Wilder OUT

[Millhousesblade1889]

Have you been in a coma for the past three years?

The first season he took over from Hecky halfway through, so it was always going to be a bit chaotic. In the second season, I genuinely didn’t think fitness was the issue; tactically is where I thought we fell short. Even then, we still managed to see out a lot of tight games.

Last season was a complete mess, and Wilder himself commented on the condition the players were in when he arrived. They did improve marginally, but the starting point was miles off where it should’ve been.

 

[Vass Borbokis]

No, it was James Bord (engaged by the owners) that caused the club big problems.
Hoevering up all those star players (and manager).

Most of those 'stars' are still here on long contracts, that we are struggling to give away.

Did Birmingham's £15/20 million pound striker Jay Stansfield set the Lane alight yesterday?

You do realise, the 'stars' you are referring to, were brought in by the same recruitment team that Wilder put in place?
His mates Jamie Hoyland and Mike Allen?
They were here before Selles, during Selles and remain here, despite being absolutely fucking dreadful.

Selles didn't have the luxury of bringing in his own recruitment team, he was barely allowed any coaches.
Selles wasn't allowed to sign players he wanted, he vented that frustration publicly, which lead to a mass panic hoovering up all the shit up at the end of the window.
By the way, I'm not saying we should have stuck with Selles, he was out of his depth. But the bloke never had a fucking chance.
Wilder, after being relieved, was still meeting with the players for pints, while Selles was still at the club ffs

The 'AI' signings gets banded about a bit, that's a different matter (Ukaki, Nwachuku etc) but they weren't even AI signings. They were literally a scam from Bord. Over inflated transfer fees for Nigerian players trafficked through Russia, then Bulgaria, from a club that Bord just so happened to be associated with.

 

[Tarqs]

I get your point and the sarcasm over my comment, but the only season I felt we could judge him fairly on was 24/25 (the one he had a pre-season), and fitness never struck me as the issue. Tactically, I thought that’s where things went wrong.

Tactically, I don’t think Wilder is a top‑level manager, but the whole point of this thread is about replacing him with someone who can get more out of this squad. I just don’t see many managers who would genuinely do a better job with what we’ve got.

Could well be tactics, but I think it was still down to our own fitness problems. We barely scored any goals post 60 mins the whole season. We threw a lot of points away last 30 mins. It was always, backs to the wall, cling on to the 3 points.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Could well be tactics, but I think it was still down to our own fitness problems. We barely scored any goals post 60 mins the whole season. We threw a lot of points away last 30 mins. It was always, backs to the wall, cling on to the 3 points.

All fair points, playing devil's advocate, the amount of 1-0's we held on to in the 24-25 season, you could say, was due to conditioning to see a game out?

 

[Tarqs]

All fair points, playing devil's advocate, the amount of 1-0's we held on to in the 24-25 season, you could say, was due to conditioning to see a game out?

But it wasn't, we were fucked and sat on edge of our box regularly. That's not conditioning.

 

[blade too long]

We're an average Championship team.

We'll win a few, draw a few and lose a few.

Not sure what some people were expecting yesterday.

hes aware we need a few more players , Wilders bargaining chips are just that though, a bag of chips

a greassy chip butty , if someone puts in funds to buy the bread cakes

 

[Nedski]

In regards to fitness I think there's a few things at play here:

1. Natural athletes. We have very few athletic players. All the top teams have strong, quick players littered throughout the squad. Seriki is the only natural athletes that comes to mind - I expect we have the slowest squad overall. Wilder has a preference for scrawny kids who lack pace - Peck, Burrows, Cannon, O'Hare, Bamford.
2. Lack of discipline. When you have a key player in Peck being arrested for drink driving shortly before the season starts, you have a problem. Elite athletes don't touch alcohol, but when your manager is well known for being a regular down the local pub, and talking about his 15 gins at awards ceremonies, you're going to have a problem.
3. Tactics. Or the lack of. We sit deep, we spend a lot of time hitting it to the channels, and basically giving the opposition the ball. We then spend large portions of the game chasing the ball due to lack of shape which is obviously going to tire them out. I imagine we do a lot more running per game than other teams and this isn't because we're super fit it's because we're constantly chasing the ball after giving it back to the opposition.

 

[sitwell]

Could well be tactics, but I think it was still down to our own fitness problems. We barely scored any goals post 60 mins the whole season. We threw a lot of points away last 30 mins. It was always, backs to the wall, cling on to the 3 points.

