Wilder's comments tonight 23/07/19

[bromtom]

Wanting to extend a contract running into the last year makes perfect sense. Indeed, we're usually glad that people want to commit themselves to the team. The fact that he agreed a deal 18 months ago doesn't affect this - that's the normal chronology of events.

Whatever was discussed it appears Duffy hasn't handled it as well as he might, but you've jumped to conclusions in order to criticise him for being greedy, and you've got no evidence to back that up. That's disappointing.

I want him to stay, I think a bit of criticism is fair though when you have Baldock in the same situation and having interest from other clubs but we've not heard of his people looking for a new contract.

Don't think I've jumped to a conclusion, I personally don't think I've come to a crazy conclusion, people who want new contracts when they've already got a perfectly good contract (for his age, recent game time), usually want something better than what they have.

That might be wrong, and I hope it is. I'm not trying to be overly critical, it's just my view, it means fuck all.

I'd love Duffy to stay, and play at Anfield and be the legend he is.

 

[Ricky]

Eh ? You don't think Freeman has looked good so far ?

OK, but not good. He can do better. Didn't see Northampton game.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Anyone else think Wilder is a bit of a hypocrite here? 3 new contracts in 3 years yet he’s not appeh at Duffy doing the same?!

 

[coolhandluke]

He was bloody good tonight to be fair. And I say that as someone who wasn't a huge fan of his at QPR.

2 assists and a goal . Not a bad return for an attacking midfielder .

I must confess however that I was a big fan of his while he was at QPR and I was inclined to agree with Ricky's sentiments that he hadn't exactly hit the ground running .

We're only 4 games into a pre-season though so after tonight I'm a little bit more comfortable with his recruitment .

Barnsley away on saturday will hopefully give me more confidence that he was a great buy .

 

[coolhandluke]

Anyone else think Wilder is a bit of a hypocrite here? 3 new contracts in 3 years yet he’s not appeh at Duffy doing the same?!

No .

 

[Snake]

Anyone else think Wilder is a bit of a hypocrite here? 3 new contracts in 3 years yet he’s not appeh at Duffy doing the same?!

Not at all. We don't know the intricacies of Wilder's contracts. Besides its supply and demand mate. Wilder could take his pick from lots of good jobs. As much as I love Duff, he's not in the same position.

 

[Houston_Blade]

No .

So you do you disagree that Duffy’s performance levels would make him deserving of an improved deal? Much the same as Wilders performance levels have got him improved deals.

 

[Blade83]

Anyone else think Wilder is a bit of a hypocrite here? 3 new contracts in 3 years yet he’s not appeh at Duffy doing the same?!

Fairly Wilder said earlier in pre-season that his own contract had a renegotiation clause on promotion.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Not at all. We don't know the intricacies of Wilder's contracts. Besides its supply and demand mate. Wilder could take his pick from lots of good jobs. As much as I love Duff, he's not in the same position.

Not saying we are wrong to award better contracts to Wilder but then to call a player out for doing the same seems wrong to me.

 

[coolhandluke]

So you do you disagree that Duffy’s performance levels would make him deserving of an improved deal? Much the same as Wilders performance levels have got him improved deals.

Theres a fundamental difference between Duffy and Wilder in relation to their contract situation and I'm genuinely surprised you've even raised it . Is this a whoosh moment I'm having ?

 

[bromtom]

Not saying we are wrong to award better contracts to Wilder but then to call a player out for doing the same seems wrong to me.

He probably does deserve a bit of an extension, nothing major though given his age and game time going down, but that's not the problem for me, it's that Wilder and the club have their stance, the players will know it, and no-one else has been offered one this summer (Baldock for example) but Duffy('s agent probably) has gone in for a better deal than everyone else.

 

[Bill Johnson]

He probably does deserve a bit of an extension, nothing major though given his age and game time going down, but that's not the problem for me, it's that Wilder and the club have their stance, the players will know it, and no-one else has been offered one this summer (Baldock for example) but Duffy('s agent probably) has gone in for a better deal than everyone else.

He has what he deserves and hasn't earned any more than that.

