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Boxer Blade said:
How do people on here really know what players (Hammond) are being paid? Nobody knows for sure, its just speculation, but stick it in here for a bit of agro towards the club, itk;'s make me fuckin laugh.
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I do but Im sick of wasting my breath. The signing ironically hailed as Branningans finest accomplishment probably cost him his job ,which got me thinking how many careers did Adkins either ruin or stall in the last 12 months. The man has been an absolute walking disaster since he stepped foot in the club.
 



Barney said:
Wilder has not only done what has been needed for so long, but has had the bollocks to do it ruthlessly and transfer list a nice portion of dross that are unfortunately still contracted too.
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Indeed. Great to see Wilder took the carefully considered time to do it, rather than let the board handle the retained list.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
Indeed. Great to see Wilder took the carefully considered time to do it, rather than let the board handle the retained list.
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Don't want to rake over old coals but as I predicted the other day, retaining only Long has proven to be a very popular decision with fans which probably suggests it was the right thing to do.

I should add that I wasn't suggesting our board at this moment do the retained list, because I know that would be a risk with how clueless they've proven themselves to be in the past. My point was that we should have a board competent enough to know what to do, but we don't, which is where the slight frustration was.

If Wilder knew what to do and has been managing Northampton all season, I don't believe that a competent board, if we had one, that has been at the club all season couldn't have done the same.

Anyway it's done with now, Wilder has acted correctly and we move on.
 
I don't think this was as easy for wilder as people think. Ok there were plenty of players who were out of contract but the big balls for me in transfer listing so many players. Those players have questionable attitudes in the main and can't see many of them hitting the training ground again, nevermind to pitch.
 
Barney said:
Don't want to rake over old coals but as I predicted the other day, retaining only Long has proven to be a very popular decision with fans which probably suggests it was the right thing to do.

I should add that I wasn't suggesting our board at this moment do the retained list, because I know that would be a risk with how clueless they've proven themselves to be in the past. My point was that we should have a board competent enough to know what to do, but we don't, which is where the slight frustration was.

If Wilder knew what to do and has been managing Northampton all season, I don't believe that a competent board, if we had one, that has been at the club all season couldn't have done the same.

Anyway it's done with now, Wilder has acted correctly and we move on.
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Barney

Perhaps the delay in releasing the list was down to the club trying to negotiate a deal with Hammond to prevent him taking up his option?

Chill man.
 
I'm delighted with yesterdays events in the main, it finally looks like we have a manager who knows what he wants and will take no shit from anyone. I'm even considering re-newing my season ticket I'm that thrilled that 90% of the shit at the club has been given the jog on pill. A word of warning though, the board must back Wilder big time otherwise it will be a long hard season at the wrong end of league one but hey if little old Barnsley can turn their club round and reach the play off's with their meagre budget then surely we can go one better .................. can't we ???
 
LS26BLADE said:
I get it, you are happy to see to back of Adkins, that's fair enough. But Wilder has done nothing yet and certainly nothing more than Adkins did. Just calm your excitement down until there is something to be excited about.
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Adkins didn't transfer-list any of the 7 players, he gave 4 of them (Diego, Woolford, K Wallace and Hammond) new contracts.

He didn't transfer-list the 10 players released. He made one captain.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Does it matter what's he paid, £1 is too much if you can't get to make the tackle.

It's not funny, your on your own if it makes you laugh.
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Mr grumpy what makes me laugh is not how much he is getting paid but people telling us how much he is getting paid, also how do you know I am on my own if it makes me laugh, oh fuck, you're in the know, aren't you.
 
FriethBlade said:
Only it's not really cus most of those on the transfer list won't be going anywhere cus they are 1) on too high wages and 2) delete one of shite or permanently injured !
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Although ..... if Tufty makes it clear to them that they will NOT be featuring in his match squad, other than in the most exceptional of circumstances ( ie. even the tea lady and the kit washer are injured ) then their agents are likely to be more motivated to find them another Club asap.

UTB & FTP
 
LYDON said:
Personally, i'm holding my load back.
Going to wait and see who we bring in as replacements
before I swallow anything.

We don't want to be replacing donkeys with turkeys.
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Now is the time for our "ambitious" Board to prove their ambition and "walk the walk" instead of talking a good game !

Back Tufty financially ( it doesn't need millions throwing at it in this Division ) to rebuild a squad that is capable of challenging for the top two ........ over to you Kev & Princey !! o_O

UTB & FTP
 
Adkins compiled the list. Passed on to the board. The board see it, don't like certain items.
Sack Adkins.

Appoint Wilder. Pass on the list with their views (which MUST be acted on, without question)
Wilder's implemented it. The board are win/win.. they've got their wishes carried out by the new manager and we all swallow it as though
it's Wilder who's made the decisions. We never saw the lips move.

Let's not for one second think that we have manager's who waltz in and start to change the furniture/decor
without the authorization of the landlord/s.
 
