Wilder's comments tonight 23/07/19

[bromtom]

Conjecture time.

Would Wilder be so angry about this if it was just an extension?

Surely he's not that quick to anger? If he'd come in and said "Boss, I want to play here for the foreseeable like, any chance of a chat about an extension?" then you'd just say, well I'm a bit busy at the moment but I'll get to you Mark.

The anger to me comes from someone somewhere taking liberties, or what Wilder perceives to be taking liberties.

As I've said though, hopefully just dick waving and they can move past it.

 

[Champagneblade]

Picked the wrong moment to try it on.

Surely after a career’s hard work you’d get your head down and enjoy PL football. If it works out, you’ll be entering contract negotiations in November.

If not, you get a move in January with the manager’s blessing.

This seems like one of those moments when in ten years time at a sufc social uniting Coutts, Fleck and Duffy, the holy trinity, that Duffy looks back and says he got it wrong and should have stayed.

I feel Duffy and his Agent have jumped the gun here and got this one badly wrong and it cod cost Mark the chance of playing some Premier League football. Hope they back down and this can be reversed.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Now isnt the time for boo hoo .
Imo Duffy and Lundstram are surplus.
Add Clarke Carruthers Holmes and Evans.
This season will define our next decade.

 

[Keen Blade]

Manager got Freeman & Robinson in - surely Duff could see the writing on the wall ? If he gets Fer in , Lundstram better mind his Ps & Q's , or he'll be out on his arse too.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Theres a fundamental difference between Duffy and Wilder in relation to their contract situation and I'm genuinely surprised you've even raised it . Is this a whoosh moment I'm having ?

My comment was part tongue in cheek, however I do think that Duffy has asked for some additional security and maybe something that a player of his age with a season left to run might consider a sensible idea. The problem seems to be the execution of how he/agent has done so.

I’m all for Wilder sticking to his principles with players and it sends a message to others that I agree with wholeheartedly. The annual Wilder contract extension and pay rise is something I was joking about at the match tonight with my mate so it was just fresh in my mind.

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

Sounds like from what wilder said, we offered him a new deal with a release clause if we were promoted?

Strike a light ffs

 

[grafikhaus]

I find it hard to criticise Duffy in this - it sounds like his agent has pushed it too far but fair play to CW. His stance will mean we miss out on players - like Maupay - but you've got to draw the line at some point. People think that an agent 'only has the interest of his client at heart' but this can often backfire (as well as usually being bollocks). Next up is Dean Henderson. Does he keep dicking around and end up being third/fourth choice at Man. U? Does he hope - with less than three weeks till the new season - that a bigger/better club than the Blades comes in for him? Or does he tell his agent to stop fucking around and that he wants to return to Bramall Lane where he's loved, which he loves and where he'll be in the shop window every week, a regular in 'the best league in the world'? Time is very much on Dean's side in the professional game. Over to you, DH.

Re. Duffy a cracking player who has left us with some very fond memories but with 32 starts - at a lower level - last year and being substituted in 28 of those, it's doubtful if he could contribute too much in the PL. He was obviously a bit pissed off when he was substituted around the hour mark, but that's probably professional pride. With fitness trackers etc., there's no hiding place nowadays.

Good luck, Mark. Football can be a cold, hard place.

 

[Whiston Blade]

Let's hope CW sticks to his guns and Duffy can go elsewhere, you had a brilliant opportunity to play P football but decided to jump the gun and it's now blown up in your face, unlucky fella.

C ya.

 

[mancunianblade]

Is there another club out there will to give him a 2 or even 3 year deal? The guy is approaching 34 and has just triggered a PL wage rise.

 

[robbiez666]

It’s equally fair for the manager to refuse it if he thinks that’s in the best interests of the club. I’m sorry but Duffy hasn’t a leg to stand on here, ironically much like the Pig defenders on Bouncing Day...

Totally, It;s Wilder's call. I'd not extend his contract. He'd be 35 and I very much doubt much use in the top flight then.

 

[sitwell]

Leon scored at Wendy ,if he did the same would you give him a better contract ?

 

[sheepbridge]

Wanting to extend a contract running into the last year makes perfect sense. Indeed, we're usually glad that people want to commit themselves to the team. The fact that he agreed a deal 18 months ago doesn't affect this - that's the normal chronology of events.

