Dominic Calvert Lewin

[1danewhitehouse]

The thing with DCL is he's very slight for a tall guy. He's nowhere near as physically developed as Adams. Hopefully he will fill out and develop some power to go with his height and become a very useful player.

 

[Grappler]

DCL has not impressed me in any appearance he has made, and I guess it didn't help the lad missing an absolute sitter in front of the Kop. Until he gets some mental and physical toughness, I think he should go out on loan, get regular games in League 2 and then see what he is like. Jake Wright (younger one) is a more aggressive striker and maybe a better bench option than DCL at the minute.

 

[Bladesway]

Why not? people write off the season, manager, players etc after 2 games

Or after 10 years of continued decline. Because that is how I see it.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I am sorry Rodley but producing 6 footers instead of smaller lads is garbage.

Whiteman 6ft, Reed 5ft 6, Kelly 5ft 10, Semple 6ft 2, Brookes 5ft 10,

If they are deemed good enough to develope then size does not matter apart from Semple maybe who as a centre half needs to be a certain height as was Maguire.

Khan, Dimaio and De Girolamo are other examples of our academy producing small, but skillful players, whose athleticism isn't great, and this has generally been the trend. The first team has been on the small side for years, which doesn't make it easier to introduce a 5'6 youngster.

 

[S5Blade]

Or after 10 years of continued decline. Because that is how I see it.

Then surely its 9 years and the 10 years would start at the end of this season when we were relegated from the prem? not at the start of it when we were just embarking on a premiership season or do you consider us starting in the premiership as a decline?

Not that I am pedantic....

 

[Bladesway]

Then surely its 9 years and the 10 years would start at the end of this season when we were relegated from the prem? not at the start of it when we were just embarking on a premiership season or do you consider us starting in the premiership as a decline?

Not that I am pedantic....

Yep you can have that, it is indeed 9 years.

 

[S5Blade]

Yep you can have that, it is indeed 9 years.

That and we REALLY improved in our 2nd season in the championship after finishing a wanky 8th (I think?) we had a really progressive season and finished 3rd, so you could argue that wasnt a year of decline either, so maybe 7 years?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Yep you can have that, it is indeed 9 years.

That and we REALLY improved in our 2nd season in the championship after finishing a wanky 8th (I think?) we had a really progressive season and finished 3rd, so you could argue that wasnt a year of decline either, so maybe 7 years?

The Wilson team of 2011-2012 that got 90 points and 92 goals was certainly better than the Speed/Adams team that got relegated.
So 4 years of continuous decline since then

(Except that the Clough FA Cup Semi-Final team was better than the Weir team, so 2 years)

 

[Bladesway]

That and we REALLY improved in our 2nd season in the championship after finishing a wanky 8th (I think?) we had a really progressive season and finished 3rd, so you could argue that wasnt a year of decline either, so maybe 7 years?

But that was the year McCabe pulled the plug on the investment. Suddenly we didn't have Beattie etc because Kev shat himself and sold them all. So no, I wouldn't agree there.

 

[Delboy]

DCL has always seemed very erratic especially when playing at the lane. Seems the expectation of all the fans (him being one) and wanting to do well in front of the kop effects his ability. Pressure seems to get to him, and always seems like he his caught in 100 different minds. Will never improve unless he gets more and more game time, or he goes out on a successful season loan

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Yeah, he missed that chance. But he almost scored from the acutest of angles later on with a fantastic effort.

He's feeling his way in at first team level & he's clearly anxious. Very much deserves a break IMO.

 

[finlaytheblade]

My opinion of Calvert Lewin is on a number of sub appearances and a few games last season. On that evidence he looks a long way from being anywhere near a first team player.

His control is poor, he is clumsy and lacks composure. He also makes bad runs and gets caught offside a lot

I have seen absolutely nothing in this lad yet and looks like someone who has won a draw to play in a real game!

Hope he goes and proves me wrong

Can't agree with your clumsy and lacks technic Deadbat,I have seen enough of him to know that's not the case. He does lack composure and aggression though and although composure will come with experience it's his lack of aggression that bothers me as he doasnt seem to enjoy a battle
and that's one thing a forward has to have.He has disappointed me recently as I get the impression he's a bit of a poser ( fancy dan ) hopefully Wilder
will knock that out of him. Maybe the aggression will come as he matures but he's got to find it or he will be another Diego and that will disappoint me
as I have rated him since his academy days.