Boxer Blade said:
Mr grumpy what makes me laugh is not how much he is getting paid but people telling us how much he is getting paid, also how do you know I am on my own if it makes me laugh, oh fuck, you're in the know, aren't you.
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As Hughie green used to say.....DOUBLE YOUR MONEY AND TRY AND GET RICH
DOUBLE YOUR MONEY WITHOUT ANY HITCH.
DOUBLE YOUR MONEY ITS YOUR LUCKY DAY
DOUBLE YOUR MONEY AND TAKE IT AWAY

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Alfreton14Blade said:
Lol, "the easy bit"...

Wilder's done more in 12 days than Adkins did in 12 months.
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It's by far the easier bit.

The time to cup Mr Wilder's balls and call him Daddy is when he's signed a load of decent players for a promotion push, not when he's simply released a load of out of contract players that we couldn't afford to keep anyway.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Strangely, it seemed to be something totally beyond the powers of that wazzock who preceded Chris Wilder...

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Alf you seem to be acting purposefully dim.
How do you go about releasing out of contract players if they aren't out of contract?
 
Barney said:
Don't want to rake over old coals but as I predicted the other day, retaining only Long has proven to be a very popular decision with fans which probably suggests it was the right thing to do.

I should add that I wasn't suggesting our board at this moment do the retained list, because I know that would be a risk with how clueless they've proven themselves to be in the past. My point was that we should have a board competent enough to know what to do, but we don't, which is where the slight frustration was.

If Wilder knew what to do and has been managing Northampton all season, I don't believe that a competent board, if we had one, that has been at the club all season couldn't have done the same.

Anyway it's done with now, Wilder has acted correctly and we move on.
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Due to the less than unanimous response to our retained list, I'm surprised you're so happy to bring up that bizarre line of thinking from the other day.
 
YES Blade said:
Adkins moved out 20+ players last season including loans, it was getting quality players in that was a struggle.

I get it, you are happy to see to back of Adkins, that's fair enough. But Wilder has done nothing yet and certainly nothing more than Adkins did. Just calm your excitement down until there is something to be excited about.
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I think also on the released front there may have been less differences for Adkins than people think – likely deals for Long, McEveley & maybe Edgar, but that would probably have been it. The main differences have come with those still in contract on the transfer list front, but the likes of J Wallace, Freeman, De Girolamo were as good as listed as was. For Hammond, Coutts and Woolford, all that's happened is they've been swapped with Scougall and McNulty, who were effectively listed. The end squads probably aren't massively different – both would have reduced similar numbers and would have expected to recruit considerably.

Obviously full judgment on this needs to take into account who we bring in, but we've got The Night Of The Long Blades done rightly so far. Tough work to gel everything for August, but we've given ourselves good flexibility to strengthen now.
 
PeteBlade said:
It's by far the easier bit.

The time to cup Mr Wilder's balls and call him Daddy is when he's signed a load of decent players for a promotion push, not when he's simply released a load of out of contract players that we couldn't afford to keep anyway.
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PeteBlade said:
Alf you seem to be acting purposefully dim.
How do you go about releasing out of contract players if they aren't out of contract?
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You need to move on from the thoroughly disastrous Adkins era, Pete. Never has a manager promised so much & delivered so little. Whatever the excuses that can be made on his behalf.

Best not trying to defend him any longer, eh? - doing so's probably standing in the way of getting enthused with the new chapter that Wilder brings.

Like YES Blade above says: yes, I'm excited about Adkins having been given the boot, & I'm excited too about Chris Wilder's big statement of intent. He's acted swiftly & decisively at a time when Adkins was offering clean slates to all & generally bottling it. So, plenty to be enthusiastic about.

But no getting carried away. Fully accept that the coming recruitment phase is a far bigger job than the much-needed clear out. Again, far rather Wilder doing it though - with his lower league nous & knowledge of what makes the club tick - rather than the ponderous (& broken?) Adkins with his reliance on those nearing pensionable age on unrealistic salaries.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
You need to move on from the thoroughly disastrous Adkins era, Pete. Never has a manager promised so much & delivered so little. Whatever the excuses that can be made on his behalf.

Best not trying to defend him any longer, eh? - doing so's probably standing in the way of getting enthused with the new chapter that Wilder brings.

Like YES Blade above says: yes, I'm excited about Adkins having been given the boot, & I'm excited too about Chris Wilder's big statement of intent. He's acted swiftly & decisively at a time when Adkins was offering clean slates to all & generally bottling it. So, plenty to be enthusiastic about.

But no getting carried away. Fully accept that the coming recruitment phase is a far bigger job than the much-needed clear out. Again, far rather Wilder doing it though - with his lower league nous & knowledge of what makes the club tick - rather than the ponderous (& broken?) Adkins with his reliance on those nearing pensionable age on unrealistic salaries.
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I've completely moved on and will offer no excuses for Adkins, but I will still point out nonsense and inaccuracies.

I'm fully behind Wilder and very excited for next season, but not going overboard as you have on releasing a load of out of contract players that couldn't have been released last season.
 