Whatever was discussed it appears Duffy hasn't handled it as well as he might, but you've jumped to conclusions in order to criticise him for being greedy, and you've got no evidence to back that up. That's disappointing.

There is a big difference between us offering a contract to a player who we want to keep and a player approaching the end of a contract (and Duffy still has a year left) walking in and asking for another one, like he's doing us the favour.

We kept giving contracts to players who were plainly not good enough in Division One and paid for it for 5 years. Took Wilder coming in and sorting it to get us out.

No matter how great MD has been, he has a contract, probably a good one. The club has moved on. Duffy could have got on with it and prove he deserves another one but for some reason he hasn't. I suspect he knows he won't play much and is trying to protect his future, which is fine. Luckily we have a manager trying to protect ours by giving contracts to those he feels will contribute in future and progress the club, not on what they did in the past, in lower divisions. As I say, we've been there before.

 

[Yewsman]

I have always had the impression that there has been some tension between CW and Duff in that Duff feels he should have played more games/time than he actually has. CW obviously thought Duff needed resting or wasn’t up to playing in certain games but Duff wanted to play every game and not be subbed and did not like it when he was not selected or was subbed. May be he has a bit of a balshi streak in him? He signed a new contract 18 months ago which gave him an automatic pay rise with promotion to the PL but now he wants a further pay rise by all accounts. Being balshi again? Put up to it by his agent or partner?
I am a massive MD fan but I think CW is absolutely right. Duff should knuckle down and try and get in the team. I think he would and would love to see him play in the PL before he is too old. Hope this can be resolved but sounds unlikely. Very sad.

 

[dc_blade]

Leon scored at Wendy ,if he did the same would you give him a better contract ?

You can’t be suggesting that Clarke and Duffy made the same contribution last season, surely?

 

[dc_blade]

I’m already weary of this ‘deserves it’ nonsense which is proliferating at the moment. Anyone who deserves to play will do so, but the manager will decide that on current merit not reward for previous services.

I’ve said this before but I’ll repeat it as often as it takes. Are we serious about the Premier League or is it just a testimonial season for deserving cases? Personally I want as many points as we get. That means hard-nosed, professional thinking, not a fucking farewell tour for old favourites. Maybe we could let Warnock be manager for a couple of games. He deserves another go, after all [he fucking doesn’t, of course, but you get my point...]

Except that no one else besides you is talking about playing time. This is a conversation about a contract. I don’t think a single person is suggesting that Duffy deserves a certain number of guaranteed starts or anything of the sort. There is a debate about whether he deserves another year on his contract, and possibly more money.

 

[Liverpool blade]

Anyone else think Wilder is a bit of a hypocrite here? 3 new contracts in 3 years yet he’s not appeh at Duffy doing the same?!

No way. That was down to forward thinking from our boardroom for a change making sure they don’t lose the greatest manager we’ve had in a good few years.

 

[DazBlade88]

Looking at our recruitment it's been obvious we were looking to replace him in the long term, and rightly so at this stage of his career.

I don't think you can point the finger at either party here. Duffy wants added security whilst Wilder is planning for the long term. Offering an extension to a player who the staff seemingly don't think can complete 90 minutes regularly as it is, doesn't look like the right choice.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Can't believe this, Mark you fucking plonker.

 

[SwissBlade]

#sufc boss Chris Wilder says there has been no change in discussions re the loan move of Dean Henderson from #mufc. Suggest a final decision on whether it happens or not to happen before the weekend. Reiterated that they are considering other options.

#sufc boss Chris Wilder says Mark Duffy is free to look for other clubs after a contract talks this summer. Duffy initially offered a contract 18 months ago that included a #EPL promotion clause.

#sufc boss Chris Wilder has confirmed that the transfer of Ben Osborn from #nffc will happen in the next 24/48 hours.

#sufc boss CW says he's in the market for more midfielder, but stopped short of confirming a deal for Leroy Fer was close.

I bloody love Wilder. Just listened to him on Football heaven, he takes the correct stance pretty much every time.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Perhaps Duffy wanted a contact in parity with what Jake Wright & Leon Clarke had been given at a similar age and stage of their existing contract.

