched Evans without there being a well-known back story to it all is obviously nonsense.
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So what Chris said yesterday is not good enough for you,the man said if he was forced to sign anyone he would shake hands and walk away,is that not clear enough,he has put that out into the public domain
 
BushBlade said:
No, you didn't explain your thoughts. What do you mean by 'taken one for the team'? There's more than one interpretation of that.
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If the appropriate definition of "taking one for the team" is having to endure a steamy threesome for a weekend with Kelly Brook and Scarlett Johannsen ......... then I will be upfront and say guys ...... I will do it !!

You can rely on me fellow Blades ;):D:)

UTB & FTP
 
Sheffsteel said:
Exactly what I expected. McCabes not stupid to bring in a player that's not wanted by the manager.

I still believe it's McCabes signing but Wilder was given the final say on it. Also there's no way Wilder would be pressured into accepting the signing.

Wilder is a pro, when given the chance to bring in a player that has the potential to be the best striker at the club then of course he's going to be interested. But of course Ched will now need to prove himself.

The only issue for Wilder is he doesn't want to bring in anyone with a poor attitude or someone that could damage the great team spirit within the club. Wilder will had spoke to people within the game that know Cheds character, he'll have spoken to former team mate, Sharp and especially O'Shea and our management team have then decided he's worth the risk. No surprises really.
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100% right. It's going to take some time for us to realise this, but Wilder is a 'Special One'. Look how he included Done, McNulty and Scougall in the after-game celebrations at the Chesterfield game and the trip to Vegas. They know they're on the way out but have been fullsome in their praise for the Blades. Wilder is one of us, who has suffered the knocks we all get in life.
 
So is this how it is going to be from now on - if anyone refuses to interpret Wilder's holy utterings as something pure and absolute, they are going to be vilified and punished?

Some people simply think that our previous connection to Evans and McCabe's relationship with him may have opened / probably did open the door to his re-signing, may have pointed Wilder in that direction and/or it could have been as good as lined up just waiting for the nod from Wilder. None of that means it wasn't Wilder's decision, which is all he's said.

Wilder's done fantastically well so far, better than anyone could have imagined, but putting him on that sort of pedastal might cause problems going forwards. He's bound to make mistakes and he's bound to say things in interviews which don't quite add up, people are going to have varying opinions on that and there are going to be some lively arguements if some people refuse to allow the slightest dissent.
 
Ginger Gnome said:
The word "ultimately" could possibly suggest it wasn't his idea in the first place, but it also confirms it was his decision in the end.
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Hey less than 4 lines on a 10 page thread and probably the most sensible thing on here
 
Hamburg Blade said:
So is this how it is going to be from now on - if anyone refuses to interpret Wilder's holy utterings as something pure and absolute, they are going to be vilified and punished?

Some people simply think that our previous connection to Evans and McCabe's relationship with him may have opened / probably did open the door to his re-signing, may have pointed Wilder in that direction and/or it could have been as good as lined up just waiting for the nod from Wilder. None of that means it wasn't Wilder's decision, which is all he's said.

Wilder's done fantastically well so far, better than anyone could have imagined, but putting him on that sort of pedastal might cause problems going forwards. He's bound to make mistakes and he's bound to say things in interviews which don't quite add up, people are going to have varying opinions on that and there are going to be some lively arguements if some people refuse to allow the slightest dissent.
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No Hamburg , this isn't how it's going to be from now on . I fully expect and welcome challenges to Wilder's recruitment policy in terms of both the ability of new signings and their relative positions in the team/squad . In Ched Evans case , I , along with numerous other posters , have challenged his signing on the grounds of footballing ability and value to the team . I still have serious doubts over his overall fitness levels for example .

But what should never be allowed is disingenuous , unfair and just plain wrong insinuations and direct accusations of Chris Wilder's integrity in ANY area of his remit as OUR manager .

If anyone thinks McCabe is a full weight cunt , fine . Tell us he's a cunt and then tell us why .

If anyone thinks that Wilder's signings are shit , fine . Tell us they are shit and then tell us why .