PeteBlade said:
I've completely moved on and will offer no excuses for Adkins, but I will still point out nonsense and inaccuracies.

I'm fully behind Wilder and very excited for next season, but not going overboard as you have on releasing a load of out of contract players that couldn't have been released last season.
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Fully admit to talking plenty of nonsense. But not in this case.

Chris Wilder transfer listed 7 players within a week of walking through the door. Nigel was fawning over the "committee of senior players" (including Neill Collins) at the same point in his tenure, one of whom he appointed as captain (a captain Chris Wilder's just seen fit not to offer a new contract to).

Not going overboard at all, just very pleased with Wilder's hard-nosed approach so far & his statement of intent. It makes an incredibly refreshing change to the compromising, excuses for failure & gobbledygook we've had to put up with over the past year.

Now the culling's been set in motion, onto recruitment. Lots to look forward to. I think it's fair to say that it'll inevitably be better than the useless recruitment programme we've seen under Adkins's embarrassing reign.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Fully admit to talking plenty of nonsense. But not in this case.

Chris Wilder transfer listed 7 players within a week of walking through the door. Nigel was fawning over the "committee of senior players" (including Neill Collins) at the same point in his tenure, one of whom he appointed as captain (a captain Chris Wilder's just seen fit not to offer a new contract to).

Not going overboard at all, just very pleased with Wilder's hard-nosed approach so far & his statement of intent. It makes an incredibly refreshing change to the compromising, excuses for failure & gobbledygook we've had to put up with over the past year.

Now, onto recruitment. I think it's fair to say that it'll inevitably be better than the recruitment programme we've seen under Adkins's embarrassing reign. Lots to look forward to.
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Hindsight is a fantastic thing. Last season most people were saying we simply needed to add a small amount of players to the current squad to achieve promotion.

There was absolutely not the wide scale call to release them all/have a clear out as there is this season, and as pointed out we couldn't release the players we've released this season.

I can imagine the meltdown for example and the cries of "But he's not had a chance' if old Diego had been released last year.

I'm simply adding a little realism to the fawning over an expected released list and changing of history/reality that goes on when someone leaves.
 
Made my weekend!!. Beer tasting so good after that list. Onwards and upwards UTB FDH ( fuck Dean Hammond)
 
PeteBlade said:
Hindsight is a fantastic thing. Last season most people were saying we simply needed to add a small amount of players to the current squad to achieve promotion.

There was absolutely not the wide scale call to release them all/have a clear out as there is this season, and as pointed out we couldn't release the players we've released this season.

I can imagine the meltdown for example and the cries of "But he's not had a chance' if old Diego had been released last year.

I'm simply adding a little realism to the fawning over an expected released list and changing of history/reality that goes on when someone leaves.
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Stop being disingenuous, Pete. You didn't want Adkins sacked, you positively wanted him to get another season, & you blame the board for Adkins's own failings last season.

You're not "adding realism", just that given your previous stance you now find it impossible to be enthusiastic about Wilder's actions.

If Adkins had come in saying heads needed to roll because of our failure the previous season, I'd imagine that sort of approach would have been very warmly received, even if it meant sacrificing Diego. Was there ever a manager coming into the Lane where fans had more confidence in him to succeed than Adkins?

He blew it though. Without having the groundwork nicely prepared for him he just wasn't up to the job. (And yes, that is in hindsight - I was as confident as everyone else was that he'd succeed when he got appointed. I was wrong; we all were. He was a disaster.)
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Stop being disingenuous, Pete. You didn't want Adkins sacked, you positively wanted him to get another season, & you blame the board for Adkins's own failings last season.

You're not "adding realism", just that given your previous stance you now find it impossible to be enthusiastic about Wilder's actions.

If Adkins had come in saying heads needed to roll because of our failure the previous season, I'd imagine that sort of approach would have been very warmly received, even if it meant sacrificing Diego. Was there ever a manager coming into the Lane where fans had more confidence in him to succeed than Adkins?

He blew it though. Without having the groundwork nicely prepared for him he just wasn't up to the job. (And yes, that is in hindsight - I was as confident as everyone else was that he'd succeed when he got appointed. I was wrong; we all were. He was a disaster.)
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Total nonsense, I've been completely and totally positive about Wilder since day one.

It's not being disingenuous to simply disagree with you whilst offering rational and reasonable examples as to how I've arrived at this opinion.

Just realistic as to how we're run, and I'm not fawning over releasing a load of player who would more than likely have been released anyway.

I supported keeping Adkins on (clearly) and I'll support keeping Wilder on too.

Because I believe we're run awfully by people who don't know what they're doing, please see Hammond's contract clause as evidence of this.
 
PeteBlade said:
Due to the less than unanimous response to our retained list, I'm surprised you're so happy to bring up that bizarre line of thinking from the other day.
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I'm surprised you're still chirping up, I thought you'd have gone all quiet when you realised the reaction was what it was yesterday.

Surely even you can see that the overwhelming majority thought the retained list was done excellently.
 



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