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WalkelyFan said:
Jacob Mellis went to Chelsea for £1,000,000 and spent a limited career in the lower divisions.
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Though had he gone on to become a star he would have been added to the list of players sold by McCabe for peanuts.
Though it is a very sad story for the lad.


www.dailymail.co.uk

How one Chelsea wonderkid destined for the big stage became homeless

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW BY HARRY SLAVIN: At the peak of his young career, Jacob Mellis was playing in the Champions League and earning £8,000 a week. Today he is homeless.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 

Tom Bott said:
A common anxiety shared by many football fans throughout the country.

It's only a game, and only one team can win.

Personally I think Wilder has made a superb job of assembling a team of mostly new players and getting them to gel in the space of only 2/3 months.
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Well said, Wilder created a sense of unity and common purpose that few if any other club has or had. That group between 2017 and 2020 will be remembered for generations at the club. Hopefully he can recreate that, but whether or not he manages it what a job he has done.
 
WalkelyFan said:
Surely the answer to that is both? We do well with the academy and I am sure it shows a good profit over the past few years. But (looking at Arblaster) he lad seems sensible, a big blades fan and has a long contract. It should therefore take a lot of money to shift him. Clubs with plenty of money can afford to take a chance on players like Oscula. Everton paid £1,000,000 for a raw Calvert-Lewin and most people's reaction was "for that money I'll drive him across the Pennines". Jacob Mellis went to Chelsea for £1,000,000 and spent a limited career in the lower divisions.
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Fair enough.
 
Houston_Blade said:
Both, if you’re offered Osula money for an unproven kid then you sell them, if they’re decent you play them and try to keep them as long as possible. The danger then is making sure they’re always on long enough deals to make it worth our while if someone wants to buy them.
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Thank you.
 
Pintor75 said:
Agree, DCL fee was pocket money for Everton, he hasn't pulled many trees up imo, but so what cost them nothing and might make a profit if he goes, if they'd payed £25m he'd be a flop, I.e. Brewster
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Are you saying DCL hasn’t pulled many trees up?

The lad has gone on to play for England and been Everton top scorer in the PL a few times already.

They’ve had interest in him each of the past few windows and he’ll probably let his contract run down and sign a mega deal with someone like Newcastle.

Unless you meant another player, he’s done very well from being a third tier squad player.
 
JimW1889 said:
Is there anyone else you’d rather have as manager this season?
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If you'd have asked me any time between January and July, I'd have probably reeled off about half a dozen candidates knowing that none of them would've had as impressive a record Wilder has in terms of promotions and win %, such was my desire for a fresh approach. The overhaul, with the takeover uncertainty & points deduction as a backdrop, meant we needed a big reset and I strongly doubted he was up to it.
My feeling was that he was a bust flush after the petulant end to his first tenure and subsequent unspectacular spells at Middlesbrough and Watford. I also felt he landed 'his' job back purely on credit from his 2016-2019 era and that timespan represented his peak and he was now on the decline. I also didn't want to tarnish the good memories I had of what he achieved the first time around.

I couldn't have been more wrong.

The CW/AK 2.0 era has been nothing short of sensational when you consider the size of the job they've undertaken and the instant turnaround in results. During the summer he spoke with passion & positivity about the rebuild task - even O'Hare, Moore, Rak-Sakyi and Burrows all cited the Wilder 'sales pitch' as reasons for joining and refusing other interest.

The signings have been resounding success so far; Burrows, Souttar & Cooper all look destined for top tier football (hopefully with us). The coaching staff have done a superb job introducing Arblaster, Peck, Brooks & Seriki (who was outstanding during preseason imo) into the daunting prospect of playing for a top-end, Championship side and the staff have also lit a fire under Anel & Souza who have been instrumental to the success we've enjoyed so far.

When Wilder returned PA said that Chris Wilder is a better man and manager for his experiences since he left us. I rolled my eyes to it because I thought it was empty words to justify a lazy, managerial appointment. So far, he's been proven right because Wilder looks & sounds a little more balanced but still has that appetite and desire to succeed at United. The Managers job at United is a funny old thing. Very few achieve any remarkable success; only Warnock, Wilder & Heck in my lifetime. It seems to require a certain characteristic and whatever it is, Wilder has it.

