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Finally caught up with this thread after a weekend away, and it’s worth noting that CW does seem to get a lot of get out of jail free cards seemingly based on his first season here.

I didn’t want him back for the third time, but equally, he is part of a wider problem, seemingly throughout the club off field also.

For reference, Cannon gets a lot of stick on here, everything from being useless to non-existent (playing with ten men etc), and it all sounds familiar to another expansive young striker we overpaid for.

Cannon is young, learning his best position and feeding off scraps. Yet, he needs removing from the club.

CW has been here before, knows the club, knows the financial situation, knows what we need, and knows the players, yet his approach is consistently baffling. I’ve raised this several times that even in the 92pt season, we were on thin ice, and our inadequacies were found out in the worst way. There was no plan B.

CW has come out and said we can address these issues this season, but 2 weeks from the window closing and we have key positions missing starting players, and being linked with players CW knows only. It’s like he’s trying to reinvent past form by hiring past players, and not recognising that the game has moved on.

And yet, to some he is immune to criticism due to his past success. It’s a free pass.

A point at home isn’t to be sniffed at sure, but to look and say, “well we lost last season” doesn’t cut it. We still have no plan or shape, and seem to be again relying on “star” players like Donovan and COH to make something happen.

Eventually, those get out of jail free cards will run out, and we’ll need to align as a fan base behind a structural change top to bottom, and the patience that requires.

Unfortunately, our owners tried and got burned, so have less money to try again. Even extending his contract shows we’re in this for the long run already.

I don’t think we’ll go down, but equally we’re not doing anything special this season.

Selles wasn’t given the chance to even use his targets and signings, he’d gone by then. He was the wrong choice but I fail to believe that literally everyone apart from CW can manage this team.
 
ekke287 said:
Finally caught up with this thread after a weekend away, and it’s worth noting that CW does seem to get a lot of get out of jail free cards seemingly based on his first season here.

I didn’t want him back for the third time, but equally, he is part of a wider problem, seemingly throughout the club off field also.

For reference, Cannon gets a lot of stick on here, everything from being useless to non-existent (playing with ten men etc), and it all sounds familiar to another expansive young striker we overpaid for.

Cannon is young, learning his best position and feeding off scraps. Yet, he needs removing from the club.

CW has been here before, knows the club, knows the financial situation, knows what we need, and knows the players, yet his approach is consistently baffling. I’ve raised this several times that even in the 92pt season, we were on thin ice, and our inadequacies were found out in the worst way. There was no plan B.

CW has come out and said we can address these issues this season, but 2 weeks from the window closing and we have key positions missing starting players, and being linked with players CW knows only. It’s like he’s trying to reinvent past form by hiring past players, and not recognising that the game has moved on.

And yet, to some he is immune to criticism due to his past success. It’s a free pass.

A point at home isn’t to be sniffed at sure, but to look and say, “well we lost last season” doesn’t cut it. We still have no plan or shape, and seem to be again relying on “star” players like Donovan and COH to make something happen.

Eventually, those get out of jail free cards will run out, and we’ll need to align as a fan base behind a structural change top to bottom, and the patience that requires.

Unfortunately, our owners tried and got burned, so have less money to try again. Even extending his contract shows we’re in this for the long run already.

I don’t think we’ll go down, but equally we’re not doing anything special this season.

Selles wasn’t given the chance to even use his targets and signings, he’d gone by then. He was the wrong choice but I fail to believe that literally everyone apart from CW can manage this team.
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I don’t think most people are saying Wilder is the only manager who can handle this team. What they’re saying is that, right now, we need a manager like Wilder someone who can manage the club properly on and off the field.

If we had a better budget and a recruitment team that actually knew what they were doing, I don’t think anyone would be devastated to see Wilder move on. I agree that in the season we missed out on promotion, there were clear signs of tactical naivety. When he was sacked, I was one of the fans on here who supported the decision; but in hindsight, I think I was wrong.