Whatever happens - he has my best wishes. He's played the most important role on the pitch in the last 3 years IMO. Even if he hadn't, September 2017 is an iconic moment in our history.

Super, massive, huge GLTTL.

 

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[Maidenhead]

Conjecture time.

Would Wilder be so angry about this if it was just an extension?

Surely he's not that quick to anger? If he'd come in and said "Boss, I want to play here for the foreseeable like, any chance of a chat about an extension?" then you'd just say, well I'm a bit busy at the moment but I'll get to you Mark.

The anger to me comes from someone somewhere taking liberties, or what Wilder perceives to be taking liberties.

As I've said though, hopefully just dick waving and they can move past it.

Wilder doesn't strike me as being one to bear grudges, or cut off his nose to spite his face.

If Duffy puts in the hard graft and deserves a place in the first 11 he'll get one, just as Coutts and Freeman did in days gone by.

If Wilder thinks that he's worth a contract extension by January, he'll get one offered, if not he won't.

Wilder was definitely sounding frustrated about the approach, and the reaction to the request for an extension now being declined, but he said " I gave him the weekend off" not "I bombed him out of the club because we don't need mardy arses or people that don't want to be here"

Mark Duffy's future is entirely in Mark Duffy's hands.

This situation is of his making and what happens next is entirely down to his choice, his work ethic, or his ability.

 

[Ricky]

Perhaps Duffy wanted a contact in parity with what Jake Wright & Leon Clarke had been given at a similar age and stage of their existing contract.

Looking at the extremely generous (and in Wright's case, sentimental) contracts those 2 were given he does have every reason to feel aggrieved.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

If Duffy is happier getting two years at a Championship club than he is one year with us, then he also wins. Although, I suspect, it’s not a competition.

I don't think he does.

It's highly likely he won't get as much as what he's on here....and once his contract is up here he'd probably still get offered a year deal somewhere. So i'd argue he'll earn more staying here for a season.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Now isnt the time for boo hoo .
Imo Duffy and Lundstram are surplus.
Add Clarke Carruthers Holmes and Evans.
This season will define our next decade.

Looking into Pre-season, clearly Lundstram is anything but surplus.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Looking at the extremely generous (and in Wright's case, sentimental) contracts those 2 were given he does have every reason to feel aggrieved.

What the hell was Wright's contract length? Not played for about 2 years and hes about 34. Gotta be close mates with CW lol.

 

[Redhead]

I’m already weary of this ‘deserves it’ nonsense which is proliferating at the moment. Anyone who deserves to play will do so, but the manager will decide that on current merit not reward for previous services.

I’ve said this before but I’ll repeat it as often as it takes. Are we serious about the Premier League or is it just a testimonial season for deserving cases? Personally I want as many points as we get. That means hard-nosed, professional thinking, not a fucking farewell tour for old favourites. Maybe we could let Warnock be manager for a couple of games. He deserves another go, after all [he fucking doesn’t, of course, but you get my point...]

Wrong... every new contract whether you are a manager or player is based on previous service and what level that service achieved.

I agree that if CW decides that service is worthy of a further wage increase then so be it.

It was CW who, after winning promotion harped lyrically regards Duffy turning out at Liverpool. In fact he was at that time happy to push the “ tour for old favorites” line.

That said..... I agree with your comment that when a player is passed his sell buy date, it is time to go. The club have been more than fair with a contract offer allowing Duffy a final crack at Premiership level.

If he needs more security then go and find a 2 year deal elsewhere......

 

[Redhead]

What the hell was Wright's contract length? Not played for about 2 years and hes about 34. Gotta be close mates with CW lol.

I think his buddy status with CW was clear from day one.

He should not be here. Ridiculous that a player so far out of the picture should be taking up any of the playing budget.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Now isnt the time for boo hoo .
Imo Duffy and Lundstram are surplus.
Add Clarke Carruthers Holmes and Evans.
This season will define our next decade.

2/10. Rubbish. It doesn’t even rhyme.

 

[Ricky]

This 'security' thing is a bit of a joke to be honest.

I know Duffy hasn't earned what he should have with his talent but he's still made a good living out of the game and would have to be a moron not to have ensured long term security for him and his family.

Someone like him also has a very safe future in football too if he wants to stay in the game.