Wilder Walks after reading He Has To Go thread.

[robbiez666]

A serious question: He's had a fair few new contracts since joining us. He must be on a fair whack now. I wonder if that would play any part if we went down?

 

[alcoblade]

Disagree. Call me unreasonable if you want. Contracts are rewarded for success. It's not a success to be relegated from the premier League. Especially when given a fuck tonne of coin in which to cement your place there. Don't want to hear any of this "it's not big in the grand scheme of things" he spent 40 plus million on two strikers, one of which couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, the other who's had less of an impact than Casper the ghost would.

But the reality is it really isn’t “big in the grand scheme of things”.

I accept that Wilder’s “big money” signings haven’t looked value form money - certainly not as yet.

But if we are to unemotionally appraise Wilder, not considering that we were outbid for our targets by all our realistic competition would be plain daft.

I thought we needed a change when we got rid of Warnock under similar circumstances, and was proved spectacularly wrong.

I’d definitely keep Wilder if we were relegated

 

[alcoblade]

Why the fuck would anyone want him as manager next season if he gets us relegated from the PL this season?

What’s he gonna do? Get us promoted back to the PL and then relegate us again the following season. We don’t want to be a Yo-yo club like Norwich, WBA, Swansea and Reading.

His spending record in the PL has been awful, we literally look shit at the moment and I doubt he’ll turn it round.

If we go down this season, has to be the end for him or were showing him too much respect.

The club comes first, not sentiment for CW and what he’s achieved in the past. Everyone was soon to slam Mark Duffy and Lundstram, CW needs to start taking
stick now, he’s the only one to blame for the shit situation we’re currently in.

I’m surprised you aren’t banned for personal abuse.

Anyhow, when are you appointing Pulis?

 

[alcoblade]

Wouldn't say he is the only one to blame.

So we sack if we go down, who do we get?

Don’t feed the troll.

 

[YES Blade]

But the reality is it really isn’t “big in the grand scheme of things”.

I accept that Wilder’s “big money” signings haven’t looked value form money - certainly not as yet.

But if we are to unemotionally appraise Wilder, not considering that we were outbid for our targets by all our realistic competition would be plain daft.

I thought we needed a change when we got rid of Warnock under similar circumstances, and was proved spectacularly wrong.

I’d definitely keep Wilder if we were relegated

That’s only because McCabe decided to employ Bryan Robson as manager! No one thought that was a good choice even before a ball was kicked. Blackwell looked half decent compared to Robson for god sake.

It was time for Warnock to move on, that was a good decision for both parties.

 

[BladesOnToast]

he spent 40 plus million on two strikers, one of which couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, the other who's had less of an impact than Casper the ghost would.

Hope you didn't judge, say, John Egan after he'd played 3 games for us.

 

[alcoblade]

That’s only because McCabe decided to employ Bryan Robson as manager! No one thought that was a good choice even before a ball was kicked. Blackwell looked half decent compared to Robson for god sake.

It was time for Warnock to move on, that was a good decision for both parties.

It didn’t seem to prove so well for us, even after Robson. And Warnock continued to do what he does, exceed just about everywhere he went.

 

[Sheff de party]

Disagree. Call me unreasonable if you want. Contracts are rewarded for success. It's not a success to be relegated from the premier League. Especially when given a fuck tonne of coin in which to cement your place there. Don't want to hear any of this "it's not big in the grand scheme of things" he spent 40 plus million on two strikers, one of which couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, the other who's had less of an impact than Casper the ghost would.

You’re unreasonable.

 

[Sheff de party]

There is a difference between giving Wilder a chance in the Championship and giving him a new contract when he’s already got another 3 years after this season.

You give out contracts to reward success and protect your biggest assets. If we go down Wilder ain’t going to be getting a better offer than United, so why would we even consider extending past his current 2024 deal?

If we go down and Wilder leaves, I bet you £10 he gets a better offer than us and I’ll give you 4/1.

 

[8lade]

Is it lock-down that's doing this to people?
Have we been infiltrated by the neighbours or just insane blades?
Absolutely nuts to be going off like this. Absolutely.

 

[8lade]

On a slight tangent...

