Wilder's comments tonight 23/07/19

[SHOREHAMST.com]

I don't think he does.

It's highly likely he won't get as much as what he's on here....and once his contract is up here he'd probably still get offered a year deal somewhere. So i'd argue he'll earn more staying here for a season.

I don’t necessarily think he does either. But we are discussing the subject by way of trying to determine a “winner”. Bit silly really.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I think his buddy status with CW was clear from day one.

He should not be here. Ridiculous that a player so far out of the picture should be taking up any of the playing budget.

We kept him around as back up as we needed a strong squad to challenge for promotion.

He won't be on big wages, what's wrong with people? What happened to 'Wilder doesn't spunk moneh' and J.Wright is a solid proffesional and grounded leader'.

 

[Bert]

I think his buddy status with CW was clear from day one.

He should not be here. Ridiculous that a player so far out of the picture should be taking up any of the playing budget.

Bert can't remember Wright ever letting us down when called upon.
He's probably the lowest paid player in the squad.

 

[SU93]

We kept him around as back up as we needed a strong squad to challenge for promotion.

He won't be on big wages, what's wrong with people? What happened to 'Wilder doesn't spunk moneh' and J.Wright is a solid proffesional and grounded leader'.

Exactly. People are looking way to much into this and it's quite strange people questioning Wilder over this.

We cannot bend over backwards for any player no matter who they are or what they have done for the club while the manager or club isn't ready to offer a new contract.

 

[RedandWhite]

Not sure why everyone is losing their heads over the Duffy situation. Duffy was a good player but IMO he turned up once every 4/5 games. He couldn't play 90mins and although he has amazing close control did we ever see a pass that would open a defence? Didzy, Sharp, Norwood, Stevens, JOC, Egan and Henderson all did their roles far better. He's also 33. Given that, if he was to stay i'd be happy but I wouldn't fret if he was to leave either. Wait until we all see Morrison, we'll forget Duffy in weeks.

 

[Pinchy]

I don’t necessarily think he does either. But we are discussing the subject by way of trying to determine a “winner”. Bit silly really.

Maybe. It’s also a bit silly to suggest the issue is evenly balanced. Wilder decides whether Duffy gets a new contract, not Duffy or Duffy admirers (I'm one of them).

 

[Redhead]

Bert can't remember Wright ever letting us down when called upon.
He's probably the lowest paid player in the squad.

The point is he hasn’t been called upon for seasons.
That’s what we spunk wages on Bryan for. As back up.

As has been said ..... if you are not going to get any game time and I mean any, then even if he was on £1k a week which he is clearly on a hell of a lot more, it is money wasted.

 

[Redhead]

We kept him around as back up as we needed a strong squad to challenge for promotion.

He won't be on big wages, what's wrong with people? What happened to 'Wilder doesn't spunk moneh' and J.Wright is a solid proffesional and grounded leader'.

Everything you say is correct but it was correct in league one and the first 6 months in the Championship........

As far as Wright is concerned......

It also what you class as big wages? £5k £10k £15k a week.

Even at £5k which is far too low it is quarter of a million pounds a season.

 

[Ricky]

Wait until we all see Morrison, we'll forget Duffy in weeks.

LOL. We won't forget Duffy in decades.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Sounds like there's been a fallout with Duffy, Wilder pretty curt right at the end when talking about him. Shame, I hope it doesn't end ugly & the two of them can end things amicably. What a player he has been. I think MD is making a mistake though

 

[RavBlade]

Maybe its just a case of Duffy seeing other players coming in on more money than him, getting the tit on about it, having a bit of a forest fairy type strop and demanding a raise. Only CW isn't CC, and wont take shit from players or agents. He made clear who the boss is from day one.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Maybe its just a case of Duffy seeing other players coming in on more money than him, getting the tit on about it, having a bit of a forest fairy type strop and demanding a raise. Only CW isn't CC, and wont take shit from players or agents. He made clear who the boss is from day one.

TBH, i'd feel for him too. A key player for a double promotion winning side, potentially earning less than 'name' Morrison or Freeman, I think anyone else would be like ... hang on.