We need a striker.
Duffy whilst am integral part of our recent past isn't part of our future.
End of.

 

[Old Programme seller]

You can see both sides MD is 34 he’s thinking that next year at 35 will he be a player for a decent team if he lets his contract run down, from Utd’s point of view do they want a 35 year old that may or may not be good enough for the Premier League on their books or worse a 35 year old on decent wages for a championship team.

 

[GuangzhouBlade]

It's a strange one, as brilliant as Duffy has been for us he's never really "done it" anywhere else and I think that's the down to the system we play. He plays the "Duffy" role. I can't see him pulling up any trees in the championship unless a club is willing to build a team round him which isn't likely to happen considering his age.
I hate to say it the only sides I could perhaps see him playing is at Leeds or Bristol City in a free role but can't see either of them offering him a 3 year deal. He may as well try and force his way back into our side and if isn't working then go in January.

This is likely to be his only chance for premier league football but only he knows which he value more a longer deal or a crack at the prem.

 

[allypallyblade]

If he wants to play in the prem he should stay and compete. Otherwise don't. Not sure another prem club will offer.

 

[North somerset blade]

In Sir Chris we trust, you’re either on the bus or not, and who wouldn’t want to be. Like it

 

[knowsnowt]

Anyone have a link?
Dick pic rewards on offer.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Some interesting points to consider.

I understand, even concur with, Wilder's view that he, and he alone, is the person who chooses when, or if, a player deserves further discussions about their agreement.

If the report that Duffy, either accompanied by, or bolstered by, his agent, attempted to push for an increase in the wage negotiated 18 months earlier, then Wilder appears to have laid down the law. However the club approach what is paid, whether certain players are handled differently, that has to be the club's affair. Finally, Mark Duffy has achieved the status of Premier division player, but I sense that tactically MD, with his agent's input, has made an error of judgement.

It's far too early for United to be as expansive with their wage structure as more established clubs at this level. If that doesn't fit easily with a player's perception regarding what they feel they're worth then the club is right to draw a line on this. If, as reported, Duffy has made a case for an improved agreement then clearly his future at United has a limited shelf-life. I wonder what, at 33, MD imagined he could push for, given that the club are now in a very different stratosphere and able to consider players who previously might not have given us the time of day?

 

[Pinchy]

I read that as Duffy wanting to extend his contract and not increase his wages. Which, at his age, is a fair thing to be after. He seems to have handled it badly though.

It’s equally fair for the manager to refuse it if he thinks that’s in the best interests of the club. I’m sorry but Duffy hasn’t a leg to stand on here, ironically much like the Pig defenders on Bouncing Day...

 

[SHOREHAMST.com]

Sounds like Wilder has just got a lot on trying to bring new faces in whilst managing the budget carefully. And feels he will deal with internal contract issues in his own time. Picture the scene...

Wilder is at his wits end after almost finalising a deal for Maupay, when his agent demands an extra 15k as he’s just remembered he needs a new fridge freezer and loft conversion. A knock on the door and in walks Duffy with that annoying scouse accent. Jinks past Knilly, almost causing him to drop his skinny latte, and comes right out with “give us a new contract laa”. Wilder’s not in the mood. Duffy gets ratty. Wilder gets arsey. And the two personalities clash.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Sounds like Wilder has just got a lot on trying to bring new faces in whilst managing the budget carefully. And feels he will deal with internal contract issues in his own time. Picture the scene...

Wilder is at his wits end after almost finalising a deal for Maupay, when his agent demands an extra 15k as he’s just remembered he needs a new fridge freezer and loft conversion. A knock on the door and in walks Duffy with that annoying scouse accent. Jinks past Knilly, almost causing him to drop his skinny latte, and comes right out with “give us a new contract laa”. Wilder’s not in the mood. Duffy gets ratty. Wilder gets arsey. And the two personalities clash.

And Wilder wins.
Next.

 

[Pinchy]

Wanting to extend a contract running into the last year makes perfect sense. Indeed, we're usually glad that people want to commit themselves to the team. The fact that he agreed a deal 18 months ago doesn't affect this - that's the normal chronology of events.

