Would you swap with SWFC?

[TonyAgana]

Answer would still be no.
Why don't you make it interesting and say "If we could be Barcelona tomorrow would you swap?"
My answer would be no to a swap to any club

Not actually swap clubs, just the state of the club.

 

[kop_blade9]

Not actually swap clubs, just the state of the club.

Still no
You can't wish your way out of a league.
You have to earn the right to be promoted and be in a better position.

 

[kop_blade9]

Not actually swap clubs, just the state of the club.

I havn't read all of this thread because I am assuming it's full of "no's" but am I right in thinking that you seem to think that Wendy is better than us in some ways?
The league position is obvious but in what way would you infer their superioty that we would want to wish ourselves to be them?

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Not actually swap clubs, just the state of the club.

I don't get what you mean?

What about their club would you swap?

Because all I'd swap would be league position.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

That is about the most dumb fucking stupid question ever.

I'd disagree fundamentally with this. Pig fans are the most optimistic fuckers on this planet, the sort of dimwitted shitcunts that steadfastly take the moral victory in a 3-2 derby defeat because they won the second half 2-0. That glory days are ahead of them, because as that prize bell end (but in my mind fine manager) Chris Turner once said, "history tells us that". One trophy as a 2nd division club in the last 80 years, and they still think they are part of the top table in English football. And now these ladyboy fish people have sprung up from nowhere, you can be fucking sure that HMS Pisstheleague will be back in service for another mythical adventure.

Unitedites are not at all optimistic by nature, hopeful at a stretch but with that in built pessimism that the sky is to fall in on our heads at any moment. Not without just cause either. We hope this lot can get us up through the play offs this season, and if we do we'll be much better placed that them to push on. It's just making that first step back.

I've always thought they were a glass half full mob, but they'd tell you it was full to overflowing with the finest brew known to man. But not only is our glass half empty, there's a very good chance WalthamstowBlade has greased his helmet around the rim...

I don't think you realise what sort of investment it would take to get it anywhere near Bramall Lane's standard.
They have one stand with facilities such as restaurants and boxes in it. I've seen the boxes and I've seen the restaurant's. They are nowhere near Bramall Lane's standards, even more so after last summers revamp of our facilities.
We have more restaurants and corporate facilities and they are in two stands. Our ground is in a central location for functions etc. we have an onsite hotel.
The concourses in their north and west stand are compact and outdated, the toilets disgusting.
Only one of our stands (the kop) has restricted views. Only one (I think) of theirs has unrestricted. I believe but may be wrong even their best stand the South has poles supporting the roof towards the rear.
Their West Stand should have been knocked down years ago. It's not changed since the disaster, apart from seats being put in it. It's an absolute disgrace.
Our ground on the inside and outside (bar the outside of the kop) looks modern, clean and vibrant. Theirs simply doesn't and looks very dull inside and out. Look at theirs on the telly and tell me you think that looks good?
The atmosphere is dead, the reason being it's about 10,000 seats too big for them....no wonder.
They estimated for their pie in the sky redevelopment a total cost of £20m odd.
That was to virtually rebuild 3 sides of their ground. Not sure where Strafford plucked that figure from but McCabe said the extension to our South stand was £20m odd on its own. Btw he personally guaranteed the funds for that if our wc bid had been successful. Lord knows where Strafford thought the money was coming from but I'd take a guess he was hoping for a bailout from the FA to spare both their blushes.
Their new owners won't IMO waste their money redeveloping that dump. It'd cost far too much and would really require demolishing and starting from scratch.
They'll be looking at a new build, one of those identikit stadiums those over on Porktalk are so fond of pulling to pieces.

It'll look like a palace to the lady boys

 

[cahill]

I would I think they're great Wednesday. Come on you Owls. Don't think I'm fat enough though

 

[TonyAgana]

I havn't read all of this thread because I am assuming it's full of "no's" but am I right in thinking that you seem to think that Wendy is better than us in some ways?
The league position is obvious but in what way would you infer their superioty that we would want to wish ourselves to be them?

No mate, you got it completely wrong This poll came out of another discussion earlier today where I said I'd rather be in our position with our infrastructure / foundations, than in Wednesday's with their's. I tried to get an idea of others' opinions but, disappointingly, many have read it as "would you rather be an Owl".

 

[TonyAgana]

I don't get what you mean?

What about their club would you swap?

Because all I'd swap would be league position.

