Wilder's biggest test

[Camden Blade]

There's no doubt injuries, bad luck have been a factor but promotion sides overcome setbacks. Tom Davies? He was finding a rich vein of form. Calm, assured on the ball then crocked again. Arblaster, Souttar proved pivotal losses. Brooks? Why can't he get a look in now? He was a real asset first half of the season. All in all we were a better, more attacking side in the first half of the season. The JTW was crucial but didn't in retrospect carry us forward. BBD has been a disappointment to be frank. The team looks disjointed and less united.

These are the tactical, personnel problems. But there is an even bigger problem which is mentality. The players look on the floor and are not playing with belief and desire something which we had previously. This can come back with a lift from a big, noisy crowd and the right motivation and direction from the manager. The problem is if CW has this belief in his players himself and is prepared to ditch the negative approach. I have doubts, we all do. Motivation, instilling a winning mentality and fighting spirit were CW's managerial strong points. Does he still have it? He looks tired, the team looks tired. We need a monumental effort. If we fall short I believe it'll be time for a new direction. Over to you Chris.

 

[Flumps]

He looks like a man realising that he's not quite what he used to be. Everything about the squad at the minute just seems flat and as you say, knackered.

Regardless of what happens I think he should step aside end of season, the club and it's owners have higher ambitions than he can provide. I'd much rather he leave appropriately then the way he did last time but he's a stubborn fucker so I won't be surprised to see him on the side lines next season. I won't be tremendously disappointed as I quite like Wilder anyway

 

[54yrblade]

Hopefully, the new owners want us to kick on. If that is the case, their first huge decision is to take the bull by the horns and address the Wilder issue.
It has to happen some time, whether some of our fans like it or not.

However it ends, this season has been poor in terms of quality football, how he's behaved and in carrying too much baggage from his last tenure too.

 

[Dkc]

He looks like a man realising that he's not quite what he used to be. Everything about the squad at the minute just seems flat and as you say, knackered.

Regardless of what happens I think he should step aside end of season, the club and it's owners have higher ambitions than he can provide. I'd much rather he leave appropriately then the way he did last time but he's a stubborn fucker so I won't be surprised to see him on the side lines next season. I won't be tremendously disappointed as I quite like Wilder anyway

I'd be quite happy if our best manager in the past 30 years is still here next season. He's certainly over-performed this season regardless of the outcome of the play-offs,

Time and time again we've got rid of a decent manager in the belief that we can get someone 'better'. Time and time again it's been a step backwards.

Get rid of Porterfield, get Billy McEwan instead. Get rid of Warnock, get Brian Robson in. Sack Danny Wilson, get David Weir in. Get rid of Clough, get Adkins in. Each time we thought things would be better under the new guy. They weren't.

As I've said before, fans today seem to want change if we don't win every game. They come out with personal abuse of decent players and a very good manager. They want a change whenever there's a bad result.

Of course we're a work in progress and mistakes have been made in selection and tactics. But we've out-performed 21 teams in the division this season. And in other seasons our points tally would have given us an automatic place.

I fear for the future of the club if an obviously excellent management team is deemed 'not good enough' for the Blades because we only finish 3rd out of 23 teams in arguably the most competitive division in the world.

 

[Dkc]

Hopefully, the new owners want us to kick on. If that is the case, their first huge decision is to take the bull by the horns and address the Wilder issue.
It has to happen some time, whether some of our fans like it or not.

i presume you mean 'sack Wilder'.

It will happen, no doubt, if we are uncompetitive in the PL or in a Championship relegation fight. But you don't sack your manager after finishing 3rd in the division and just missing out on the autos. Simple stats tell us that most managers won't do as well as that. All managers in the Championship were highly-rated when appointeld. 20 out of 23 did worse than CW.

 

[54yrblade]

It'll be interesting as to how they handle it, but I wouldn't assume anything, whichever league we end up in.

 

[Blade56]

I can’t be arsed but I’m sure someone can analyse how many promoted managers have stayed with the club they got promoted too the PL with and been successful, how many have been sacked before Christmas, how many stayed and got religated etc.

My guess is most promoted managers get sacked pretty quick

 

[Cheeky Blade]

He looks tired, the team looks tired.