Whatever was discussed it appears Duffy hasn't handled it as well as he might, but you've jumped to conclusions in order to criticise him for being greedy, and you've got no evidence to back that up. That's disappointing.

He’s perfectly entitled to ask for a new contract. The manager is entitled to say no. Duffy still has a contract. Nobody is trying to take that away from him. Any acrimony is entirely down to him.

 

[Pinchy]

And Wilder wins.
Next.

Precisely. There can be no other way. If and when Duffy becomes a manager he will realise that.

 

[SHOREHAMST.com]

And Wilder wins.
Next.

If Duffy is happier getting two years at a Championship club than he is one year with us, then he also wins. Although, I suspect, it’s not a competition.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Precisely. There can be no other way. If and when Duffy becomes a manager he will realise that.

And you and I know Camilla Parker Bowles will be worth a wank before that happens.

 

[Tom Bott]

Take emotion out of the equation.

I love Duffy to bits , but as CW could only play him for 70 minutes in the Championship how long could he play for in the PL ?

The largely unsung sport science which CW and his team have brought in, has succeeded in the players having relatively few injuries. Taking a player off like Duffy when you see his performance level dip to 70/80% prevents these injuries from occurring.

Having said that I would love to see him have a chance to shine in the PL because he deserves it - Legend.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Take emotion out of the equation.

I love Duffy to bits , but as CW could only play him for 70 minutes in the Championship how long could he play for in the PL ?

The largely unsung sport science which CW and his team have brought in, has succeeded in the players having relatively few injuries. Taking a player off like Duffy when you see his performance level dip to 70/80% prevents these injuries from occurring.

Having said that I would love to see him have a chance to shine in the PL because he deserves it - Legend.

Understand your point.
Would giving Duffy or any other legend as you put it be worth losing 3 vital points for?
We are in the biggest league in the world.
Thank fuck Wilder knows it.

 

[Pinchy]

I’m already weary of this ‘deserves it’ nonsense which is proliferating at the moment. Anyone who deserves to play will do so, but the manager will decide that on current merit not reward for previous services.

I’ve said this before but I’ll repeat it as often as it takes. Are we serious about the Premier League or is it just a testimonial season for deserving cases? Personally I want as many points as we get. That means hard-nosed, professional thinking, not a fucking farewell tour for old favourites. Maybe we could let Warnock be manager for a couple of games. He deserves another go, after all [he fucking doesn’t, of course, but you get my point...]

 

[Trigger Blade]

Well new contract = more money in the majority of cases. Even if it's an extension, it's more money coming in even without a raise, which I can't see there not being.

But I mean in terms of the team, they all have lifts in the contracts, Wilder said so in that interview with Bettis, but Duffy thinks his contract isn't good enough.

From a team perspective it's a disappointing thing to hear.

From what Wilder said, it’s about a contract extension and he’ll decide if and when there should be one.

MD is 34 in October, a 12 month extension would take him to 35 1/2, quite old for a Prem player (assuming we stay up). Wilder’s attitude in the interview said to me that he’s annoyed by Duffy’s stance.

I have no idea what his weekly wage will be now, I doubt he’ll get a move to a Premiership club. If he stays in the Championship, who’s going to pay him as much as us, or even a bit less in return for a 2 year deal? I think Wilder’s called his bluff, and doesn’t necessarily believe that any offers exist.

Presumably, we can also ask for a fee as he still has a year left, a million or two would be useful.....

 

[Bill Johnson]

I’m already weary of this ‘deserves it’ nonsense which is proliferating at the moment. Anyone who deserves to play will do so, but the manager will decide that on current merit not reward for previous services.

I’ve said this before but I’ll repeat it as often as it takes. Are we serious about the Premier League or is it just a testimonial season for deserving cases? Personally I want as many points as we get. That means hard-nosed, professional thinking, not a fucking farewell tour for old favourites. Maybe we could let Warnock be manager for a couple of games. He deserves another go, after all [he fucking doesn’t, of course, but you get my point...]

Personally. Having spent our last year In the Prem on a fruitless autograph hunting tour under Colin fucking Wanker I'd like to let Wilder drag me by the balls this time.