See above

 

[RedandWhite]

Kinda, yeah. But, as Darren would point out, they are 12th in the Championship. If you could wake up tomorrow and be in their position but with their level of club-infrastructure, would you make that deal?

I would take their league position, but nothing else.

 

[TonyAgana]

I would take their league position, but nothing else.

So is that a Yes or No? The proposal is "all or nothing".

 

[Jehovah]

I would rather rot in the Israeli 18th division with average crowds of 4 than take anything from those shiteating shiteaters.

 

[JohnDenver]

Ton up for TonyAgana - went for and got!

 

[TonyAgana]

Ton up for TonyAgana - went for and got!

Horribly flawed, though I thought I'd made the "all or nothing" bit clear and I underestimated the ability of anything Wednesday related to blind an opinion!

 

[shorehamview]

.....its so much better to be a blade.

To be fair it's better to be waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay than have to sit in that rusty shithole at S6.

 

[Blade82]

id be tempted to swap leagues but I think the future will take care of that.

Give it a year and they'll be looking up at us with envy again

 

[Woodwardfan]

Sorry I've not had the time to read this thread.

Simple answer: Would you swap?: No. Would you merge?: YES. I've been of that opinion ever since I learned business and brands.

And certainly since the anathema called the Premier League was formed.

Does that make me a lesser Blade?: NO.

Forever also-rans: SUFC and SWFC.

 

[South London Blade]

Would you merge?: YES. I've been of that opinion ever since I learned business and brands.

No no no no no!

 

[JohnDenver]

Would you merge?: YES. I've been of that opinion ever since I learned business and brands.

When I learned about business and brands I immediately sold my family into slavery and started a kitten strangling franchise.

 

[Kenilworth]

I'd swap the W for a U

 

[Bladepicker]

Ton up for TonyAgana - went for and got!

Well batted.

Flat track bully

 

[wizadry]

Simple answer: Would you swap?: No. Would you merge?: YES. I've been of that opinion ever since I learned business and brands.

wtf am i reading here? You have lost all credit here, this is utter ridicule

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Would you merge?: YES. I've been of that opinion ever since I learned business and brands.

 

[cahill]

Sorry I've not had the time to read this thread.

Simple answer: Would you swap?: No. Would you merge?: YES. I've been of that opinion ever since I learned business and brands.

And certainly since the anathema called the Premier League was formed.

Does that make me a lesser Blade?: NO.

Forever also-rans: SUFC and SWFC.

Merging presumes that having bigger resources would give a better chance of success, but that means nothing when you lose your identity, history, culture, highs and lows. Surely the future's looking bright for us now plus I've never met a Wendy fan that I've liked. A different breed of human being. Thank God I don't have any in the family. My grandchildren have a Wendy grandfather on the other side of the family and he fits the stereotype, overweight, loud, racist, crass,thick

 

[Revolution]

Sorry I've not had the time to read this thread.

Simple answer: Would you swap?: No. Would you merge?: YES. I've been of that opinion ever since I learned business and brands.

And certainly since the anathema called the Premier League was formed.

Does that make me a lesser Blade?: NO.

Forever also-rans: SUFC and SWFC.

It pains me to say it, but if you think we should merge it does make you a lesser Blade, because you are advocating the destruction of United (and the Pigs) and the formation of a new team.

And I do not understand why any Blades fan would wilfully want United to disappear.

I for one would not support a merged Sheffield team.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It pains me to say it, but if you think we should merge it does make you a lesser Blade, because you are advocating the destruction of United (and the Pigs) and the formation of a new team.

And I do not understand why any Blades fan would wilfully want United to disappear.

I for one would not support a merged Sheffield team.

If you think I'm a "lesser Blade" I can live with that, but not agree with it of course. My realisation came many years ago as football became more a business with "big being beautiful". Nothing I had ever seen at either club helped me believe either would be successful in the new scenario and nothing I have seen since has helped me change my mind. If as you say the new ownership leads us to bigger things then that will be one hell of a bonus at my stage of life.

Supporting United in a split city has always meant stuttering up into the top division on occasions but always with an inadequate squad and insufficient cash to give it a good go, though Bassett worked wonders on peanuts for a while. I've lost count how many really big games I've been to in cups and play-offs knowing full well our team needed a miracle, which never materialised of course. After one semi-final at Old Trafford a TV reporter thrust a microphone in front of me and asked for my reaction to another defeat - I said " if we always sell our best players this is what happens in big games".

If the city was a one club city all the support from the area could be channelled into one big effort and investors with twice the audience could put in cash with more confidence. I know, you and others would never stand shoulder to shoulder with Wendy fans but enough would and over time it would grow and grow.

