CONFIRMED Che Adams

[BushBlade]

The reasons we haven't gone up are due to the fact that we have been worse than at least 3 other teams every year. The one year that an argument could be made against that comes down to a complete failure to prepare for the eventuality of Ched being found guilty, both in terms of a replacement and foresight of what it may do to the morale of the squad. This despite knowing months in advance when the verdict was due.

Even then, and I agree about the Evans thing and the piss take of re-signing that fucking feckless twat Beattie and taking Hoskins on loan when he already had a hernia, we had no strength in depth and were thus susceptible to any of the knock backs you get in a normal season.

Basically if KMac was out it fucked our midfield and if one of Collins or H were out, it fucked our defence. Had we not lost points when those things happened we'd have been home and hosed before Ched got sent down. For L1 we had a first rate first team, third rate back up and a third rate manager.

 

[blade too long]

. It was the player’s choice to leave at the end of his contract.

A bit like murphy then
strange how we can accept players want to leave man utd , but not us

 

[BushBlade]

A bit like murphy then
strange how we can accept players want to leave man utd , but not us

I accept players leaving Man U because I don't give a shit about them.

 

[blade too long]

Sorry BB, let me re-word my question. Having the desire to gain promotion is one thing, but the alarming lack of progress we make where purchasing players is concerned is frightening. It's as if, with a few notable exceptions, there appears to be a mediocrity curse on this club, and we spend money on one also-ran after another. The advantage you refer to has never been there, we've rarely come close to being able to field a first team that convinces in it's desire to win more than it loses. I despair (probably to do with the absence of competency you refer to) with our apparent inability to compete and better those teams around us. To put it bluntly, we've appeared so mediocre and incapable of showing the resolve necessary to make the progress that all Blades are desperate for. I really hope that in Chris Wilder we've appointed a manager whose judgement of a player is far better than those who've sat in the manager's seat before his arrival.

its been ultimately very disappointing, how things have panned out ,
but clubs can have periods where things dont go to plan
im sure Burnley after winning the league when I was a lad never saw several seasons in div 4 and just saving themselves on the last day
Weve come close on 3 occasions but lacked that 10 per cent to get over the line
but we have to believe as a club we can do it, maybe this year , maybe next
not look and say its not going to happen

 

[blade too long]

I accept players leaving Man U because I don't give a shit about them.

amazing though , argueing we should have forced murphy to stay then glibly saying pogba made his own mind up
double standards
this is why we need a balanced argument
we are no different to any club
if a players wants to go , theyll go, pogbas a 100m reasons why thats true

 

[BushBlade]

amazing though , argueing we should have forced murphy to stay then glibly saying pogba made his own mind up
double standards
this is why we need a balanced argument
we are no different to any club
if a players wants to go , theyll go, pogbas a 100m reasons why thats true

But the point is, Man U couldn't force him to stay because he was out of contract.

If you're going to use comparisons and analogies, use relevant ones. You could have said Stones or Berahino, you could have talked about Brown's loss of form when we turned down Spurs in the summer.

 

[itsinyerblood]

But why do we keep falling short of buying the players we need? I'm interested in analysis, not commentary.

Because, I'm at a loss. As I've said in my reply to 1DW, there's a lot we don't know; about how a good club is run and how that compares to how we're run.

My take, based on the tip of the iceberg, the bit I can see is that;

1. We have no real consistency in our finances. We go from binging to purging. Regularly.

2. Our timing is always poor. Even when we spend money, it's at the wrong time, like the JTW when we're already playing catch up.

3. Our sacking of managers is too frequent. Every manager has their own ideas of how to succeed and the type of players they need to implement their plan. That means that every time we sack a manager we not only get lumbered with the signings that haven't worked out (happens to all managers) but with the players that can't do what the new manager wants. This happens every time we sack a manager but we still don't seem to appreciate it or allow for it. Did we really believe that after we'd let Clough sign all his mates they'd be happier or perform better under Ken Dodd and his room for improvement?