 

[finlaytheblade]

The topic is DCL.

Or should we change it to Messi / Iniesta ???

Good athlete, technically (as it stands of now) poor. He may well get better, much better.

The comment I have made relates to how academies encourage good athletes in the belief they can be moulded into footballers. The theory being if your relatively fat /slow / short you will never ever make the grade. It's changing but it's still endemic throughout the country.

UTB

Dario Grade once said and he's still at Crewe ! Give me an athlete and I will make you a footballer obviously they have to have some football ability but the game today is played by athletes ( get about the pitch ) probably the reason that Coutts struggles a bit as getting around the pitch is his main problem not football ability.Great players will be great players whether they are athletes or not but the modern game is very difficult for pure footballing
talent.
I remember Jimmy Sirrell ( who wasn't a success here ) once say in a Scottish accent if ya cana run ya cana play and that is truer than ever today.
For years now we have built teams ( different managers ) who lacked runners and pace ,I get the impression Wilder wants to change that ( still waiting for the pace ) it will take time hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

[1889]

Can't write him off after 15 minutes surely?!

I think 'On that showing' was the key Rodley.

I don't expect to see him again for a few weeks, his lack of aggression and enthusiasm is going to be a major failing if he wants to play up front. At one point he was closing a defender down and Scougall actually passed him having initially been 5 yards further away? None of these issues are due to age or experience, the only explanation is that he has some form of stage fright, when playing in the first team doesn't really want to get involved for fear of making a mistake?
But whatever, the miss was appalling and was nothing to do with a lack of experience, if my 12 year old son had tried to shoot with his favoured foot when the ball was perfectly on his other, he'd have got both barrels too. I'm still speechless

 

[Melton Blade]

I don't think it's helped DCL that after a good 45 mins alongside Billy at Grimsby he picked up a knock and is perhaps a couple of weeks behind the others. Hopefully his nerves will settle if he gets off the mark.
Let's hope so.
UTB

 

[Fiery Blade]

To make his way in the tough world of football he needs to man up............and very quickly !
He always looks as weak as dishwater and very rarely wants to get stuck in
Unfortunately, whilst on paper I don't know as much about football as Mr Adkins or Mr Wilder I have not seen anything from Calvin Lewin to give me an indication that he will ever make it in the game !

 

[larkymasher]

So what do we do to prepare the kids mentally for the adult game? It's just as big a part of the game as the physical and technical side.

You can only mentally get them ready at a young age by playing them.

The pigs had 4 kids in squad last night. 1 started at centre back and 2 came on. Out of Charltons under 21s which we beat in the cup semi final at The Valley in May, 3 started last night in the cup. Baring in mind Charlton also lost last Saturday.

This is how you get them mentally ready for the league. Where are our young ones getting the opportunatey? Semple was told he would be ready in 6 months. He is now down to 5th choice. Reed should be on the bench instead of the tossed known as Coutts and Whiteman should be involved before K Wallace....... And when they are not involved it knocks there mentality each time.

This is how other clubs nurture their own young players but at Sufc at the moment every manager is shit scared of keeping their jobs when the only bench mark we need is promotion.

The EPL Cup, EPL Trophy and FA Cup is where every other club introduce young players next to seasoned PRos to get the younger players ready for first team league football.

 

[Melton Blade]

.. which may explain why we are unsuccessful in bringing in a promising loanee from the Premier League. If we are not prepared to give any of our own youngsters a chance (or at least a place on the bench) ahead of last season failures - Why would a Premier League academy chief have any faith - that their young prospect would get regular game time with us?

 

[larkymasher]

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.. which may explain why we are unsuccessful in bringing in a promising loanee from the Premier League. If we are not prepared to give any of our own youngsters a chance (or at least a place on the bench) ahead of last season failures - Why would a Premier League academy chief have any faith - that their young prospect would get regular game time with us?

Melton pal, I could not agree more.

Other clubs have the balls to give their youth time to develop and nudge them along in lesser cup competitions. We don,t. Charlton have new centre backs and forwards this season but as I said last night they introduce their youngsters to give them first team experience to enable them to cope with first team league football. Bare in mind Charlton got relagated and have a new manager.

For all we say SUFC are the club to be at when developing players and pathways for youngsters ..... We don,t. Can the club just not come out and say so and then this discussion can come to an end and we can chuck all the money at buying players to get us up and close the academy doors.