At present we are two nobody clubs who don't threaten the big boys. Between us we have one secondary cup between us in donkeys years.

Personally I love to watch gifted players and I hate getting stuffed by the big clubs who then patronise our brave efforts. I'd love to watch us in the Champions League and challenge for domestic honours. Our "local" rivalry is exactly that, parochial and meaningless on the national scale.

In the meantime I know full well it will never happen and I support my club for what it is and for what I was born into. The new owners? The first potential "real deal" I have ever known. That's why over the months I despaired at how so many you "greater blades" than me did nothing but knock them until last month in fact. Are they the "real deal" I desperately hope so and I hope that lot at Hillsborough are charlottans, of course I do.

 

[dynamoblade]

This is the thing - it frustrates me that there is no neutral position on this, but I cannot accept that bias negates the validity of all opinion on the matter. Darren, you state that there is no difference between the "positions" of the clubs other than league position - a short walk around the two grounds would throw that into doubt, I'm sure of that.

I can't understand anyone that thinks they have a better ground. The Tunapigs themselves have a growing group calling for a move to a fit for purpose smaller stadium! (That's BDTBL then)

Their ground needs major work and match day atmosphere is shite (ask any sober wednesdayite).

Imagine just how wank having 19,000 in a 40,000 seater stadium would feel. TThat's why I'm happy we didn't expand the stadium a few years back.

 

[Revolution]

If you think I'm a "lesser Blade" I can live with that, but not agree with it of course. My realisation came many years ago as football became more a business with "big being beautiful". Nothing I had ever seen at either club helped me believe either would be successful in the new scenario and nothing I have seen since has helped me change my mind. If as you say the new ownership leads us to bigger things then that will be one hell of a bonus at my stage of life.

Supporting United in a split city has always meant stuttering up into the top division on occasions but always with an inadequate squad and insufficient cash to give it a good go, though Bassett worked wonders on peanuts for a while. I've lost count how many really big games I've been to in cups and play-offs knowing full well our team needed a miracle, which never materialised of course. After one semi-final at Old Trafford a TV reporter thrust a microphone in front of me and asked for my reaction to another defeat - I said " if we always sell our best players this is what happens in big games".

If the city was a one club city all the support from the area could be channelled into one big effort and investors with twice the audience could put in cash with more confidence. I know, you and others would never stand shoulder to shoulder with Wendy fans but enough would and over time it would grow and grow.

And this is not a "bigger Blade" thing. I just cannot comprehend why a Blades fan would wilfully want to see United stop playing.

At present we are two nobody clubs who don't threaten the big boys. Between us we have one secondary cup between us in donkeys years.

Personally I love to watch gifted players and I hate getting stuffed by the big clubs who then patronise our brave efforts. I'd love to watch us in the Champions League and challenge for domestic honours. Our local rivalry is exactly that, parochial and meaningless on the national scale.

In the meantime I know full well it will never happen and I support my club for what it is and for what I was born into. The new owners? The first potential "real deal" I have ever known. That's why over the months I despaired at how so many you "greater blades" than me did nothing but knock them until last month in fact. Are they the "real deal" I desperately hope so and I hope that lot at Hillsborough are charlottans, of course I do.

I understand where you're coming from. The biggest tragedy for Sheffield football is that there are two professional teams, sapping the strength of each other.

In some towns, there were 2 teams and one withered away (Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Derby, Bradford). In some towns, they merged (Newcastle, most notably). In some towns, there's always been a disparity in size (Stoke) or there's a big one now (Nottingham) so the bigger side pulls its weight more. And in some places (Liverpool, Manchester) 2 clubs have done well. In some towns there was only ever one team (Leeds, Leicester).

I take your point entirely that Sheffield would be in a better position to compete with just one team. But there are two. And each are important to thousands of people, and I don't think it's something that should be destroyed. We are where we are.

And whilst we will never be a Man U in a 2 team city, we can do better. We've lost 4 playoff finals, 7 straight semi finals, and been relegated in ridiculous fashion more times than I can care to remember. Resources matter, sure, but a bit more bottle, and a bit more luck, and a bit more focus would see us come through these tests. I still hope we will one day.

 

[Large Mendonca]

My nephew used to (have to) drive past the place on his way to work in Penistone Road. Every time he did, he told me he used to subconsciously feel himself edging away from the window of his car and saying 'eeerrrrrrr!' in the manner that you would if encountered a pavement full of spew.