And yet last game of the season with nothing to play for we came from 1-0 down to beat a play of chasing Derby on their own ground. No doubt you will fathom an excuse.

 

[metalblade]

And yet last game of the season with nothing to play for we came from 1-0 down to beat a play of chasing Derby on their own ground. No doubt you will fathom an excuse.

We threw 28 points away late in games last season but of course you focus on the one game we didn't

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

And yet last game of the season with nothing to play for we came from 1-0 down to beat a play of chasing Derby on their own ground. No doubt you will fathom an excuse.

Shame about the other 22 games we lost, eh?

 

[Maidenhead]

I thought it was only PorkTalk where delusional idiots held sway. Football in England is always about money in the boardroom, at the moment we aren’t in the top 25, maybe not top 30. The only reason we’ve been punching is because of what Wilder achieved and the money that came from that and the culture he has put in the club. There seem a lot of people on this forum who don’t seem to understand that Sheffield United has always been about graft.

Actually the only reason "we've been punching " is because of what Heckingbottom achieved.

Without his promotion we'd be in a far worse state than we are now.

 

[Tarqs]

And yet last game of the season with nothing to play for we came from 1-0 down to beat a play of chasing Derby on their own ground. No doubt you will fathom an excuse.

You mean when our season was already over?

It's the outlier, you know it, but for some reason chose to take the 5% for some reason.

 

[sportsmanblade]

Wilder out after 1 game lol wow some of our fanbase are shameful. there isnt anyone out there who can get the best out of our team in this division come back to this thread at christmas were the results will speak for themselves this teams practically the 92 point season team once it gets clinical i would argue its stronger once we get wingers who wanna take players on

i do believe the slight adjustment i would make is to switch the wingers more and have the full backs underlap so it creates spaces for the cross and adds a player into the front post

 

[pollster]

SHEFFIELD UNITED HAVE SACKED CHRIS WILDER AFTER DRAWING AT HOME TO BIRMINGHAM

In a statement the owners have said “we have given Chris no money to sign any players & we’ve sold our two most creative players, however, we expect to win every game regardless”

And yet we are not interested in selling Cannon for £7 million as he is the future (******* GRIM some of us would say)
Signed 3 more 30+ year olds on big wages
Have bid for an Argentine defender
and bid £8 million plus for Soutarr to play out of position at left centre back not right.
Selective memory syndrome?
Or professional activist?
I could point out the obvious yet again
That Hamer and Brooks were two of the best attacking players in the division
SHOULD have got us to the playoffs last season
but were BOTH PLAYED OUT OF POSITION
reducing their efficacy, TRANSFER VALUE and the team outcomes hence our mediocrity.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

come back to this thread at christmas were the results will speak for themselves this teams practically the 92 point season team once it gets clinical i would argue its stronger once we get wingers who wanna take players on

Sorry, you think this current team is better than the one that had Ahmedhodzic, Souttar, Hamer, Souza, Brereton Diaz, Rak-Sakyi, Brooks, Choudhury and Moore?

Have you been drinking methanol?

 

[Maidenhead]

My position is that I didn't want Wilder back second time, and definitely didn't want him back for a third spell.

However we are where we are, and now is not the time to be changing managers.

Unless we are in relegation trouble at any stage of the season we should stick with Wilder until at least next March/April time when hopefully we be planning for season 27/28.

At that time we should be looking at both the management structure and the playing structure for the following season based on where we are.

I think stability is often underrated and we have made the decisions for this season so as I said we are where we are.

I wouldn't have appointed Wilder but with his past record to sack him after a few games would be ridiculous.

 

[sitwell]

You mean when our season was already over?

It's the outlier, you know it, but for some reason chose to take the 5% for some reason.

And there it is alongside the other perpetual negative miseries.

 

[sportsmanblade]

Sorry, you think this current team is better than the one that had Ahmedhodzic, Souttar, Hamer, Souza, Brereton Diaz, Rak-Sakyi, Brooks, Choudhury and Moore?

Have you been drinking methanol?

it will be by the end of the window
keep the faith UTB

 

[pollster]

No idea how Wilder gets the blame and the owners don’t. Do you think wilder wanted to sell Brooks & Hamer and not have any money or preparation to replace?