 

[Fiery Blade]

You can only mentally get them ready at a young age by playing them.

The pigs had 4 kids in squad last night. 1 started at centre back and 2 came on. Out of Charltons under 21s which we beat in the cup semi final at The Valley in May, 3 started last night in the cup. Baring in mind Charlton also lost last Saturday.

This is how you get them mentally ready for the league. Where are our young ones getting the opportunatey? Semple was told he would be ready in 6 months. He is now down to 5th choice. Reed should be on the bench instead of the tossed known as Coutts and Whiteman should be involved before K Wallace....... And when they are not involved it knocks there mentality each time.

This is how other clubs nurture their own young players but at Sufc at the moment every manager is shit scared of keeping their jobs when the only bench mark we need is promotion.

The EPL Cup, EPL Trophy and FA Cup is where every other club introduce young players next to seasoned PRos to get the younger players ready for first team league football.

If Wilder carries on with his current record he will be out of the door quicker than Weir - unfortunately football is a results based business and this season Played Two Lost Two !
Mind you if the players that are paid to score goals had took there chances or even half of them it would be Played Two Won Two !

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

If Wilder carries on with his current record he will be out of the door quicker than Weir - unfortunately football is a results based business and this season Played Two Lost Two !
Mind you if the players that are paid to score goals had took there chances or even half of them it would be Played Two Won Two !

When you don't create chances , that's time for us all to worry . Signs are there both good and nots so good .

The nots so good can be easily be eradicated with a couple of new signings . How many is up to Wilder .

At least we and he knows we're the problems are .

Fuck winning first two games and having that warm false sense of security .

UTB

 

[BushBlade]

You can only mentally get them ready at a young age by playing them.

The pigs had 4 kids in squad last night. 1 started at centre back and 2 came on. Out of Charltons under 21s which we beat in the cup semi final at The Valley in May, 3 started last night in the cup. Baring in mind Charlton also lost last Saturday.

This is how you get them mentally ready for the league. Where are our young ones getting the opportunatey? Semple was told he would be ready in 6 months. He is now down to 5th choice. Reed should be on the bench instead of the tossed known as Coutts and Whiteman should be involved before K Wallace....... And when they are not involved it knocks there mentality each time.

This is how other clubs nurture their own young players but at Sufc at the moment every manager is shit scared of keeping their jobs when the only bench mark we need is promotion.

The EPL Cup, EPL Trophy and FA Cup is where every other club introduce young players next to seasoned PRos to get the younger players ready for first team league football.

So we don't use a sports psychologist then?

 

[larkymasher]

We can't afford to sign a decent left winger..... Never mind a sports psychologist.

Personally I think playing a first team game and all that that entails is far better than some 60 year old exproffesor in a tweed suit with trousers that are too short with big side boards, glasses and smelly breathe asking what do you think it would be like to play in the first team in front of 20,000 blades fans when he has not got a clue because he has never done it.
So in answer to your question I have not got a clue if they use one or not pal.

 

[Subway Cyril]

He is a young lad that needs time to develop.

Problem for me, is Che arrived and was a revelation - our coaches (last season) appeared to chuck him in the gym and he lost a yard or two of pace and his first touch seemed to be coached out of him. Che played on instinct but was slow in thought if given time.

We need to handle DCL right - but there is no guarantee in a results based industry that we will.

UTB

Che was a bit different, bit of a streetwise lad with attitude and all that and loads of confidence already. Some of these other lads might need a bit of time maybe theyve been a bit more sheltered. They need chucking in the deep end now a bit more to develop. If theyre bricking it in foront of 7000 against Crewe they need throwing back in front of a bigger crowd and learn to deal with it and become men not boys. Look at Walcott he was wrapped in cotton gloves for years and it held him back.

 

[BushBlade]

We can't afford to sign a decent left winger..... Never mind a sports psychologist.

Personally I think playing a first team game and all that that entails is far better than some 60 year old exproffesor in a tweed suit with trousers that are too short with big side boards, glasses and smelly breathe asking what do you think it would be like to play in the first team in front of 20,000 blades fans when he has not got a clue because he has never done it.
So in answer to your question I have not got a clue if they use one or not pal.