4. Diffused objectives. Our goal should be no more than getting up. Ideas about playing pretty football or developing youth are 'would likes' not 'must haves'. When we got relegated from the PL we did this with Robson and we repeated it with Wilson. We chose managers for their football style over their ability to get clubs promoted. In fact we managed to repeat the mistake of employing managers to do a job when they'd just been sacked for failing to do that job at another club. We then managed to appoint two successors who had good reputations as coaches but had proven little as managers. Nothing, in Weir's case.

5. Massive turnover of board members and directors.

6. Our strategy or our MO in L1 appears to be very similar to the one that got us relegated from the championship. I can add the desired analysis you

There's probably more but I've been distracted by work.

Ok, let's see if I can add the (belated) analysis you requested. Can't promise to add much to your already interesting mix of theories but here goes.

Finances - feast or famine? Not sure, but you could have a point, so does it mean that when we're flush the purse-strings are loosened to the extent where 'buying at all costs' overtakes buying the right players? I guess this is where having decent scouts, backroom people etc can add to your bank of knowledge about a player's ability to make a positive difference. Of course, all manner of issue can prevent a potential signing from happening, but we do seem to acquire fewer 'game-changing' players than we'd all like, but no further down the road where identifying the why's and wherefore's are concerned.

I agree about the JTW, almost a place where the desperate and needy congregate to get those supposed 'special' players.

Agree with your point about the sacking of managers, far too frequent and gives us no chance to re-think what we want/need and how to implement this approach. In short we go from pillar to post and wonder why decisions aren't good enough?

As for the turnover of directors, isn't the question to do with what they actually bring to the club? Do new appointees bring wads of money as well as football-relevant acumen? Or are they appointed on a nod and a wink?

Not a comprehensive response but I too suffer the distractions of blasted work.

 

[blade too long]

id say itsinyerblood we could use some knowlwdgeable directors to pick the right manager
as club finances go our board DO give as much as the new rules can let us within the constraints of our turnover
wednesday admitted losing 5 or 6 million a season on general running and they get far more tv money than we do

 

[1danewhitehouse]

We kept Maguire and MacDonald after the first season and didn't go up.
There's no guaranteed way of going up, you can look at every club that's gone up since we've been down and each have done it slightly differently.

The reasons we haven't gone up are manifold and complex and the bottom line is we don't even know the full story. We don't know what happened behind the scenes at Charlton or the pigs or anyone, to see how they changed things for the better and we don't know what happens behind the scenes at the Lane to truly understand what we're doing wrong, or not doing.

I wouldn’t say Maguire was a stand out player in his first season. But he was a good prospect. Evans was the stand out player by a mile but we lost him for reasons beyond our control. Then there was McDonald, Williamson, Quinn and Lowton that were above Maguire at that point in my opinion. We lost all but one of those that summer.


I agree the reasons are multi-factorial but I can’t help but feel if we’d held firm just once (Blackman, Maguire, Murphy- take your pick) there’s every chance we’d have gone up. It would certainly improve our chances.


But I agree that’s only one issue. Our lack of recruitment strategy, continuity in style, sacking culture coupled with a set-up of relative manager autonomy etc. all play their part in our struggles.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

But why do we keep falling short of buying the players we need? I'm interested in analysis, not commentary.

Because, I'm at a loss. As I've said in my reply to 1DW, there's a lot we don't know; about how a good club is run and how that compares to how we're run.

My take, based on the tip of the iceberg, the bit I can see is that;

1. We have no real consistency in our finances. We go from binging to purging. Regularly.

2. Our timing is always poor. Even when we spend money, it's at the wrong time, like the JTW when we're already playing catch up.

3. Our sacking of managers is too frequent. Every manager has their own ideas of how to succeed and the type of players they need to implement their plan. That means that every time we sack a manager we not only get lumbered with the signings that haven't worked out (happens to all managers) but with the players that can't do what the new manager wants. This happens every time we sack a manager but we still don't seem to appreciate it or allow for it. Did we really believe that after we'd let Clough sign all his mates they'd be happier or perform better under Ken Dodd and his room for improvement?