From now to January we have a pretty daunting fixture list but right now it's safe to say we wouldn't want anyone other than CW/AK 2.0 leading us into them.
 
Champagneblade said:
Are you saying DCL hasn’t pulled many trees up?

The lad has gone on to play for England and been Everton top scorer in the PL a few times already.

They’ve had interest in him each of the past few windows and he’ll probably let his contract run down and sign a mega deal with someone like Newcastle.

Unless you meant another player, he’s done very well from being a third tier squad player.
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Yes, 56 goals in 9 years isn't world beating, he's a decent player I grant you, but not briliant, just my opinion
 
When we ditched Hecky last season, I was staunchly against bringing Wilder back. Yes he did have an incredible spell in charge of us the first time around, but on recent achievements he was nowhere near as valuable an asset as he was a few years before.

  • Heavily involved in one of our worst performing seasons in history (2020/21)
  • Left the club after being refused more transfer funds, after very poor spending in the previous summer
  • Went to Middlesbrough. Couple of notable cup victories, but sacked without any success in the league
  • Went to Watford. Only short period in charge, but left without making much of an impact

So realistically, not particularly hot property by November/December 2023. I wasn't enthused by any means when I first heard murmurs of him coming back. I was already accepting of the fact we were getting relegated, and felt like it was a perfect time to take advantage of rebuilding the philosophy at the club. We could have brought someone in with new ideas of how to play, who would move us away from the back 3 that had gotten us battered week in, week out. Someone who might breathe life back into the club, and make watching us more pleasing to watch than losing 5-0 to Burnley. And I simply did not see how Wilder could provide us that.

But hire him we did. And while I wasn't one to endorse it, I supported the club regardless. I was one of the lucky ones down at Luton for that 3-1 win (bizarre that that was our last win of the season), but there was not enough good to go with that game to make me change my mind. As we entered the summer after that final defeat to Spurs, my opinion was that Wilder had had his opportunity, and I still could not see the value in having him in charge. That our progression had stalled with our overdependency on playing with 3 CBs, and I did not expect that to change. Even though performances across the past 4 years had been underwhelming while playing that way (2 dismal relegations from the Premier League, 2 seasons in the Championship where we were successful only because of specific individuals (MGW, Ndiaye), rather than because of the tactics we employed).

Two months into the season, and I'm happy to say that I've been proven wrong. Changed away from the stale back 3, a significant rebuild of the squad undertaken, numerous promising young talents brought into the first team, in particular from our own academy (Brooks, Blaster, Peck), and we're on a 6-game streak without conceding a goal.

I'm delighted with our start so far. Were it not for some financial mismanagement, we would outright be top of the Championship right now. We seem to be overcoming the injury woes that have battered us for far too long now, and we are showing signs of some extremely dynamic and exciting football. I've never been more happy to be wrong.
 
Bennyand the Blades said:
I'm a Blade who thinks Wilders the best
and I'll cheer the lads on in their quest,
if we don't get promotion,
I won't show emotion,
I'll just come here and moan with the rest.....:tumbleweed:
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But surely that WOULD show emotion?
It looks like you've caused a commotion.
Now the pedants are here
To find fault and and sneer
And quicken your path to demotion
 
Must admit I'm loving this second coming of the Master, and enjoying the similarities between this and his first coming, and this time in the second tier would you believe
If all go's to plan again we'll win this division by a country mile, mid table Prem next season and then on to glory.

Maybe some will say it's just a dream,

BUT IS IT.....;).
 
Deadly_D'Jaffo said:
If you'd have asked me any time between January and July, I'd have probably reeled off about half a dozen candidates knowing that none of them would've had as impressive a record Wilder has in terms of promotions and win %, such was my desire for a fresh approach. The overhaul, with the takeover uncertainty & points deduction as a backdrop, meant we needed a big reset and I strongly doubted he was up to it.
My feeling was that he was a bust flush after the petulant end to his first tenure and subsequent unspectacular spells at Middlesbrough and Watford. I also felt he landed 'his' job back purely on credit from his 2016-2019 era and that timespan represented his peak and he was now on the decline. I also didn't want to tarnish the good memories I had of what he achieved the first time around.