Bizarre view of a modern sports psychologist. I don't know if they work, some athletes, footballers and managers believe they do and they're the ones out there doing it, not me.
Some managers are pretty good at psychology anyway, they know what buttons to press with individual players.
I just think we need to look at why players that are rated at u-21s struggle when they get a chance in the first team, why they don't seem able to cope with the pressure.

I agree that experience and game time helps and I'm convinced a lot of the problem is mental so maybe we should be looking to address that in more than one way?

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

We can't afford to sign a decent left winger..... Never mind a sports psychologist.

Personally I think playing a first team game and all that that entails is far better than some 60 year old exproffesor in a tweed suit with trousers that are too short with big side boards, glasses and smelly breathe asking what do you think it would be like to play in the first team in front of 20,000 blades fans when he has not got a clue because he has never done it.
So in answer to your question I have not got a clue if they use one or not pal.

Moncler my clobber mate . Tweed - RL blue range. . No fucking about , players taking turns carrying a toy cuddly lion around .

Man up , grow bollocks .

 

[larkymasher]

Bizarre view of a modern sports psychologist. I don't know if they work, some athletes, footballers and managers believe they do and they're the ones out there doing it, not me.
Some managers are pretty good at psychology anyway, they know what buttons to press with individual players.
I just think we need to look at why players that are rated at u-21s struggle when they get a chance in the first team, why they don't seem able to cope with the pressure.

I agree that experience and game time helps and I'm convinced a lot of the problem is mental so maybe we should be looking to address that in more than one way?

It was a joke my friend..... In my humble opinion you can't beat playing in games rather than talking about it after the event.

 

[Deadbat]

Can't agree with your clumsy and lacks technic Deadbat,I have seen enough of him to know that's not the case. He does lack composure and aggression though and although composure will come with experience it's his lack of aggression that bothers me as he doasnt seem to enjoy a battle
and that's one thing a forward has to have.He has disappointed me recently as I get the impression he's a bit of a poser ( fancy dan ) hopefully Wilder
will knock that out of him. Maybe the aggression will come as he matures but he's got to find it or he will be another Diego and that will disappoint me
as I have rated him since his academy days.

I am going on what i have seen. He ma have shown better technique and quality on the ball in u21's/academy but in the few 'pro/mens' games I have seen of him he has barely been able to trap a football, make basic decisions or contribute much of note. He gets in the completely wrong positions most of the time. I don't want to seem like I am slating him but calling it as I see it from the games I have seen. Last night he (along with Clarkes misses and others) was a part of us losing with a horrible miss. If Long has thrown one in or made a bad mistake he would get it full barrel on here so not sure why DCL escapes criticism for a really poor piece of play?

As I say hope he proves me wrong but I have seen nothing in this lad at all to suggest he will make it and will be surprised if he does go on and be a player.

 

[silverfox]

I am going on what i have seen. He ma have shown better technique and quality on the ball in u21's/academy but in the few 'pro/mens' games I have seen of him he has barely been able to trap a football, make basic decisions or contribute much of note. He gets in the completely wrong positions most of the time. I don't want to seem like I am slating him but calling it as I see it from the games I have seen.

As I say hope he proves me wrong but I have seen nothing in this lad at all to suggest he will make it and will be surprised if he does go on and be a player.

I love these posts slagging players off with the fail safe quote "I hope he proves me wrong"

 

[1danewhitehouse]

You can only mentally get them ready at a young age by playing them.

The pigs had 4 kids in squad last night. 1 started at centre back and 2 came on. Out of Charltons under 21s which we beat in the cup semi final at The Valley in May, 3 started last night in the cup. Baring in mind Charlton also lost last Saturday.

This is how you get them mentally ready for the league. Where are our young ones getting the opportunatey? Semple was told he would be ready in 6 months. He is now down to 5th choice. Reed should be on the bench instead of the tossed known as Coutts and Whiteman should be involved before K Wallace....... And when they are not involved it knocks there mentality each time.

This is how other clubs nurture their own young players but at Sufc at the moment every manager is shit scared of keeping their jobs when the only bench mark we need is promotion.

The EPL Cup, EPL Trophy and FA Cup is where every other club introduce young players next to seasoned PRos to get the younger players ready for first team league football.

Disagree about K. Wallace. He would be in, or very close to the first 11 for me. Looked positive when he came on against Derby and has a knack of getting past his man despite looking very ungraceful. Decent athlete and build. Not sure why the manager doesn’t fancy him to be honest.