Wilder quote in today's star

[Pinchy]

I say this with the greatest of respect fella, but your appraisal of what's needed to get out of this division was shot to pieces years ago, and continually shot to pieces every year since.

I'm amazed you aren't prepared to move your stance, even slightly, given what's transpired since the club started following the path you argue for.

UTB

Don't agree, mate. I've asked recent league one teams Norwich, Southampton and Bournemouth and they don't, either. They say proper football has done them no harm at all.

 

[Kev Gee]

A midfielder that cant run, tackle or score goals.... Thats coutts.

 

[zablade]

He lost two yards of pace since his Preston / early Derby days neshes challenges (possibly understandably) and can't seem to last 90 minutes.

Why is it understandable he neshes challenges? If he is worried about getting hurt he's in the wrong game, it's a contact sport. Let him take up netball or something.

 

[zablade]

Don't agree, mate. I've asked recent league one teams Norwich, Southampton and Bournemouth and they don't, either. They say proper football has done them no harm at all.

Bournemouth played quite a bit of direct football when I saw them in this league.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I don't agree with Woody on this one. I think he has done (not often enough, I accept) some good stuff in the final third. If (much) fitter doubtless the glimpses of something special (by Div. 3 standards) would appear more often. I don't accept he's slow either. Again, in glimpses, we've seen reasonable pace. Sorry to return to one of my usuals, but he's quicker, stronger and passes better than Louis Reed.

Louis Reed is 19 this month Pinchy, give the lad a break; comparing him to a senior player lacks relevance.

If Reed achieves as little as Coutts in his career then it will be a missed opportunity. Coutts has of course been affected by injuries but is in no-mans-land at 27 years old; I hope Reed does better than that.

 

[blade too long]

Reed looked good under clough
not so good under adkins
thanks Adkins

might start to shine again under Wilder

 

[Harry's Game]

Why is it understandable he neshes challenges? If he is worried about getting hurt he's in the wrong game, it's a contact sport. Let him take up netball or something.

What I am saying is the injury stopped him being the young barnstorming midfielder he looked like he was going to be when he came on the scene at Preston.

 

[Darthblade]

If we get £300K for Coutts, I'll build you a clock

If we get £300,000 for Coutts ....... I'll stop thinking terrible thoughts about our negotiating team !!

UTB & FTP

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Don't agree, mate. I've asked recent league one teams Norwich, Southampton and Bournemouth and they don't, either. They say proper football has done them no harm at all.

Proper football is the wrong phrase to use IMO. What we had in the mid 60 / 70s which our S6 neighbours also had was a identity on how we played football . Supporters and club were in harmony and appreciated football Ie the Everton way .

What we are getting back to and with the clubs you mention , here and now is the place to start with vision , values , and culture . That's what made Norwich , Southampton , Bournemouth successful with a planned progression.

Norwich , Southampton and Bournemouth strengths is to have tactical options and improve on the situation presented by the opposition . The problem we have had with certain managers is we have become one dimensional , whether it's Bassett , Warnock , Blackwell , Clough , Adkins to name a few .

Wilder will change this not with proper football but with adaptable football . Follow the 3no teams you mention and promotion never mind the academy will be the pathway to success.

Bit of Les Reed thinking and hopefully Wilder will take it on board as he did a stint at Southampton.

Sorry if its bored every fucker senseless.

UTB

 

[robbiez666]

Proper football is the wrong phrase to use IMO. What we had in the mid 60 / 70s which our S6 neighbours also had was a identity on how we played football . Supporters and club were in harmony and appreciated football Ie the Everton way .

What we are getting back to and with the clubs you mention , here and now is the place to start with vision , values , and culture . That's what made Norwich , Southampton , Bournemouth successful with a planned progression.

Norwich , Southampton and Bournemouth strengths is to have tactical options and improve on the situation presented by the opposition . The problem we have had with certain managers is we have become one dimensional , whether it's Bassett , Warnock , Blackwell , Clough , Adkins to name a few .

Wilder will change this not with proper football but with adaptable football . Follow the 3no teams you mention and promotion never mind the academy will be the pathway to success.

Bit of Les Reed thinking and hopefully Wilder will take it on board as he did a stint at Southampton.

Sorry if its bored every fucker senseless.