I accept that Wilder’s “big money” signings haven’t looked value form money - certainly not as yet.

I disagree with this to a degree:
Berge: really growing into the Premier league.
McBurnie: played his part last season £20m is the going rate for a top Championship striker.
Brewster: way too early to tell.
Mousset: played his part last year, good value hope he comes back just as good.
Ramsdale: looks ok in most games, again it's the price you pay. (Repeat) A good keeper makes it look easy hence why he's only saved a couple which looked great.
Robinson, Freeman - I'll let you have these two!

What's ironic is I'm defending these players as being good buys, 2 of whom I think should definitely be dropped to the bench, it's the difference between 'not being good enough' and 'not being ready'.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Disagree. Call me unreasonable if you want. Contracts are rewarded for success. It's not a success to be relegated from the premier League. Especially when given a fuck tonne of coin in which to cement your place there. Don't want to hear any of this "it's not big in the grand scheme of things" he spent 40 plus million on two strikers, one of which couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, the other who's had less of an impact than Casper the ghost would.

I like a mixed metaphor as much as the next man , me , but it’s time this one was cleared up .

There are different expressions to describe someone who is useless at hitting a target , one of them being -

“ He couldn’t hit a barn door from ten paces “ and another , “ He couldn’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo “ ( a favourite of a certain David Basset ).

Glad to be of help .

 

[YES Blade]

If we go down and Wilder leaves, I bet you £10 he gets a better offer than us and I’ll give you 4/1.

So a Premier League club will come in for him after he’s just got us relegated? No chance

 

[ComedyClub]

I like a mixed metaphor as much as the next man , me , but it’s time this one was cleared up .

There are different expressions to describe someone who is useless at hitting a target , one of them being -

“ He couldn’t hit a barn door from ten paces “ and another , “ He couldn’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo “ ( a favourite of a certain David Basset ).

Glad to be of help .

Take your pick. Either one works, thought of another one. "He's as useful as a holepunched condom"

 

[8lade]

Worth it's own thread! I remember my boss describing the guys who worked in the adjacent bay to ours as:
'A shower of turds.'

 

[LudlamBlade]

DON'T PANIC!

The saviour is available! Who needs Wilder?! This guy is the answer

 

[alcoblade]

On a slight tangent...

I disagree with this to a degree:
Berge: really growing into the Premier league.
McBurnie: played his part last season £20m is the going rate for a top Championship striker.
Brewster: way too early to tell.
Mousset: played his part last year, good value hope he comes back just as good.
Ramsdale: looks ok in most games, again it's the price you pay. (Repeat) A good keeper makes it look easy hence why he's only saved a couple which looked great.
Robinson, Freeman - I'll let you have these two!

What's ironic is I'm defending these players as being good buys, 2 of whom I think should definitely be dropped to the bench, it's the difference between 'not being good enough' and 'not being ready'.

Fair points, not sure exactly where I sit on them either.

However, if our keeper and top striker are classed as "not being ready", then Wilder has fucked up there. We really couldn't afford big money signings who we shouldn't expect to deliver today.

 

[Kev Gee]

I think it's also fair to say that quite a few of our original CW players are starting to look abit ragged.

Stevens - looks knackered

Baldock - gets in good positions but delivery (or lack of) lets him down.

Egan - isn't the rock that he was. (Although the loss of JOC is a big reason for this) also seems more nervous since his red card. Will come good if JOC returns.

Lundstram - gets in good positions but his finishing has let him down on 3 decent occasions. Also Loses possession cheaply. Shows how light we are in midfield that we are still relying on a contract rebel and a player that doesnt want to be at the club by the looks of things.

Norwood - lost his place recently. Easily gets overrun in midfield.

OMB - Can't buy a goal

McG - At least has scored. Should we be giving out contracts at this stage of his career? Should we be relying on him to provide the link?

It probably sounds like I'm having a go at the players. I'm not though, I think we are just desperate for a win. "If" we get a win on Saturday it will do wonders for out confidence.

 

[steve26272]

Fair points, not sure exactly where I sit on them either.

However, if our keeper and top striker are classed as "not being ready", then Wilder has fucked up there. We really couldn't afford big money signings who we shouldn't expect to deliver today.

