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[Andy67]

I agree. Like the killing of innocent. C men, women and children in Gaza also.

I’m going to have to disagree as you too are drawing moral equivalence in order to justify the initial position. Isreal was not committing a terrorist act as it wasn’t killing people in Gaza indiscriminately. The theatre of war hadn’t become one of their own making it had been one of the making of Hamas. Innocent casualties in a theatre of war are very tragic but cannot be compared to what had taken place a week earlier. The amount of innocents that died in Gaza was, thankfully, the lowest ever in modern warfare history.

 

[JohnDenver]

The amount of innocents that died in Gaza was, thankfully, the lowest ever in modern warfare history.

Erm…

 

[Andy67]

Wow! Some blades are soooooo brilliant with words - and I'm not taking the piss! I haven't a clue what you are on about mate, but that was so well written if I did have, I'm sure I'd agree with you. Good stuff!

Thank you. I try but my grammar and punctuation well off it because I’m usually rushing.

 

[Andy67]

Erm…

Fact, not Isreal figures either. The amount of non Hamas fighters taken away from those that died

 

[Grey Blade]

The theatre of war hadn’t become one of their own making it had been one of the making of Hamas.

Don't want to appear childish but it's debatable ' who started it?'. How far back do we go? Whatever, it's tragic for the innocents caught up in it and dismissed as collateral damage.

 

[Maidenhead]

I’m going to have to disagree as you too are drawing moral equivalence in order to justify the initial position. Isreal was not committing a terrorist act as it wasn’t killing people in Gaza indiscriminately. The theatre of war hadn’t become one of their own making it had been one of the making of Hamas. Innocent casualties in a theatre of war are very tragic but cannot be compared to what had taken place a week earlier. The amount of innocents that died in Gaza was, thankfully, the lowest ever in modern warfare history.

You really believe that don't you?

There's no hope for the middle east.

 

[Andy67]

Don't want to appear childish but it's debatable ' who started it?'. How far back do we go? Whatever, it's tragic for the innocents caught up in it and dismissed as collateral damage.

Not discussing the who started it because it does become a distraction to contemporary actions.

 

[raul]

How do you decide a body blown to smithereens is a Hamas one?

 

[Andy67]

Don't want to appear childish but it's debatable ' who started it?'. How far back do we go? Whatever, it's tragic for the innocents caught up in it and dismissed as collateral damage.

There has never been (in the history of warfare) leaflets being dropped to warn people that a building would be bombed.

 

[Frank the tank]

Not exactly what I said though is it. It doesn’t amount to an opinion over such specific categories.

Not going to.argue with you about it
It's obviously too difficult an explanation for you to comprehend

 

[Nedski]

Who was here for this classic? Big Bleds credentials here.

One of my favourite kits - unfortunately my HFS sponsor finally gave up and fell off last year.

 

[Grey Blade]

Not discussing the who started it because it does become a distraction to contemporary actions.

The point is, eventually you have to 'let bygones be bygones'. It needs some sort of Nelson Mandela like leader on both sides to sort it out - but where those individuals are going to appear from I don't know.

 

[Hobgoblin]

The point is, eventually you have to 'let bygones be bygones'. It needs some sort of Nelson Mandela like leader on both sides to sort it out - but where those individuals are going to appear from I don't know.

You do indeed however, the issue seems to be that some Jews want the Arabs wiping of the earth and all Arabs want the Jews wiping of the earth. How do we sort that one from the comfort of our front room

 

[CaptainMorgans]

It’s funny how time press and social media seems to have changed the uk populations opinion on child murdering scum isn’t it?

When you mention the "child murdering scum," who is it you're referring to?

I presume it's the IRA and the Manchester bombings... but that is to conveniently ignore the many atrocities committed by the UK on Irish soil.

I'm not for one second condoning what they did, but you need to understand there's a complicated history and it's not as easy as "British Soldiers = Good, IRA = Bad."

This isn't some modern / woke world view. It's just a slightly more nuanced one than yours.

 

[Reverend Frank]

Surely any thread containing so many mentions of Derry should acknowledge that Derry City FC wear our red & white stripes , changing to our colours in 1934 after Billy Gillespie joined them to become player-manager 2 years previously

Exactly this! Was in Derry in July, the second the taxi driver taking us from the airport found out I was a United fan he was all over the links between the 2 clubs, no religion or politics, just “When you back in the premier league?”

 

[Gin&Juice]

Exactly this! Was in Derry in July, the second the taxi driver taking us from the airport found out I was a United fan he was all over the links between the 2 clubs, no religion or politics, just “When you back in the premier league?”

Favourite type of Northern Irish person is those that have stuck two fingers up to both SF and DUP. Race to the bottom, both sides are now controlled by either bigoted cunts who just want something to be angry at, or glorified drug dealers taking advantage of the misery in both communities.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Since it’s Xmas. I got sent this from a NI friend a few years ago, had me in hysterics. This is where it should end up. Taking the piss out of how stupid it all is.