Thought he’s been looking good and healthy since the ozempic kicked in…dunno if there are any side effects such as anger issues???

 

[LSF]

I'd be quite happy if our best manager in the past 30 years is still here next season. He's certainly over-performed this season regardless of the outcome of the play-offs,

Time and time again we've got rid of a decent manager in the belief that we can get someone 'better'. Time and time again it's been a step backwards.

Get rid of Porterfield, get Billy McEwan instead. Get rid of Warnock, get Brian Robson in. Sack Danny Wilson, get David Weir in. Get rid of Clough, get Adkins in. Each time we thought things would be better under the new guy. They weren't.

As I've said before, fans today seem to want change if we don't win every game. They come out with personal abuse of decent players and a very good manager. They want a change whenever there's a bad result.

Of course we're a work in progress and mistakes have been made in selection and tactics. But we've out-performed 21 teams in the division this season. And in other seasons our points tally would have given us an automatic place.

I fear for the future of the club if an obviously excellent management team is deemed 'not good enough' for the Blades because we only finish 3rd out of 23 teams in arguably the most competitive division in the world.

Quite the best post I've read on here for quite a while. I rarely comment these days on some of the guff that passes as opinion but Dkc's sane view of things deserves worthy praise.

 

[Not so Slim ane]

i presume you mean 'sack Wilder'.

It will happen, no doubt, if we are uncompetitive in the PL or in a Championship relegation fight. But you don't sack your manager after finishing 3rd in the division and just missing out on the autos. Simple stats tell us that most managers won't do as well as that. All managers in the Championship were highly-rated when appointeld. 20 out of 23 did worse than CW.

20 out of 23 have had less resources than wilder tho

 

[b1ade4life]

Hopefully, the new owners want us to kick on. If that is the case, their first huge decision is to take the bull by the horns and address the Wilder issue.
It has to happen some time, whether some of our fans like it or not.

However it ends, this season has been poor in terms of quality football, how he's behaved and in carrying too much baggage from his last tenure too.

I don't quite get this obsession with quality football?? Wilder has rebuilt our squad and given us our pride back, would you honestly say that Scott Parker has delivered this "quality football l" by all accounts it's as boring as fuck for most of the season, would we had rather him at the helm?? Some of the comments really do baffle me

 

[TJ blade]

He looks like a man realising that he's not quite what he used to be. Everything about the squad at the minute just seems flat and as you say, knackered.

Regardless of what happens I think he should step aside end of season, the club and it's owners have higher ambitions than he can provide. I'd much rather he leave appropriately then the way he did last time but he's a stubborn fucker so I won't be surprised to see him on the side lines next season. I won't be tremendously disappointed as I quite like Wilder anyway

Have the new owners got higher ambitions?...think we'll soon find out

 

[Constantly Optimistic...]

I don't quite get this obsession with quality football?? Wilder has rebuilt our squad and given us our pride back, would you honestly say that Scott Parker has delivered this "quality football l" by all accounts it's as boring as fuck for most of the season, would we had rather him at the helm?? Some of the comments really do baffle me

agree. I hate Scott Parkers brand of football. Cheating, falling over, trying to get opponents booked. Negative rear guard defensive football. Totally alien to the United way. Yes, they have achieved promotion, but only because we seemed to run out of steam. Much prefer front foot attacking style football it has its downfalls from time to time, sloppy goals conceded, but far more entertaining. If Burnley continue the same next season, they will be the whipping boys and hopefully VAR will find them out for cheating. How many times yesterday did we see them dive? How many times did they run up to the ref asking for yellows? That is a bookable offence it itself, ask Vini. Poor refereeing imo.

 

[Ron_Justice]

I can’t be arsed but I’m sure someone can analyse how many promoted managers have stayed with the club they got promoted too the PL with and been successful, how many have been sacked before Christmas, how many stayed and got religated etc.

My guess is most promoted managers get sacked pretty quick

ChatGPT recons it's something like this:

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I don't quite get this obsession with quality football?? Wilder has rebuilt our squad and given us our pride back, would you honestly say that Scott Parker has delivered this "quality football l" by all accounts it's as boring as fuck for most of the season, would we had rather him at the helm?? Some of the comments really do baffle me

I would rather Scott Parker in charge, yes.