UTB

Personally, I think we need to work out a shape, formation and way of playing and then bring in players to suit it. What Southampton do so well is that they have all their reams playing the same way, and if someone leaves or is out injured, they can just slot someone else in. It requires time and long-term planning, bringing youth players through who are already comfortable playing that way. Then you buy in new players to fit into the system.

 

[Stretch]

The point I was making is that I'm under the impression we need at least 6 players in addition to what we have..if 3 go out and 3 come in I'm assuming we still need 6
I would love woolford and coutts to be 2 that are leaving,if wilder sorts that then he is a genius..
I'm beginning to see why CW has aged 10 years in the short time he has been here..I wish him well

I don't think CW looks like he has aged at all. He just looks focussed and determined, as he did on day 1.

 

[DIRTY HARRY]

If Che and DCL are gone it will be like selling our future, again.

Anyone who thinks any money gained from selling these two young lads on the cheap will go back into the squad.need to take a long hard fuckin look in the mirror.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Personally, I think we need to work out a shape, formation and way of playing and then bring in players to suit it. What Southampton do so well is that they have all their reams playing the same way, and if someone leaves or is out injured, they can just slot someone else in. It requires time and long-term planning, bringing youth players through who are already comfortable playing that way. Then you buy in new players to fit into the system.

Robbie , agree . That is one of the most fundamental requirements of the academy and first team . I think the coaching staff at all levels are now singing out of the same hymn sheet on this one.

Something the 3no teams mentioned by Pinchy have got off to a tee .

Players and managers fit round the system . The biggest criteria for Southampton when choosing there new French manager . We in the past have just been had hoc with both player and managerial recruitment.

Wilder breaks the mould for me , that's why I have no issues on the players signed or not signed .

UTB

 

[robbiez666]

Robbie , agree . That is one of the most fundamental requirements of the academy and first team . I think the coaching staff at all levels are now singing out of the same hymn sheet on this one.

Something the 3no teams mentioned by Pinchy have got off to a tee .

Players and managers fit round the system . The biggest criteria for Southampton when choosing there new French manager . We in the past have just been had hoc with both player and managerial recruitment.

Wilder breaks the mould for me , that's why I have no issues on the players signed or not signed .

UTB

At some stage we're going to have to just write off a season or two, plan and build. We appear to be in the worst financial position we have been in a long time.

We need to gradually build, in the same way Southampton did, investing in youth development and funding through selling (I know, but what option do we have?)

I'm afraid, I can't see this happening under the current ownership. They need to be honest for once and tell us we're utterly skint and need to basically live like a League 1 team for the first time. If they'd have come out at the start of the season and said this, there's much more chance we'd be more patient. I want to go up but I'll happily wait if I could see some form of long-term plan in place.

 

[alcoblade]

Coutts needs the whole team to play to suit his role. If we do that then there's a player there. Somehow I don't think a pedestrian, immobile slow, give-and-go player who never gets into the final third of the pitch will be in Wilder's vision. There is a player there, more for La Liga than EFL.1 though!!

Don't agree, mate. I've asked recent league one teams Norwich, Southampton and Bournemouth and they don't, either. They say proper football has done them no harm at all.

Ask them if they want Paul Coutts. I, for one, am 100 percent sure of the answer.

UTB

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

At some stage we're going to have to just write off a season or two, plan and build. We appear to be in the worst financial position we have been in a long time.

We need to gradually build, in the same way Southampton did, investing in youth development and funding through selling (I know, but what option do we have?)

I'm afraid, I can't see this happening under the current ownership. They need to be honest for once and tell us we're utterly skint and need to basically live like a League 1 team for the first time. If they'd have come out at the start of the season and said this, there's much more chance we'd be more patient. I want to go up but I'll happily wait if I could see some form of long-term plan in place.

Robbie , take it from me it will happen under the current ownership who are going nowhere , the McCabes are too entrenched in the club both personally being Blades and financially .

I know we can all say a leopard never changes his spots , but the family have been told some home truths about the past and perhaps Wilder is the only bloke who could do it without getting the sack .

Ok he has a lot to prove and a difficult job on his hands , but the good starter for ten is that the McCabes and Wilder have great respect for each other , and are saying it how it is .

I don't think we will have to put a season aside for progression as it is happening now.