Wilder deserved last season to see if he could put things right, get a few more of his players in (like McBurnie etc) and if he couldn’t, then ideally we’d be starting this season with a clean slate and a new manager. But that’s not the situation we’re in.
 
Tarqs said:
Who was slagging off the wins?

I was saying we haven't been a fit side for a long time.
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But the last 3 games, Bochum, Mansfield and Birmingham, didn't we keep going for the whole 90 mins instead of fading away after about 65/70?
 
luffenhamblade said:
Yep
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So at what point does quoting Wilder having fit squads, and saying I don't believe he does considering how we were clinging on plenty of times 2024/2025 (and threw away 30 points 2025/2026)... doesn't relay I'm moaning about the squads fitness.
 
Harrisblade said:
But the last 3 games, Bochum, Mansfield and Birmingham, didn't we keep going for the whole 90 mins instead of fading away after about 65/70?
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Ok, i'll hold my hands up.

We look very fit.
 
ekke287 said:
Finally caught up with this thread after a weekend away, and it’s worth noting that CW does seem to get a lot of get out of jail free cards seemingly based on his first season here.

I didn’t want him back for the third time, but equally, he is part of a wider problem, seemingly throughout the club off field also.

For reference, Cannon gets a lot of stick on here, everything from being useless to non-existent (playing with ten men etc), and it all sounds familiar to another expansive young striker we overpaid for.

Cannon is young, learning his best position and feeding off scraps. Yet, he needs removing from the club.

CW has been here before, knows the club, knows the financial situation, knows what we need, and knows the players, yet his approach is consistently baffling. I’ve raised this several times that even in the 92pt season, we were on thin ice, and our inadequacies were found out in the worst way. There was no plan B.

CW has come out and said we can address these issues this season, but 2 weeks from the window closing and we have key positions missing starting players, and being linked with players CW knows only. It’s like he’s trying to reinvent past form by hiring past players, and not recognising that the game has moved on.

And yet, to some he is immune to criticism due to his past success. It’s a free pass.

A point at home isn’t to be sniffed at sure, but to look and say, “well we lost last season” doesn’t cut it. We still have no plan or shape, and seem to be again relying on “star” players like Donovan and COH to make something happen.

Eventually, those get out of jail free cards will run out, and we’ll need to align as a fan base behind a structural change top to bottom, and the patience that requires.

Unfortunately, our owners tried and got burned, so have less money to try again. Even extending his contract shows we’re in this for the long run already.

I don’t think we’ll go down, but equally we’re not doing anything special this season.

Selles wasn’t given the chance to even use his targets and signings, he’d gone by then. He was the wrong choice but I fail to believe that literally everyone apart from CW can manage this team.
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Very few are saying no one other than CW. It’s just difficult to see anyone doing a much better job. That said we need to be reviewing come November as he hasn’t used whatever resources he has come then we need to use the rest of the season embedding a whole new approach and not wait until the end of the season.
 
Tarqs said:
So at what point does quoting Wilder having fit squads, and saying I don't believe he does considering how we were clinging on plenty of times 2024/2025 (and threw away 30 points 2025/2026)... doesn't relay I'm moaning about the squads fitness.
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I’m not asking you to give up… just move on. It’s called opinions.
 
Kona said:
I agree with much of this, although I’d be inclined to make a change earlier if we don’t look like we’re making progress or playing well.

That way a new manager will have some time to work with the players before making a decision whether they fit in with future plans… and ideally bring in new recruits early in the window!
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WHO though?
 
pedro said:
WHO though?
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I don’t know the answer to that, it’s not my field of expertise.

There are many managers out there though and the club should be considering its next move/planning for the future.
 



Kona said:
I don’t know the answer to that, it’s not my field of expertise.

There are many managers out there though and the club should be considering its next move/planning for the future.
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Absolutely but at the moment we don’t know whether the next phase is CW or someone else. One for Novemberish.
 