I couldn't have been more wrong.

The CW/AK 2.0 era has been nothing short of sensational when you consider the size of the job they've undertaken and the instant turnaround in results. During the summer he spoke with passion & positivity about the rebuild task - even O'Hare, Moore, Rak-Sakyi and Burrows all cited the Wilder 'sales pitch' as reasons for joining and refusing other interest.

The signings have been resounding success so far; Burrows, Souttar & Cooper all look destined for top tier football (hopefully with us). The coaching staff have done a superb job introducing Arblaster, Peck, Brooks & Seriki (who was outstanding during preseason imo) into the daunting prospect of playing for a top-end, Championship side and the staff have also lit a fire under Anel & Souza who have been instrumental to the success we've enjoyed so far.

When Wilder returned PA said that Chris Wilder is a better man and manager for his experiences since he left us. I rolled my eyes to it because I thought it was empty words to justify a lazy, managerial appointment. So far, he's been proven right because Wilder looks & sounds a little more balanced but still has that appetite and desire to succeed at United. The Managers job at United is a funny old thing. Very few achieve any remarkable success; only Warnock, Wilder & Heck in my lifetime. It seems to require a certain characteristic and whatever it is, Wilder has it.

From now to January we have a pretty daunting fixture list but right now it's safe to say we wouldn't want anyone other than CW/AK 2.0 leading us into them.
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Bassett too back in the day, but as you quote 'in your lifetime' perhaps you were too young for that journey.

Bear in mind the shit manure serve up for their megafans since Alex quit, and even he was getting sacked in the morning had it not been for that FA cup semi or final?
 
Pintor75 said:
Yes, 56 goals in 9 years isn't world beating, he's a decent player I grant you, but not briliant, just my opinion
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Each to their own of course.

56 goals in 220 PL appearances, so 1 in 4 at PL level plus 15 assists, making it almost a goal contribution every three.

Considering he often plays up on his own and shoulders the attack, he’s the sort of player that United would have thrived on the past few years.

That said, I do acknowledge that his availability has been way short for a team like us to rely upon.

He’ll look back on a decent career. It will be interesting where he is next season.
 
Pintor75 said:
Agree, DCL fee was pocket money for Everton, he hasn't pulled many trees up imo, but so what cost them nothing and might make a profit if he goes, if they'd payed £25m he'd be a flop, I.e. Brewster
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He's played and scored for England, not dropping out of the PL once. That level of striker is worth £25m, he's just also been unfortunate with injuries.

Edit. Didn't see someone got there first, ignore the repetition.
 

With regard to the sale of DCL, without that money it's unlikely we'd have been able to buy O'Connell and Leon Clarke and later Simon Moore.
It was the same when we sold Brooks, with the money we brought in Norwood and Egan.

Sadly, we're not a club that can hang onto all it's young talent AND go out and buy whoever we like. Apart from when we've been promoted to the Premier League and then spent relatively big money, for us, we always spend within the confines of what we have.

I don't have a problem with it, because it's alright having young players for the future, but there's not much point in that when you're struggling in League 1, as we were at the time.

The only exception to that I can think of is when we spent £4m+ on Anel.
 
Hopefully he can make that 6 and then the record will be safe as he'll have retired by the time we're next in the same division.
 
Tom Bott said:
Though had he gone on to become a star he would have been added to the list of players sold by McCabe for peanuts.
Though it is a very sad story for the lad.


www.dailymail.co.uk

How one Chelsea wonderkid destined for the big stage became homeless

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW BY HARRY SLAVIN: At the peak of his young career, Jacob Mellis was playing in the Champions League and earning £8,000 a week. Today he is homeless.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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We didn't sell Jacob Mellis. He was about to sign his first professional contract with us when Chelsea swept in and offered him a better one. The £1.2mil was a compensation fee set by a tribunal as he came from our academy.
 

UTB Blade said:
Been sitting a few feet away from CW in the hotel for the last half hour or so. 😍

Good news: he seems in exceptionally good spirits. 😃

Bad news: he hasn't sung about sausage rolls once! 😕
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Who's he with 👀
 
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