This time last season we still had our ‘stars’ and got battered. I’d take today over that any day

More selective memory
Last season we sold Souza at the start of the window
Star defender Anel days before the game
and for me a top striker as well Moore
We literally sold the team spine
CB CM CF
We literally sold the teams HEIGHT
Anel 6' 4"
Souza 6' 2"
Moore 6' 5"

We had literally one fit CM player Peck
Although I would have kept Blacker until we signed more
(Wilder has signed 3 at 30+ yo)

WE DID NOT HAVE A BALANCED TEAM let alone a team of stars.

 

[pollster]

1pt more than last season, let's wait until the Transfer Window closes and see where we are then with the squad and make additions in the JTW.

We beat Birmingham 3-0 at home last season

 

[sportsmanblade]

never seen such a bunch of wet wipes its football you've got to take the sweets with sours 1 game in and crying you not watch any other the other games this weekend
ITS THE CHAMPIONSHIP since when is our fanbase become so entitled

 

[sportsmanblade]

We beat Birmingham 3-0 at home last season

is that birmingham team same as last season you could argue we had 2 chances to have all 3 if it wasn't for decent stops from there keeper i dont think cooper had anything to do apart from routine catches early days we will become more potent bamford is guarenteed goals at this level

 

[luffenhamblade]

But it wasn't, we were fucked and sat on edge of our box regularly. That's not conditioning.

So we are now slagging off 1-0 wins. Given our history and where we are now, I find that weird. I'd take the results and yws, performances from that season until towards the end of the season (yep, I know the arguments, but I think it is hugely more preferable than much of our recent history and where we are now. I know some think we deserve the moon and the stars), but there is a word called realism - maybe look it up?

 

[Tarqs]

And there it is alongside the other perpetual negative miseries.

But it's factual right?

 

[Tarqs]

So we are now slagging off 1-0 wins. Given our history and where we are now, I find that weird. I'd take the results and yws, performances from that season until towards the end of the season (yep, I know the arguments, but I think it is hugely more preferable than much of our recent history and where we are now. I know some think we deserve the moon and the stars), but there is a word called realism - maybe look it up?

Who was slagging off the wins?

I was saying we haven't been a fit side for a long time.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

never seen such a bunch of wet wipes its football you've got to take the sweets with sours 1 game in and crying you not watch any other the other games this weekend
ITS THE CHAMPIONSHIP since when is our fanbase become so entitled

I was happy with the result on Saturday.

Birmingham are a better team than us, they finished above us last season and they'll finish above us this season.

To come away with a point and a clean sheet was quite pleasing.

Especially after the debacle against Bristol City on opening day last season.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

And yet we are not interested in selling Cannon for £7 million as he is the future (******* GRIM some of us would say)
Signed 3 more 30+ year olds on big wages
Have bid for an Argentine defender
and bid £8 million plus for Soutarr to play out of position at left centre back not right.
Selective memory syndrome?
Or professional activist?
I could point out the obvious yet again
That Hamer and Brooks were two of the best attacking players in the division
SHOULD have got us to the playoffs last season
but were BOTH PLAYED OUT OF POSITION
reducing their efficacy, TRANSFER VALUE and the team outcomes hence our mediocrity.

Genuinely don’t think most of that is anywhere near correct.

Danny Hall had said we’ve bid £4m-£5m for Souttar

I’m not sure why you have an issue with us offering for an Argentinian centre half, seems quite an irrelevant point

Phillips is on pay as you play, Rothwell & Bamford nobody knows what they earn, you’re speculating

United paid £10m for Cannon 2 years ago, if we got an offer of £7m he’d go, 1000%

I think you have selective reading syndrome if I’ve got selective memory syndrome

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

Because that money presented an opportunity to modernise the club and set us up for the next 15 years, and it’s been squandered on vanity projects.

It got us to 9th in the Premier League and a good few years of parachute payments, what vanity projects have there been?

 

[derfblade.3]

Seems to be a lot of talk regarding our 3-0 win v Brum last season. A lot more direct than Saturday and miles quicker although Brum were reduced to 10 men for a good portion of the match. P.S , Gus looked to be on fire.

 

[sportsmanblade]

I was happy with the result on Saturday.

Birmingham are a better team than us, they finished above us last season and they'll finish above us this season.

To come away with a point and a clean sheet was quite pleasing.

Especially after the debacle against Bristol City on opening day last season.

how was they better than us in that game? thought we had the better chances they had more of the ball was a game of two halves cant expect to much from first game of season other than a clean sheet more importantly