Harrisblade said:
It's probably us having a clean sheet that's upset our so called supporters.
It was obviously a huge disappointment for so many 🙄
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So we have to lose to have an opinion?

It’s a public forum specifically for raising viewpoints. It’s this kind of division and side picking that reinforces my opinion of CWs reappointment driving a wedge down the middle of the fanbase.
 
ekke287 said:
So we have to lose to have an opinion?

It’s a public forum specifically for raising viewpoints. It’s this kind of division and side picking that reinforces my opinion of CWs reappointment driving a wedge down the middle of the fanbase.
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It's just strange that we have so many opinions when we lose but it all goes much quieter if we've won!
I've often wondered why that is.
 
Maidenhead said:
Actually the only reason "we've been punching " is because of what Heckingbottom achieved.

Without his promotion we'd be in a far worse state than we are now.
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Yes but didn’t Willder bring Hecky in?
Maidenhead said:
Actually the only reason "we've been punching " is because of what Heckingbottom achieved.

Without his promotion we'd be in a far worse state than we are now.
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Didnt Wilder bring in Hecky? - Look I know opinions differ but tell me when it’s gone well for us when we’ve tried to have a reset and change the DNA of the club? I’ve been watching us since the late 1970s and Apart from arguably Kendall and Spackman the best times have pretty much all come from resolute, up and at them, muck and brass football. It’s not always worked, the football under Blackwell was bloody awful but some of the good times under Harry, Warnock and Wilder have been the best.

Yet we seem to have thread after thread after thread attempting to undermine the club and divide the fan base. What do these fans want? jocanović back again or maybe Selles? Cos we won’t be bringing in any top guys, we can’t afford it. Surely Chris’ biggest critics have to accept he loves the club and I’d take that any day over some mediocre cliché ridden nonentity with no understanding of the soul of the club and no idea how to put a winning team together.
 
ekke287 said:
So we have to lose to have an opinion?

It’s a public forum specifically for raising viewpoints. It’s this kind of division and side picking that reinforces my opinion of CWs reappointment driving a wedge down the middle of the fanbase.
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It’s more the barbed comments on both sides that are the issue. Really good to see you mention opinion, that’s the whole point on both sides, too many feel they are right as opposed to the reality that it is purely opinion.
 
Paulus said:
Yes but didn’t Willder bring Hecky in?

Didnt Wilder bring in Hecky? - Look I know opinions differ but tell me when it’s gone well for us when we’ve tried to have a reset and change the DNA of the club? I’ve been watching us since the late 1970s and Apart from arguably Kendall and Spackman the best times have pretty much all come from resolute, up and at them, muck and brass football. It’s not always worked, the football under Blackwell was bloody awful but some of the good times under Harry, Warnock and Wilder have been the best.

Yet we seem to have thread after thread after thread attempting to undermine the club and divide the fan base. What do these fans want? jocanović back again or maybe Selles? Cos we won’t be bringing in any top guys, we can’t afford it. Surely Chris’ biggest critics have to accept he loves the club and I’d take that any day over some mediocre cliché ridden nonentity with no understanding of the soul of the club and no idea how to put a winning team together.
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The latter part is the main issue, continually putting square pegs into round holes when there are options available to put the players into their proper positions.
Whilst He (Wilder) continues to do this then the notion of putting a winning team together with what we currently have is simply pie in the sky.
 
KMC-1889 said:
and? Did we get a trophy? Where did the money go? Are we closer to finishing in the premier league or league one now?
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Did it get us a trophy?? 😂
Where did the money go - wages and transfer fees plus ground and training ground improvements.
If you want us to be sat now with lots of cash saved from the premier league days you are also talking against your own argument for success as it takes cash - lots of it that we don’t and probably never will have.

I’d lower your expectations or support another team mate as you are going to be disappointed if 2 promotions and a 9th place PL finish are not good enough.
 



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