4. Diffused objectives. Our goal should be no more than getting up. Ideas about playing pretty football or developing youth are 'would likes' not 'must haves'. When we got relegated from the PL we did this with Robson and we repeated it with Wilson. We chose managers for their football style over their ability to get clubs promoted. In fact we managed to repeat the mistake of employing managers to do a job when they'd just been sacked for failing to do that job at another club. We then managed to appoint two successors who had good reputations as coaches but had proven little as managers. Nothing, in Weir's case.

5. Massive turnover of board members and directors.

6. Our strategy or our MO in L1 appears to be very similar to the one that got us relegated from the championship.

There's probably more but I've been distracted by work.

Agree with these things but would add to it that our set-up coupled with the frequent sackings is one of the major problems.


We have no set up without the manager. No scouting structure, no way of playing or types of players that we identify to recruit etc. A manager comes and tailors these things to his own methods then we sack him and all the associated staff and begin the process again, as you say, with a glut of obsolete players. The only ways I can see to move away from that are



a) create a set up independent of any manager. Appoint scouts who are the club’s choice to recruit players who match the boardroom’s vision for how they want us to play. The manager or head coach in this set up is selected to fit the overall strategy. Like Spurs with Pochettino for example or..


b) we put real faith in a manager. Accept it takes time and that he will make mistakes along the way. Allow him to mold the squad he wants and to keep tweaking it year on year to find the right formula to take us forward the way Bassett and Warnock did. It seemed like we were committed to this approach under Clough. Although he failed, he wasn’t so disastrous as to justify tearing up the blueprint and starting again.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

A bit like murphy then
strange how we can accept players want to leave man utd , but not us

No. Nothing like Murphy. I don’t think you understand what the words “at the end of his contract” mean?

 

[BushBlade]

I wouldn’t say Maguire was a stand out player in his first season. But he was a good prospect. Evans was the stand out player by a mile but we lost him for reasons beyond our control. Then there was McDonald, Williamson, Quinn and Lowton that were above Maguire at that point in my opinion. We lost all but one of those that summer.


I agree the reasons are multi-factorial but I can’t help but feel if we’d held firm just once (Blackman, Maguire, Murphy- take your pick) there’s every chance we’d have gone up. It would certainly improve our chances.


But I agree that’s only one issue. Our lack of recruitment strategy, continuity in style, sacking culture coupled with a set-up of relative manager autonomy etc. all play their part in our struggles.

And the problem for us is trying to differentiate between the symptoms and the causes, especially when the symptoms can become part of the cause.

 

[The_Green_Man]

Yorkshire Post: - "Sheffield United turn down a £7m bid from an unknown Championship club for young striker Che Adams"........

Yeah ok.......Erm I think I would sack that source!...

Oh it's ok, it's ok!! Panic over!! Quickly amended to a 7 figure bid! haha.

 

[Jonboy60]

Just out of interest, if Adams was to put in a transfer request, would it be more beneficial to him, or us. His that what we're waiting for.

 

[Esablade]

Just out of interest, if Adams was to put in a transfer request, would it be more beneficial to him, or us. His that what we're waiting for.

...will he play tomorrow!?!???
Oooooooooooo..........?

 

[Jonboy60]

...will he play tomorrow!?!???
Oooooooooooo..........?

No.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

He's off to Newcastle by the sounds of it

 

[mattbianco1]

Leeds/ Pigs/ Udders/ Charlton weren't in their first season when they got back up.

Arguably Huddersfield kept their spine and best players. They had a fantastic unbeaten run behind them and kept Jordan Rhodes. The others as has been pointed out built teams that season.

No. Nothing like Murphy. I don’t think you understand what the words “at the end of his contract” mean?

Cristiano Ronaldo. Not sure that was the end of his contract. Some players just want out when a 'bigger' club comes sniffing.
Look at Arsenal - Sagna, Nasri, Adebayor, Clichy (bet they hate Man City). Van Persie, Fabregas.

Wenger didn't want to sell any of them. You can hardly say they're not a big club either Top 4 every season.

 

[Ricky]

I'm crossing my fingers and hoping these rumours of £3.5m from Newcastle are correct. That would be a fantastic fee well in excess of what I thought we could possibly get.

It's still a lot of money in L1. If we could spend half of that we should suddenly have a squad to challenge for automatic promotion. I just hope it would be at least £1.5m up front - that's the bare minimum for me now, along with a 20% sell on clause.