 

[Aston max]

I can’t be arsed but I’m sure someone can analyse how many promoted managers have stayed with the club they got promoted too the PL with and been successful, how many have been sacked before Christmas, how many stayed and got religated etc.

My guess is most promoted managers get sacked pretty quick

Speaking to my Leeds mate last night ( thought I'd be the bigger man and ring him with congratulations )
He reckons farke will be replaced very soon !!! Apparently some of the directors don't fancy him in charge in the premier

 

[Blade56]

Speaking to my Leeds mate last night ( thought I'd be the bigger man and ring him with congratulations )
He reckons farke will be replaced very soon !!! Apparently some of the directors don't fancy him in charge in the premier

Accrington Stanley to that, then we’ll hire him

 

[Badger Blade]

Thought he’s been looking good and healthy since the ozempic kicked in…dunno if there are any side effects such as anger issues???

Got a bit hangry at Plymouth, what with the 12.30 kick off getting right in the way of dinner.

 

[ATL Recs]

I'd be quite happy if our best manager in the past 30 years is still here next season. He's certainly over-performed this season regardless of the outcome of the play-offs,

Time and time again we've got rid of a decent manager in the belief that we can get someone 'better'. Time and time again it's been a step backwards.

Get rid of Porterfield, get Billy McEwan instead. Get rid of Warnock, get Brian Robson in. Sack Danny Wilson, get David Weir in. Get rid of Clough, get Adkins in. Each time we thought things would be better under the new guy. They weren't.

As I've said before, fans today seem to want change if we don't win every game. They come out with personal abuse of decent players and a very good manager. They want a change whenever there's a bad result.

Of course we're a work in progress and mistakes have been made in selection and tactics. But we've out-performed 21 teams in the division this season. And in other seasons our points tally would have given us an automatic place.

I fear for the future of the club if an obviously excellent management team is deemed 'not good enough' for the Blades because we only finish 3rd out of 23 teams in arguably the most competitive division in the world.

He has NOT overperfomed at all he is where ws should.be with the third biggest wave budget if he’d over performed he would be in the top 2

 

[Bradfordblade]

You have to consider the mental scars of last season, the rebuild that had to be done quickly, the uncertainty over ownership until January, the 2 points deduction, the fact that we have broken or equalled club records for home clean sheets on the trot, consecutive away wins and number of games won in the second tier. All this considered you could say we have over performed. We have certainly done much better than I expected. If anyone said we would finish 3rd back in August I would have taken that with surprise and glee. I get the criticisms of Wilder and I have made some myself. Bur he is the best manager we have had for years and it is hard to see who else could have got us off the floor after last season. Some of the negative comments I read on here are unfair and ridiculous when you take a considered view.

 

[54yrblade]

agree. I hate Scott Parkers brand of football. Cheating, falling over, trying to get opponents booked. Negative rear guard defensive football. Totally alien to the United way. Yes, they have achieved promotion, but only because we seemed to run out of steam. Much prefer front foot attacking style football it has its downfalls from time to time, sloppy goals conceded, but far more entertaining. If Burnley continue the same next season, they will be the whipping boys and hopefully VAR will find them out for cheating. How many times yesterday did we see them dive? How many times did they run up to the ref asking for yellows? That is a bookable offence it itself, ask Vini. Poor refereeing imo.

Leeds did it well. We didn't.

 

[john Mathison]

CW needs to forget this 90 points thing. Rest the players he has to, keep Hamer from getting more bookings.

 

[Davalon]

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

This was always going to be the case with Wilder coming back.

The only way to keep the division at bay is through being successful.

Wilder stays, many will be sceptical and frustrated if next season starts a bit like this one ended, irrespective of which league we're in.

New manager comes in and doesn't get off to an absolute flyer, many won't be able to wait to stick the knife in because we got rid of Wilder, he doesn't get the club etc etc.

 

[Badger Blade]

While it's disappointing to have missed out on the top 2, before a ball was kicked, there were plenty of us expecting a Luton-like performance this season after last season's shit show.