But don't tell us McCabe's a cunt and a shit signing by Chris Wilder in yout opinion are inextricably linked when Wilder has gone out of his way to dismiss such speculation . To do this , in the manner that some posters have done is not only wrong it directly questions CW'S integrity and that should be challenged .
 
coolhandluke said:
But don't tell us McCabe's a cunt and a shit signing by Chris Wilder in yout opinion are inextricably linked when Wilder has gone out of his way to dismiss such speculation.
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This bit here. Where have I said any of that? Where has anybody? Nor has Wilder said anything other than that the signing was his decision, he never said no one else was involved, which as far as I can remember only one post has questioned ("taken one for the team"). You seem to be demanding that other people accept your interpretation of words Wilder used in the interview. I don't agree with that interpretation - though for the record I'm not particularly concerned whether McCabe had an input or not.
 
I would guess our interest in any player would be initiated by Paul Mitchell (chief scout) or a host of others scouting for the club. For me the important point is that CW has made it clear that he makes the ultimate decision on whether a player joins the club or not and this was the case with Evans.

I, for one, believe that CW has earned our respect and fail to understand how anyone can question his integrity.
 
Th!stledo said:
I would guess our interest in any player would be initiated by Paul Mitchell (chief scout) or a host of others scouting for the club. For me the important point is that CW has made it clear that he makes the ultimate decision on whether a player joins the club or not and this was the case with Evans.

I, for one, believe that CW has earned our respect and fail to understand how anyone can question his integrity.
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They question his integrity because they have nothing better to do. Does it matter as long as CW wants the player ?? Fuck me, all this guessing and assuming that there are problems all the time. Our best season for years and what do we get ... Evans returns and it's as big a conspiracy as who shot Kennedy and Watergate all rolled into one !!
 
Can anyone answer me why McCabe would be so desperate to sign Ched?

People say McCabe is forcing CW to take him ? Why would he? Doesn't make sense.
 
TC's Magic Boots said:
They question his integrity because they have nothing better to do. Does it matter as long as CW wants the player ?? Fuck me, all this guessing and assuming that there are problems all the time. Our best season for years and what do we get ... Evans returns and it's as big a conspiracy as who shot Kennedy and Watergate all rolled into one !!
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Your incorrect mate. It's not all guessing as you say. CW said he wants him 100%. It's finished no guess work needed.
 
Bladezz said:
Your incorrect mate. It's not all guessing as you say. CW said he wants him 100%. It's finished no guess work needed.
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That's the point I was making Bladezz, as you say CW wants him so why do people have to assume there are any problems.
 



TC's Magic Boots said:
That's the point I was making Bladezz, as you say CW wants him so why do people have to assume there are any problems.
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It seems that the same people who vehemently didn't want Ched back are the same people who believe that Wilder didn't actively imitate this signing. The fact is.... he did, which is hard for people here to accept. They want a villain in McCabe to blame for this signing despite it having nothing to do with them, and are even prepared to slight Wilder in the process by implying he wasn't truthful to us in the interview.

Yes, there were board involvement in the past over this issue, but correlation does not imply causation in this instance.

'You use ultimately to indicate that what you are saying is the most important point in a discussion.'

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ultimately which is clearly what Wilder meant, that the most important point is that this is 100% his signing and had 0% to do with the board
 
TC's Magic Boots said:
That's the point I was making Bladezz, as you say CW wants him so why do people have to assume there are any problems.
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You have to ask those desperately trying to point out Chris is lying,some are motivated,like Alfreton because of a pure hatred of Ched,some because it paints McCabe in a bad light
 
This thread still going then ?
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Fuck me, anybody would think Wilder had signed Ched Evans or summat!!!!!!
 
Tunstall Fred said:
You have to ask those desperately trying to point out Chris is lying,some are motivated,like Alfreton because of a pure hatred of Ched,some because it paints McCabe in a bad light
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Those toeing the party line are the scum of the earth. Err, unless.....,
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
You're obsessed, mate.
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"Toeing the party line....."


If it wasn't such a pathetic comment it would be funny. If anyone toes a party line it's you. Your take on things is based purely on your opinion which is at odds with the facts as reported. It doesn't suit, okay, stop twisting the comments.
 



Sean Thornton said:
"Toeing the party line....."


If it wasn't such a pathetic comment it would be funny. If anyone toes a party line it's you. Your take on things is based purely on your opinion which is at odds with the facts as reported. It doesn't suit, okay, stop twisting the comments.
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Another obsessive.
 
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