Wrexham

[Andy67]

Well technically a terrorist is a freedom fighter

I beg to differ. Innocent children and adults who are Jewish on a beach in Australia are not combatants to be fought against for your freedom. Innocent Jewish civilians at a music festival and sat in their homes being raped, murdered and taken for hostages doesn’t make you a freedom fighter, it makes you a terrorist who likes to kill Jews indiscriminately.

 

[The Crab]

All this fuss about an average player who is nothing really.

I don’t really care about the politics.

As a player, and purely that, he’s a nasty little cunt

 

[LBA_Blade]

If you go off the facts that he has stated “because he feels it disrespects victims of British military actions in Northern Ireland, specifically Bloody Sunday in his hometown of “Derry” (Londonderry). Which is an event that happened in 1972, he was born in 1986. The paras deployed to Northern Ireland in the early 70s were there to protect them against a potential hostile Protestant majority. My Grandad served in the Army with REME and he was there in the late 70s and also as OC 38 engineer regiment in the early 80s, their responsibilities was the destruction of bridges that the provisional IRA were building between ROI and NI, he always says when you blew up one they had already built the next.

 

[Hobgoblin]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Read up on your history of what the Brits got up to across the pond. Genocide.

As much as you might not like the IRA, they formed for a reason.

It’s funny how time press and social media seems to have changed the uk populations opinion on child murdering scum isn’t it?

 

[Hobgoblin]

According to our government, he is British. Where has he ever said he hates England?

Hate to correct you but not just our government who say that the counties of NI are part of the UK.

 

[Hobgoblin]

But he is, of course, not British. Not only that, working in the country he seemingly hates.

That being said I agree completely about him being ultimately fine to decide to do what he wants.

Sorry but he is British! Like it or not.

 

[fifty shades of blade]

I beg to differ. Innocent children and adults who are Jewish on a beach in Australia are not combatants to be fought against for your freedom. Innocent Jewish civilians at a music festival and sat in their homes being raped, murdered and taken for hostages doesn’t make you a freedom fighter, it makes you a terrorist who likes to kill Jews indiscriminately.

I agree. Like the killing of innocent men, women and children in Gaza also.

 

[I should coco]

I don’t have any truck with any of them, from any nation. I stand firmly behind Samuel Johnson on that one.

I presume you are referring to his line, that 'patriotism is Ihe last refuge of the scoundrel',.

This was not an attack on the idea of patriotism per se, but what Johnson saw as the false and selfish use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt. Johnson very much blieved in 'true patriotism' and love of your country,

 

[Hobgoblin]

I agree. Like the killing of innocent men, women and children in Gaza also.

All death of innocents is appalling, I do want to point out that the men and women of Gaza did overwhelmingly vote in Hamas, with main policies that are or seem to be based on murdering Jews not only in Isreal but globally

 

[fifty shades of blade]

All death of innocents is appalling, I do want to point out that the men and women of Gaza did overwhelmingly vote in Hamas, with main policies that are or seem to be based on murdering Jews not only in Isreal but globally

the reasons many palestinians in Gaza voted for hamas are aplenty and varied - it is not just about fighting against their oppressor or having some sort of bloodlust. It was also way back in 2006 and as we know political allegiances change a lot in the space of 20 years. It is now shown that many palestinians are against Hamas. Regardless, children in Gaza didnt vote and they have been murdered in their thousands. For the record, I think the murder of the innocent, whether Gazan, Israeli, British, Irish or any race or nationality is abhorrrent.

 

[Frank the tank]

I beg to differ. Innocent children and adults who are Jewish on a beach in Australia are not combatants to be fought against for your freedom. Innocent Jewish civilians at a music festival and sat in their homes being raped, murdered and taken for hostages doesn’t make you a freedom fighter, it makes you a terrorist who likes to kill Jews indiscriminately.

A terrorist and a freedom fighter are the same person seen from different perspectives

 

[Tarqs]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Read up on your history of what the Brits got up to across the pond. Genocide.

As much as you might not like the IRA, they formed for a reason.

Aye, watch the film 'where the wind shakes the barley'.

It's pretty hard hitting.

 

[MadDad38]

A terrorist and a freedom fighter are the same person seen from different perspectives

Not quite. The presumption around a freedom fighter is generally that they are seeking independence from another nation’s control, oppression etc. Some terrorists simply want to kill jews, gay people etc. for simply being what they are. Similarly people bandying around the word ‘genocide’ without really understanding what it means…

 

[Frank the tank]

Not quite. The presumption around a freedom fighter is generally that they are seeking independence from another nation’s control, oppression etc. Some terrorists simply want to kill jews, gay people etc. for simply being what they are. Similarly people bandying around the word ‘genocide’ without really understanding what it means…

It's just that though a presumption
To differentiate between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is very much down to interpretation
For example Luke Skywalker and the rebel alliance are freedom fighters but commit acts of terrorism to achieve their aim

 

[Gin&Juice]

Who was here for this classic? Big Bleds credentials here.