This is the point, manure can afford to sweep up £20m kids, loan em out and accept an attrition rate
We can take in a freebie or £1-2m maybe as as future gamble
What we can’t do is spend (in our book) top dollar on this
We could have spent the same £20m on Martinez from Arsenal
We could have brought in cheap but tested option like Krull or Foster
Now I know the sell on value, potential etc but, was our recruitment meeting like
“Right, 3 keepers relegated, one free, one mil maybe, one 20mil. 2 have many years prem experience, one doesn’t “
What about Forster from Southampton?
Could we have asked ManU about Romero?

This is not a post slagging off Ramsdale btw, that’s on a different thread I’m sure!

This is about questioning whether when we lined up 10 keepers in the summer, did we make the right choice?

Can’t see many of the above been on more than £60k, which if we are paying Ramsdale £30k is about £1.5m a year more, small change on the back of a £100m season

 

[Swinton Blade]

We could have spent the same £20m on Martinez from Arsenal

Martinez isn't a tried and tested goalkeeper tbh, Ramsdale played more premier league games than him.

 

[steve26272]

Martinez isn't a tried and tested goalkeeper tbh, Ramsdale played more premier league games than him.

Agree, but one was in goal as arsenal win the FA cup and charity shield, the other relegated.
At 27 he is also the right age, having made the mistakes

Not denying that hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he has looked stronger of the 2 so far this season

We know confidence is key to a GK, and Ramsdale seems to be just a yard off the pace, he was visibly upset at relegation, given the potential for 2nd season syndrome, and our form in the last few games of last season, breaking the hangover Ramsdale has seems to be something that we still need to sort

 

[Swinton Blade]

Agree, but one was in goal as arsenal win the FA cup and charity shield, the other relegated.
At 27 he is also the right age, having made the mistakes

Not denying that hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he has looked stronger of the 2 so far this season

We know confidence is key to a GK, and Ramsdale seems to be just a yard off the pace, he was visibly upset at relegation, given the potential for 2nd season syndrome, and our form in the last few games of last season, breaking the hangover Ramsdale has seems to be something that we still need to sort

Hindsight is a wonderful thing with most signing tbh and totally agree with you about Martinez, he is looking the better of the two.

Hopefully Ramsdale starts to up his performances abit and prove his price tag, although that can be said about a few players.

 

[steve26272]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing with most signing tbh and totally agree with you about Martinez, he is looking the better of the two.

Hopefully Ramsdale starts to up his performances abit and prove his price tag, although that can be said about a few players.

100%

Its frustrating, as it seems like players we are linked with but don’t get are flying, Maupay last year, Martinez, Eze, Watkins.

Whilst the ones we do get struggle
Not sure who they were but any teams in for McB, Ramsdale, etc must be left feeling like they dodged a bullet

Still, could be worse......

 

[Dark muffy]

Why the fuck would anyone want him as manager next season if he gets us relegated from the PL this season?

What’s he gonna do? Get us promoted back to the PL and then relegate us again the following season. We don’t want to be a Yo-yo club like Norwich, WBA, Swansea and Reading.

His spending record in the PL has been awful, we literally look shit at the moment and I doubt he’ll turn it round.

If we go down this season, has to be the end for him or were showing him too much respect.

The club comes first, not sentiment for CW and what he’s achieved in the past. Everyone was soon to slam Mark Duffy and Lundstram, CW needs to start taking
stick now, he’s the only one to blame for the shit situation we’re currently in.

Why would you sack someone who is a very good manager and prooved this throughout his career who also has a very good backroom staff and then replace him with somebody shitter with shitter backroom staff....which is what would happen. Has Wilder become shit in the last 5 months? Does everything he's learned in his career as a manager no longer work? Do you want a manager and team who wins every match they play? (Which by the way up until March wilder had had probably the highest win rate as a manager at United I've ever seen)

 

[Bearlie]

I do have to wonder if we’d be seeing posts like this if Wilder was from say London and grew up supporting a London club.

At risk of sounding like Pinchy, things are getting very Bladey Bladeness.