 

[RavBlade]

TBH, i'd feel for him too. A key player for a double promotion winning side, potentially earning less than 'name' Morrison or Freeman, I think anyone else would be like ... hang on.

Oh I have a bit of sympathy, but am not heart broken for him. I think he's shot himself in the foot with this one I'm afraid.
I'd be surprised if Morrison was on more than him be honest, Freeman on the othehand quite possibly. That might stick in his craw a bit, his replacement coming straight in on more money than him.
I think he should have kept his powder dry. Outside influences maybe ???

 

[PC_1989]

In. Year Extension? Out. C ya.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Oh I have a bit of sympathy, but am not heart broken for him. I think he's shot himself in the foot with this one I'm afraid.
I'd be surprised if Morrison was on more than him be honest, Freeman on the othehand quite possibly. That might stick in his craw a bit, his replacement coming straight in on more money than him.
I think he should have kept his powder dry. Outside influences maybe ???

Oh, of course, his agent doesn't get any cash without a reneg.

Hopefully he'll realise the situation he's in, decide to spend a season in the Prem, knuckle down, try get some gametime (we've reverted back to him so often)...and then see where he's at.

 

[shrubbery]

TBH, i'd feel for him too. A key player for a double promotion winning side, potentially earning less than 'name' Morrison or Freeman, I think anyone else would be like ... hang on.

Even if he currently is on less money than Freeman and Morrison then that would be purely because his current contract was agreed and signed 18 months ago. It can't be that every time a new player is signed, every existing member of the squad demands a renegotiation of their contracts just in case they are getting paid less than the newcomer.

Duffy has to knuckle down and prove his worth in the Premier League. If he does this then he will be awarded with an upgraded contract on merit. Stamping your feet is not going to work with Wilder.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Even if he currently is on less money than Freeman and Morrison then that would be purely because his current contract was agreed and signed 18 months ago. It can't be that every time a new player is signed, every existing member of the squad demands a renegotiation of their contracts just in case they are getting paid less than the newcomer.

Duffy has to knuckle down and prove his worth in the Premier League. If he does this then he will be awarded with an upgraded contract on merit. Stamping your feet is not going to work with Wilder.

That's how it currently works , hence why there's negotiations every season for players.

I remember years ago in my first job, I was tasked with mentoring a new graduate. He was on 5k more than me (this is 1998), so I can imagine how it feels because I was fuming.

 

[RavBlade]

Oh, of course, his agent doesn't get any cash without a reneg.

Hopefully he'll realise the situation he's in, decide to spend a season in the Prem, knuckle down, try get some gametime (we've reverted back to him so often)...and then see where he's at.

I sincerely hope he does realise the situation, and quickly. I still think he can have a decent part to play this season, provided he toes the line.
He'd be ideal to come off the bench to create chances and run at tiring defenders, turning them inside out aka Van Revolvingdoor.
I also think he can give Freeman tip or two at how to play his role. A few have tried, and failed.

 

[shrubbery]

That's how it currently works , hence why there's negotiations every season for players.

I remember years ago in my first job, I was tasked with mentoring a new graduate. He was on 5k more than me (this is 1998), so I can imagine how it feels because I was fuming.

That analogy does not work. These are not 'graduate' footballers straight from university with no experience such as your colleague. These are players with equal / more experience than Duffy that are worth more in the current transfer market and should therefore not automatically be on the same / less money than him just because he is already at the club.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

That analogy does not work. These are not 'graduate' footballers straight from university with no experience such as your colleague. These are players with equal / more experience than Duffy that are worth more in the current transfer market and should therefore not automatically be on the same / less money than him just because he is already at the club.

Equal/more experience than? Not sure I agree with that one.

 

[GrayBlade]

I wonder if there’s more to it and his agent had already sounded out a Championship club for him. There’s a few teams there who could possibly match or better his PL package and offer him a longer deal. Shame really, I had hoped that he’d at least have a part to play in the PL and it does all sound a bit acrimonious from Shield’s interpretation anyway..