I do the same if I see some subnormal walking about if one of their tops or I see that pathetic badge of theirs. 1867? Yeah, right.

pommpey

I'll be driving past later this morning, and i will give it the childish "rods" as I have always done

 

[cahill]

If you think I'm a "lesser Blade" I can live with that, but not agree with it of course. My realisation came many years ago as football became more a business with "big being beautiful". Nothing I had ever seen at either club helped me believe either would be successful in the new scenario and nothing I have seen since has helped me change my mind. If as you say the new ownership leads us to bigger things then that will be one hell of a bonus at my stage of life.

Supporting United in a split city has always meant stuttering up into the top division on occasions but always with an inadequate squad and insufficient cash to give it a good go, though Bassett worked wonders on peanuts for a while. I've lost count how many really big games I've been to in cups and play-offs knowing full well our team needed a miracle, which never materialised of course. After one semi-final at Old Trafford a TV reporter thrust a microphone in front of me and asked for my reaction to another defeat - I said " if we always sell our best players this is what happens in big games".

If the city was a one club city all the support from the area could be channelled into one big effort and investors with twice the audience could put in cash with more confidence. I know, you and others would never stand shoulder to shoulder with Wendy fans but enough would and over time it would grow and grow.

At present we are two nobody clubs who don't threaten the big boys. Between us we have one secondary cup between us in donkeys years.

Personally I love to watch gifted players and I hate getting stuffed by the big clubs who then patronise our brave efforts. I'd love to watch us in the Champions League and challenge for domestic honours. Our "local" rivalry is exactly that, parochial and meaningless on the national scale.

In the meantime I know full well it will never happen and I support my club for what it is and for what I was born into. The new owners? The first potential "real deal" I have ever known. That's why over the months I despaired at how so many you "greater blades" than me did nothing but knock them until last month in fact. Are they the "real deal" I desperately hope so and I hope that lot at Hillsborough are charlottans, of course I do.

bloody hell Woodwardfan. I don't think I've ever disagreed with a post as much as I do yours. Struggling where to start. Obviously you've every right to an opinion but really....I'm sure you're every bit as "big" a Blade as everyone else but does success matter to you that much ?

I'm sure there are lots of Sheffield people who support Man Utd, City, L'pool just to support a successful club, but nobody respects them for doing so

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

If you think I'm a "lesser Blade" I can live with that, but not agree with it of course. My realisation came many years ago as football became more a business with "big being beautiful". Nothing I had ever seen at either club helped me believe either would be successful in the new scenario and nothing I have seen since has helped me change my mind. If as you say the new ownership leads us to bigger things then that will be one hell of a bonus at my stage of life.

Supporting United in a split city has always meant stuttering up into the top division on occasions but always with an inadequate squad and insufficient cash to give it a good go, though Bassett worked wonders on peanuts for a while. I've lost count how many really big games I've been to in cups and play-offs knowing full well our team needed a miracle, which never materialised of course. After one semi-final at Old Trafford a TV reporter thrust a microphone in front of me and asked for my reaction to another defeat - I said " if we always sell our best players this is what happens in big games".

If the city was a one club city all the support from the area could be channelled into one big effort and investors with twice the audience could put in cash with more confidence. I know, you and others would never stand shoulder to shoulder with Wendy fans but enough would and over time it would grow and grow.

At present we are two nobody clubs who don't threaten the big boys. Between us we have one secondary cup between us in donkeys years.

Personally I love to watch gifted players and I hate getting stuffed by the big clubs who then patronise our brave efforts. I'd love to watch us in the Champions League and challenge for domestic honours. Our "local" rivalry is exactly that, parochial and meaningless on the national scale.

In the meantime I know full well it will never happen and I support my club for what it is and for what I was born into. The new owners? The first potential "real deal" I have ever known. That's why over the months I despaired at how so many you "greater blades" than me did nothing but knock them until last month in fact. Are they the "real deal" I desperately hope so and I hope that lot at Hillsborough are charlottans, of course I do.

But you wouldn't be supporting United, you'd be supporting a totally different club. You might as well support Man U if you want Europeon football so badly that you'd be willing to see United shut down.
And the assumption that all the combined support of the two clubs would be channelled into a merged club is wrong.
It wouldn't, I wouldn't go and many more wouldn't either. Not because I "won't sit next to a Wednesday fan" but because I'd have no interest in supporting a different club to United.

A merged club would be smaller than both the Sheffield clubs are currently.