 

[Andy67]

How do you decide a body blown to smithereens is a Hamas

What is your point? That there isa

Not going to.argue with you about it
It's obviously too difficult an explanation for you to comprehend

touche

 

[I should coco]

There has never been (in the history of warfare) leaflets being dropped to warn people that a building would be bombed.

Actually at the start of WW2, there was consternation in the Air Ministry about whether to bomb 'legitimate' German targets, like naval dockyards, as private property and civilians might be hit. We did actually drop leaflets, although these were just propoganda messages.

Obviously once they started bombing us in earnest, we retalliated.
And some (Hamburg / Dresden etc).

 

[Andy67]

Actually at the start of WW2, there was consternation in the Air Ministry about whether to bomb 'legitimate' German targets, like naval dockyards, as private property and civilians might be hit. We did actually drop leaflets, although these were just propoganda messages.

Obviously once they started bombing us in earnest, we retalliated.
And some (Hamburg / Dresden etc).

Propaganda leaflets

 

[Hobgoblin]

When you mention the "child murdering scum," who is it you're referring to?

I presume it's the IRA and the Manchester bombings... but that is to conveniently ignore the many atrocities committed by the UK on Irish soil.

I'm not for one second condoning what they did, but you need to understand there's a complicated history and it's not as easy as "British Soldiers = Good, IRA = Bad."

This isn't some modern / woke world view. It's just a slightly more nuanced one than yours.

When you mention the "child murdering scum," who is it you're referring to?

I presume it's the IRA and the Manchester bombings... but that is to conveniently ignore the many atrocities committed by the UK on Irish soil.

I'm not for one second condoning what they did, but you need to understand there's a complicated history and it's not as easy as "British Soldiers = Good, IRA = Bad."

This isn't some modern / woke world view. It's just a slightly more nuanced one than yours.

It is a complicated history on both sides of the argument, I for one totally understand about, potato famine, border farms being ethnically cleansed (before the partition took place) catholic and Protestant civilians being terrorised by those who where supposed to be fighting for them (criminals in other words controlling drugs etc), Bloody Sunday, killing of security services doing a job (not just the army but prison officers, police etc), blowing up of children on the mainland I can go on forever. The one thing tha does stick out though is these thugs who portrayed themselves as freedom fighters are now mainly petty criminals which they would have been all along if not for the conflict.

 

[Andy67]

You do indeed however, the issue seems to be that some Jews want the Arabs wiping of the earth and all Arabs want the Jews wiping of the earth. How do we sort that one from the comfort of our front room

Not true. Arabs peacefully coexist in Isreal as doctors, politicians etc. In Gaza a Jew would’ve been dead even 40 years ago or a hostage. There are mosques in Isreal but no synagogues in Gaza. If Isreal wanted to they could wipe Gaza off the face of the earth, if Hamas had such weapons they would have used them decades ago.

 

[Andy67]

How do you decide a body blown to smithereens is a Hamas one?

Well over two thousand Israeli soldiers died so they were fighting someone, unless moral equivalence has led you to believe that this was a war fought by nasty Jewish people.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I presume you are referring to his line, that 'patriotism is Ihe last refuge of the scoundrel',.

This was not an attack on the idea of patriotism per se, but what Johnson saw as the false and selfish use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt. Johnson very much blieved in 'true patriotism' and love of your country,

He saw the use of the “patriotism” card as something that bad people hide behind to do hateful things. We also see this today. Many of us instantly see through it. See also the attempted hijacking of the Christian faith at the moment by some of the most unchristian folks amongst us.

 

[Addison]

From a football perspective he is a limited player with a nasty streak. I am pleased he is not playing in the next game. In the 3-1 home cup victory he tried on numerous occasions to injure Seriki because Seriki was making him look a mug. The type of player in the break your leg Kevin Muscat category that has no place on a football pitch.

 

[flashinblade1889]

Bit of a Panto villain isn’t he?

Oh no he isn’t………

 

[Booker4]

Is Mclean a big loss for Wrexham? He's getting on now but he's had a decent career.

 

[bladesince64]

Dirty player who deliberately tries to injure opponents.

No place in the game for thuggery any more.

 

[fifty shades of blade]

I’m going to have to disagree as you too are drawing moral equivalence in order to justify the initial position. Isreal was not committing a terrorist act as it wasn’t killing people in Gaza indiscriminately. The theatre of war hadn’t become one of their own making it had been one of the making of Hamas. Innocent casualties in a theatre of war are very tragic but cannot be compared to what had taken place a week earlier. The amount of innocents that died in Gaza was, thankfully, the lowest ever in modern warfare history.

Its xmas eve and I cant be arsed getting drawn into a debate, especially when you spout bollox like that. Jesus fckin wept.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Not true. Arabs peacefully coexist in Isreal as doctors, politicians etc. In Gaza a Jew would’ve been dead even 40 years ago or a hostage. There are mosques in Isreal but no synagogues in Gaza. If Isreal wanted to they could wipe Gaza off the face of the earth, if Hamas had such weapons they would have used them decades ago.

Sorry I may be incorrect about the arb world in total then