 

[RavBlade]

That analogy does not work. These are not 'graduate' footballers straight from university with no experience such as your colleague. These are players with equal / more experience than Duffy that are worth more in the current transfer market and should therefore not automatically be on the same / less money than him just because he is already at the club.

Or could just be the case of being better players in on bigger transfers and negotiated better wages to come here. He'll have to suck it up for now I'm afraid.

 

[bromtom]

That's how it currently works , hence why there's negotiations every season for players.

I remember years ago in my first job, I was tasked with mentoring a new graduate. He was on 5k more than me (this is 1998), so I can imagine how it feels because I was fuming.

I can see why you'd be a bit "hmmm..." about it, but you in 1998, the £5k was I assume a year, and a fairly large percentage of your salary, 5-10%? That's not the case for Duffy. He gets half a good yearly wage a week. £5k for a normal person means a lot and probably means your life is improved, for a footballer on about £20k a week it means their savings get bigger, or their financial team has a bit more to invest.

As a footballer, you spend your life playing against other players who very likely will be earning more than you, despite in Duffy's case, being worse most of the time, Wednesday players for example.

You can't react to it.

If Freeman L comes in on £25k and Duffy is on 18k with his lifts, he'll still be on nearly a million per year.

I don't think Duff is like that, I think he'll be secure, he seems like a down to earth bloke, I think his agent has got him worked up about it and absolutely sold him down the river.

 

[BushBlade]

That's how it currently works , hence why there's negotiations every season for players.

I remember years ago in my first job, I was tasked with mentoring a new graduate. He was on 5k more than me (this is 1998), so I can imagine how it feels because I was fuming.

That’s not a situation I would have tolerated. Which is why I now work for myself and I’m probably unemployable these days.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

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I'm with Tom, at the bottom there.

I really thought Duffy would be keen to have a crack at PL football as long as he was still in Wilder's plans.

If it's his choice, it's a disappointing choice, but so be it.

It's a shame. His direct replacement Freeman is still to look like he's clicking in this team. So it's not ideal for us.

Completely agree with the latter point mate.

Danny04 any news on if this could all just blow over?!

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I can see why you'd be a bit "hmmm..." about it, but you in 1998, the £5k was I assume a year, and a fairly large percentage of your salary, 5-10%? That's not the case for Duffy. He gets half a good yearly wage a week. £5k for a normal person means a lot and probably means your life is improved, for a footballer on about £20k a week it means their savings get bigger, or their financial team has a bit more to invest.

As a footballer, you spend your life playing against other players who very likely will be earning more than you, despite in Duffy's case, being worse most of the time, Wednesday players for example.

You can't react to it.

If Freeman L comes in on £25k and Duffy is on 18k with his lifts, he'll still be on nearly a million per year.

I don't think Duff is like that, I think he'll be secure, he seems like a down to earth bloke, I think his agent has got him worked up about it and absolutely sold him down the river.

Not sure. THe agent might have planted it, but Wilder says himself he gave Duffy the weekend off to think about it and he came back saying there's other clubs interested.

Daft really.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

That’s not a situation I would have tolerated. Which is why I now work for myself and I’m probably unemployable these days.

I didn't, I left for the big smoke and 20k more .

They asked what they could do to keep me there in the leaving interview. I said about 4 promotions.

I left.

And I work for myself now too

 

[BushBlade]

I didn't, I left for the big smoke and 20k more .

They asked what they could do to keep me there in the leaving interview. I said about 4 promotions.

I left.

And I work for myself now too

That’s even more pathetic. If they don’t know why you’re leaving and wait until your leaving interview to ask you what would make you stay, they’re not even fit to run Wednesday, never mind a proper business.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

That’s even more pathetic. If they don’t know why you’re leaving and wait until your leaving interview to ask you what would make you stay, they’re not even fit to run Wednesday, never mind a proper business.

You'll have heard many stories of how this company is with their local staff...... Was probably the biggest employer in Sheffield at one point.

 

[Kev Gee]

Bad timing from MD and his agent tbh.

CW is busy trying to get a squad together for our biggest season in decades.

Your either in for the ride (and hopefully get rewarded in due course) or you leave.

There's no room for sentiment.