Being better than Luton doesn't give anyone a free pass over the last few games but highlights how well we managed to stop the rot. The question and doubt surrounds whether Wilder can build on this or whether this is the ceiling of his and this squad's abilities.

 

[Hollinsend]

I thought the 90 points comment was a bit odd, hopefully it was an after-match spur of the moment thing and that in reality he'll focus on using the next two games to prepare the squad for the playoffs. Which doesn't mean we don't want to win games as it's a good habit and builds confidence, but the points total shouldn't be the focus

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I'd be quite happy if our best manager in the past 30 years is still here next season. He's certainly over-performed this season regardless of the outcome of the play-offs,

Time and time again we've got rid of a decent manager in the belief that we can get someone 'better'. Time and time again it's been a step backwards.

Get rid of Porterfield, get Billy McEwan instead. Get rid of Warnock, get Brian Robson in. Sack Danny Wilson, get David Weir in. Get rid of Clough, get Adkins in. Each time we thought things would be better under the new guy. They weren't.

As I've said before, fans today seem to want change if we don't win every game. They come out with personal abuse of decent players and a very good manager. They want a change whenever there's a bad result.

Of course we're a work in progress and mistakes have been made in selection and tactics. But we've out-performed 21 teams in the division this season. And in other seasons our points tally would have given us an automatic place.

I fear for the future of the club if an obviously excellent management team is deemed 'not good enough' for the Blades because we only finish 3rd out of 23 teams in arguably the most competitive division in the world.

Exactly that. Modern society dictates that if someone fucks up, they get fired/cancelled/burnt at the stake

Wilder has dropped the ball the last few weeks and his reaction doesn't fill me with any confidence.

However, the assumption that getting rid 'solves' the problem is such a modern phenomena. Just look at Man Utd, Spurs for proof that getting rid doesn't solve the problem....

 

[Harry's Game]

If we go up the premier league money should cover the compo required to pay him off after awarding him that ludicrously excessive 3 year deal.

If we don’t that’s a big bite out of the budget for next season.

Rock and a hard place decision coming up.

 

[Dkc]

If we go up the premier league money should cover the compo required to pay him off after awarding him that ludicrously excessive 3 year deal.

If we don’t that’s a big bite out of the budget for next season.

Rock and a hard place decision coming up.

There is no 'decision to be taken'. Wilder has proved his worth as an excellent manager. He got us out of L1 at the first attempt. He then got us out of the Championship in two seasons. He got us challenging for Europe in his first PL season. He couldn't save us from relegation last season (after taking over when we were rock-bottom in December) but he's once again got us to the brink of promotion at the first time of asking.

Apart from the covid season in the PL, Wilder has been an outstanding manager for us. Better than Warnock, and rivaled only by Bassett.

But yeah, let's sack him because 'a decision needs to be taken.'

 

[Harry's Game]

There is no 'decision to be taken'. Wilder has proved his worth as an excellent manager. He got us out of L1 at the first attempt. He then got us out of the Championship in two seasons. He got us challenging for Europe in his first PL season. He couldn't save us from relegation last season (after taking over when we were rock-bottom in December) but he's once again got us to the brink of promotion at the first time of asking.

Apart from the covid season in the PL, Wilder has been an outstanding manager for us. Better than Warnock, and rivaled only by Bassett.

But yeah, let's sack him because 'a decision needs to be taken.'

We are playing tired, turgid, boring football.. once again like with the overlapping CBs, once plan A has been sussed out we have no plan B

Our only plan this season has been “give it to Gus”

Next season when Gus has gone in the summer we will be screwed.

We need a new manager with new tactics and a fresh approach.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

We are playing tired, turgid, boring football.. once again like with the overlapping CBs, once plan A has been sussed out we have no plan B

Our only plan this season has been “give it to Gus”

Next season when Gus has gone in the summer we will be screwed.

We need a new manager with new tactics and a fresh approach.

100% this
Wilder is a busted flush, he has no idea how to get the best from this group continues to play players in there wrong positions.

There is no plan b

Why not play two wingers try and get some crosses into the box create some chances
We create nothing, we get to edge of box shit ourselves and pass backwards.