 

[JohnDenver]

It's just that though a presumption
To differentiate between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is very much down to interpretation
For example Luke Skywalker and the rebel alliance are freedom fighters but commit acts of terrorism to achieve their aim

Yoda definitely gives off Bin Laden vibes.

 

[Kenilworth]

Who was here for this classic? Big Bleds credentials here.

How dare you bring it back to the football?

 

[Grey Blade]

Who was here for this classic? Big Bleds credentials here.

Loved the third goal. A good cock up takes some beating

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Yoda definitely gives off Bin Laden vibes.

There’s no political, moral or intellectual justification for Jar Jar Binks.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I don’t really care about the politics.

As a player, and purely that, he’s a nasty little cunt

Absolutely, he's a proper scratter. Probably adds to the panto villain persona.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

By the way, the whole stick that up your documentary's arse storyline...

Doesn't Billy talk well?

 

[Bell4]

I don’t really care about the politics.

As a player, and purely that, he’s a nasty little cunt

www.crab/industries#nastylittlecunts.com/twats

 

[The Crab]

www.crab/industries#nastylittlecunts.com/twats

The late Ms Crabs nickname for me…

 

[radio]

Surely any thread containing so many mentions of Derry should acknowledge that Derry City FC wear our red & white stripes , changing to our colours in 1934 after Billy Gillespie joined them to become player-manager 2 years previously

 

[Hobgoblin]

the reasons many palestinians in Gaza voted for hamas are aplenty and varied - it is not just about fighting against their oppressor or having some sort of bloodlust. It was also way back in 2006 and as we know political allegiances change a lot in the space of 20 years. It is now shown that many palestinians are against Hamas. Regardless, children in Gaza didnt vote and they have been murdered in their thousands. For the record, I think the murder of the innocent, whether Gazan, Israeli, British, Irish or any race or nationality is abhorrrent.

Yes indeed children did not vote hence I said men and women. Totally agree innocent killing is abhorrent. I had read that support for hamas is not as strong but they would still win by a landslide today. What I find uncomfortable in all of the troubles in the Middle East is, the total Arab world want Jews wiping of the face of the earth and don’t hide this feeling at all. And yes it’s appalling the amount of killing that has gone on in Gaza

 

[Andy67]

A terrorist and a freedom fighter are the same person seen from different perspectives

I disagree, if someone calls themselves freedom fighter whilst killing a disabled child with a gun it doesn’t mean they are a freedom fighter it means they are psychotic. Descartes ‘I think therefore I am’ has been torn asunder with the view that ‘one man’s terrorist…’ etc, the only thread between them is that they are both both humans and have an awareness of being human however one of them suffers from a false consciousness about their existing being/identity and the other a disabled child at a music festival. Interestingly that child’s consciousness was limited as he was taken to the concert by parents for a therapeutic tent with light and sound. I would argue that anyone who would claim to be fighting for freedom killing this child’s as a consciousness that is even further detached from what it is to be human than the child. The post modern malady of everyone is right depending on their own a myriad of moral compasses is everything that is wrong with the world we need to get back to being adults not infants.

 

[Badger Blade]

Who was here for this classic? Big Bleds credentials here.

Bring back goals with stanchions!

 

[Frank the tank]

I disagree, if someone calls themselves freedom fighter whilst killing a disabled child with a gun it doesn’t mean they are a freedom fighter it means they are psychotic. Descartes ‘I think therefore I am’ has been torn asunder with the view that ‘one man’s terrorist…’ etc, the only thread between them is that they are both both humans and have an awareness of being human however one of them suffers from a false consciousness about their existing being/identity and the other a disabled child at a music festival. Interestingly that child’s consciousness was limited as he was taken to the concert by parents for a therapeutic tent with light and sound. I would argue that anyone who would claim to be fighting for freedom killing this child’s as a consciousness that is even further detached from what it is to be human than the child. The post modern malady of everyone is right depending on their own a myriad of moral compasses is everything that is wrong with the world we need to get back to being adults not infants.

Yeah you disagree that's your interpretation

 

[Snake]

I disagree, if someone calls themselves freedom fighter whilst killing a disabled child with a gun it doesn’t mean they are a freedom fighter it means they are psychotic. Descartes ‘I think therefore I am’ has been torn asunder with the view that ‘one man’s terrorist…’ etc, the only thread between them is that they are both both humans and have an awareness of being human however one of them suffers from a false consciousness about their existing being/identity and the other a disabled child at a music festival. Interestingly that child’s consciousness was limited as he was taken to the concert by parents for a therapeutic tent with light and sound. I would argue that anyone who would claim to be fighting for freedom killing this child’s as a consciousness that is even further detached from what it is to be human than the child. The post modern malady of everyone is right depending on their own a myriad of moral compasses is everything that is wrong with the world we need to get back to being adults not infants.

Wow! Some blades are soooooo brilliant with words - and I'm not taking the piss! I haven't a clue what you are on about mate, but that was so well written if I did have, I'm sure I'd agree with you. Good stuff!

 

[Andy67]

Yeah you disagree that's your interpretation

Not exactly what I said though is it. It doesn’t amount to an opinion over such specific categories.