Difficult to say ,however you have to admit it gives you a sense of enormous well being having a local boy former player and Blade in charge of our club.
On top of that he's given us 3/4 wonderful years
Given us an enormous sense of pride back in our club.
It hasn't felt this good being a Blade in over 40 years ..ok were in a bit of a tight spot at the moment ......However put it into perspective .
We are in the Premier league, when wilder walked through the door 4 years ago if you had told me what the next 4 years had in store I'd have carted you off to the nut House .
If we go down we go down with wilder, and we come back up with wilder
Tbf I'm not really bothered if we go down ,we will lose the 3/4 thousand glory/fairweather fans ,and the championship is a great league .And we can all watch our chrissy supping a bottle of peroni on balcony of town Hall
Keep the faith lads we will be ok

 

[petcharlie]

Why the fuck would anyone want him as manager next season if he gets us relegated from the PL this season?

What’s he gonna do? Get us promoted back to the PL and then relegate us again the following season. We don’t want to be a Yo-yo club like Norwich, WBA, Swansea and Reading.

His spending record in the PL has been awful, we literally look shit at the moment and I doubt he’ll turn it round.

If we go down this season, has to be the end for him or were showing him too much respect.

The club comes first, not sentiment for CW and what he’s achieved in the past. Everyone was soon to slam Mark Duffy and Lundstram, CW needs to start taking
stick now, he’s the only one to blame for the shit situation we’re currently in.

Good God what short memories some have on here.If it was not for him we would still be in div 1.He is with out any doubt the best manager we have ever had and I have been watching them from the mid sixties.Ok he has had some failures in the transfer market but do not forget he has never got is number one targets like Maupau or Watkins mainly because of the wages structure we have.We get trumped regular by other clubs who pay good money.Also hands up all those who have not ever dropped a bollock now and again .the last guy who was perfect they crucified him.Would love to know who these guys who want our best manager ever sacked what or who they think would do a better job?My God i know another club not to far away from here who are green with envy when they look at our manager .He wants our support rather than supporters piling pressure on him .get on with Chris you still have the SILENT majority behind you mate.

 

[YES Blade]

Difficult to say ,however you have to admit it gives you a sense of enormous well being having a local boy former player and Blade in charge of our club.
On top of that he's given us 3/4 wonderful years
Given us an enormous sense of pride back in our club.
It hasn't felt this good being a Blade in over 40 years ..ok were in a bit of a tight spot at the moment ......However put it into perspective .
We are in the Premier league, when wilder walked through the door 4 years ago if you had told me what the next 4 years had in store I'd have carted you off to the nut House .
If we go down we go down with wilder, and we come back up with wilder
Tbf I'm not really bothered if we go down ,we will lose the 3/4 thousand glory/fairweather fans ,and the championship is a great league .And we can all watch our chrissy supping a bottle of peroni on balcony of town Hall
Keep the faith lads we will be ok

It’s nice having a Blade in charge but the success of the club is far more important that where the manager was born, grew up and which club he supports.

If the choice is stick with Wilder and go down or we get a new manager we’re guaranteed to stay up then I will 100% choose a new manager.

The problem is there are no guarantees in football and a new manager could just as easily take us down. It’s up to the Prince and the board to decide what gives us the best chance of survival.

 

[Bladesman]

I'd like to see Wilder this season replaced with Wilder from when he first took over the club. I don't recognise the current Chris Wilder.

 

[Flakey]

Disagree. Call me unreasonable if you want. Contracts are rewarded for success. It's not a success to be relegated from the premier League. Especially when given a fuck tonne of coin in which to cement your place there. Don't want to hear any of this "it's not big in the grand scheme of things" he spent 40 plus million on two strikers, one of which couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, the other who's had less of an impact than Casper the ghost would.

Let us get this into context, Man City have spent over £200 million this year. If we spent that amount of money, then you have a right to complain. If not then shut the F**K up.

 

[ComedyClub]

Let us get this into context, Man City have spent over £200 million this year. If we spent that amount of money, then you have a right to complain. If not then shut the F**K up.

Ahh reyt I see. So cause we haven't spent as much as the top clubs I can't have an opinion.. shut the fuck up you absolute cockwomble.