No idea what Prince thinks but must have the same mindset.

Source - Mr McCabe.

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

Reed looked good under clough
not so good under adkins
thanks Adkins

might start to shine again under Wilder

Not true. He's looked rubbish under both. I think the suspicions were more confirmed under Adkins, but strip away the odd good game under Clough overlaid on the usual unearned hype many have for young prospects, and that's your lot.

At 19, there's still time. But as with DCL, it's entirely up to them to prove any worth. It's not obvious so far.

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

I don't think we will have to put a season aside for progression as it is happening now.

No idea what Prince thinks but must have the same mindset.

Source - Mr McCabe.

UTB

as long as we're agreed "happening now" means out muscling Rochdale for Oldham players.

UTB

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It feels a bit like selling the crown cutlery again, though. We need to build a squad that is prepared to put all on the line for United, get promoted and stay there. Selling the better youngsters does not allow us to build for the future and, therefore, we will have to buy should/when we get promoted.

We all know how succesful we are at buying, don't we? We also know how much money we have available. No pot and urine spring to mind.

I've no idea if DCL will be the next Walker but if all we do is sell the fuckers when they graduate why have the academy?

Spend the money we waste on it on transfer fees instead and dump all the staff putting their money into the first team budget.

 

[robbiez666]

I've no idea if DCL will be the next Walker but if all we do is sell the fuckers when they graduate why have the academy?

Spend the money we waste on it on transfer fees instead and dump all the staff putting their money into the first team budget.

The Academy is funding our transfers.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The Academy is funding our transfers.

How come?

 

[Eskimo]

Provided it is put back in the club for transfers... We've been saying that for years m8

And it has been of course. And it's been wasted. It's not the availability of money for transfers that has been the problem . It's the way it has been spent

 

[robbiez666]

How come?

Using the income generated from player sales?

 

[Revolution]

"We"?

Speak for yourself mate, not the rest of us. I happen to think he's shown some qualities that indicate he could have a future, however I can't be confident either way as I haven't seen enough of him play: I suspect you haven't either.

Perhaps your critical analysis is worth more than that of an Everton scout?

It's small sample size, but I don't see it, sorry.

I'm sure an Everton scout's opinion is worth more than mine. Mind you, I would have assumed a Sheffield United scout's opinion would be worth more than mine, but I wouldn't have signed Coutts, and they did, so perhaps it's not that clear cut some times.

 

[Revolution]

I don't agree with Woody on this one. I think he has done (not often enough, I accept) some good stuff in the final third. If (much) fitter doubtless the glimpses of something special (by Div. 3 standards) would appear more often. I don't accept he's slow either. Again, in glimpses, we've seen reasonable pace. Sorry to return to one of my usuals, but he's quicker, stronger and passes better than Louis Reed.

That's like being the tallest dwarf. They've played 100 + league games between them for us, and have about 4 assists and zero goals.

 

[Bladesway]

I dont mind who goes as long as who comes in is adequate , and does a job the WHOLE of last seasons squad failed miserably at
Will keeping Adams , be better than letting him go and getting in a Gary Madine for arguments sake , someone whos got a team up
Theres no one comes ahead of the clubs aim , to find 17 players that will get us up, if it means changing everyone , so be it

I am enthused about next season
anyone who thinks we are heading in wrong direction in July are in need of councelling

I assume we did a shrewd move getting Chris , who is focused and dedicated as opposed to that spent empty shell we had last season

Thank god the old BTL is back. I was fearing Peteblade had broken you. Bit like welcoming back an old pair of slippers. Comfortable and you know exactly what you are getting

 

[Blade58]

Wilson and Wilders latest comments in today's Star and I like what I read (although I am easily pleased)

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...d-why-hungry-wilson-won-over-wilder-1-7998960

 

[Revolution]

Don't agree, mate. I've asked recent league one teams Norwich, Southampton and Bournemouth and they don't, either. They say proper football has done them no harm at all.

Neither has money, or not selling their best players at an undervalue.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Using the income generated from player sales?

That just covers the costs of running the damn thing.

How much of the Kyle's and Maguire money was splashed?

Those costs could be used for transfers seasons before the players mature enough to be sold.

 

[blade too long]

How much of the Maguire money was splashed?
.

done and brayford