 

[bertieblade]

Would the possible sales of che and sell on from Harry explain Wilders lack of recent movement in the transfer market as he will be revising the quality of his targets?

 

[Jonboy60]

Would the possible sales of che and sell on from Harry explain Wilders lack of recent movement in the transfer market as he will be revising the quality of his targets?

Hmm,? M & S, or lidl.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I'm crossing my fingers and hoping these rumours of £3.5m from Newcastle are correct. That would be a fantastic fee well in excess of what I thought we could possibly get.

It's still a lot of money in L1. If we could spend half of that we should suddenly have a squad to challenge for automatic promotion. I just hope it would be at least £1.5m up front - that's the bare minimum for me now, along with a 20% sell on clause.

But when do we ever re-invest it? When has selling our better players ever helped us progress? I just can't get my head around this thinking. I'll be really disappointed to lose Ché, think he'd have torn it up this year and he might have made the difference.

 

[nopigfansintown]

If we have got 3.5 mil for Che up front that's not bad business, but I'm pretty sure Ilkeston have a significant sell on clause which will eat into that. I'd rather have done this deal than the proposed deal for DCL, as I really rate that kid, albeit largely based on youth team matches. I think some of the money will probably be used to pay people off and free up room on the wage bill. It will be interesting to see how our new head of recruitment gets on with what's left.

 

[Ricky]

But when do we ever re-invest it? When has selling our better players ever helped us progress? I just can't get my head around this thinking. I'll be really disappointed to lose Ché, think he'd have torn it up this year and he might have made the difference.

If Adams was a key player I'd be far more mixed about losing him. But I don't think he's much of a loss at all. So although we've previously failed to re-invest, I think the possibility of us doing so this time, especially if we do get £3m, is a chance worth taking when weighed up against what we're losing.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

If Adams was a key player I'd be far more mixed about losing him. But I don't think he's much of a loss at all. So although we've previously failed to re-invest, I think the possibility of us doing so this time, especially if we do get £3m, is a chance worth taking when weighed up against what we're losing.

Why do you think it's a possibility this time though mate? We've got the same board and the noises are that the purse strings are tightening.

 

[Blade56]

Would the possible sales of che and sell on from Harry explain Wilders lack of recent movement in the transfer market as he will be revising the quality of his targets?

Tbh Wilders clutch of players so far is IMHO reminiscent of Cloughs crop of scotties when he got desperate.
I've said it many times I'm underwhelmed on paper and hope he make these players work. Halifax has put a pit in my gut, we need to demolish Grimsby in fast attacking style or I'll be getting the PROZAC out.

 

[Ricky]

Why do you think it's a possibility this time though mate? We've got the same board and the noises are that the purse strings are tightening.

Maybe I just can't help having a tiny bit of stupid blind faith. But I do think they're likely to give Wilder a decent chunk to spend. We've been waiting for this opportunity to overhaul the squad for a long time, it's been well documented. We desperately need new players, everyone knows we're not good enough as things stand. I think they'll have confidence in Wilder and will have noticed how much the fans have bought into him. It's a great opportunity lift the whole club and kick on. It's also been said by Wilder a few times that moving players out will mean we can bring more in - and he was probably just thinking about getting the likes of Freeman and Coutts off the wage bill. Getting £3m+ for Adams surpasses that by a long, long way. They will have made promises to Wilder, surely they won't have the cheek to break them already.

 

[Blade56]

Rumour has it he's been sold to Newcastle for £3.5m to be announced tomorrow.

Edit, later today

 

[Booker4]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...-expected-to-travel-to-grimsby-town-1-8029764

According to the Star Adams is set to come with the rest of the squad to Grimsby, so these rumours of a done deal must be crap, or Shield is just off the pace, but I trust the Star more than twitter!

 

[Sirius]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...-expected-to-travel-to-grimsby-town-1-8029764

According to the Star Adams is set to come with the rest of the squad to Grimsby, so these rumours of a done deal must be crap, or Shield is just off the pace, but I trust the Star more than twitter!

Wouldn't trust either any further than I could throw Tommy Ward's elephant