Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[Dkc]

He's had sufficient time this season to turn it around

What has he done if not turn it around? We were on six losses in a row when he came in. Was he supposed to get us promoted from that position?

 

[JT89]

What has he done if not turn it around? We were on six losses in a row when he came in. Was he supposed to get us promoted from that position?

After 6 games we were 6 points behind Southampton who were 19th and 5 behind Derby who were 21st.

Southampton currently 4th, Derby 8th (4 points off playoffs with 2 to play)

Wilder got us safe, but to make out he’s achieved anything extraordinary is nonsense.

 

[UTB Blade]

You didn't mention Wilder by name, no. That said, is there any other manager, that you could have been referring to here:


I hardly see why those "ludicrous short-sighted calls" would be referencing Bassett or Hecky, considering neither of them is currently our manager.

But feel free to keep claiming a straw man to make yourself feel better.

I made a perfectly reasonable response to your post, it's a shame you couldn't have responded in kind, instead of resorting to a nasty, sneery little dig. However...

I'll feel free to keep appreciating people who've done well for this club and to keep making perfectly reasonable posts to that effect, and you feel free to keep making nasty, sneery little digs at both Wilder and posters like me who appreciate him. It seems nasty, sneery little digs is all you're capable of, so crack on, I'll not waste any more of my time reading it.

 

[Blade56]

I am not a Wilder fanatic, but I am a pro not sacking him this summer.

Its a strange rationale but here is my reasoning.

January 2024- Wilder appointed in the PL with a task of rebuilding the side. We got relegated but he was given the task of a squad rebuild.

Summer transfer window 2024- huge turnover of players, we brought in some good signings but it was fairly obvious that we weren't quite finished.

December 2024- Doing well in the league, injuries had meant bringing in academy players showing again the squad wasn't quite finished.

May 2025- having been top at Christmas, we miss out on autos and then mess up the play off final.

If we had kept him last summer and let him carry on the journey, we could have decided if it wasn't working to then get rid.

As it stands now, we are basically in the same place (but worse off) that 2 years ago.


I hope this doesn't happen but Wilder needs to leave the club either on a high or on a very clear low all of his making.

That way we can all move on from him one way or another.


bringing in a new manager this summer will just lead to a repeat of last summer unless very quickly they have amazing success... with no money... and a crap squad.

Wilder needed the break more than the club he was physically and mentally cooked.

 

[skegblade]

What has he done if not turn it around? We were on six losses in a row when he came in. Was he supposed to get us promoted from that position?

You seen our home form lately ?

 

[Shadota]

I made a perfectly reasonable response to your post, it's a shame you couldn't have responded in kind, instead of resorting to a nasty, sneery little dig. However...

I'll feel free to keep appreciating people who've done well for this club and to keep making perfectly reasonable posts to that effect, and you feel free to keep making nasty, sneery little digs at both Wilder and posters like me who appreciate him. It seems nasty, sneery little digs is all you're capable of, so crack on, I'll not waste any more of my time reading it.

"Perfectly reasonable response"? Yeah, I'm sure everyone on this forum goes out of their way to find a cartoon depiction of a straw man. That seems a perfectly ordinary thing to do.

I'm amused by the "nasty, sneering little digs" comment too. What did I say besides highlighting the silliness of your straw man claim. It was silly in my opinion for you to claim that, so I responded in kind.

And then icing on the cake - zero attempt to rebut my point that you blatantly referenced Wilder, even if you didn't include his name. Instead just ignoring it entirely, at the expense of one small (albeit facetious) comment.

I'm always happy to discuss pros and cons of CW, but it so often ends up like this - claiming in some manner that I'm arguing in bad faith, and that they'll pay me no heed. That's disappointing but I'll live with it.

 

[Dkc]

You seen our home form lately ?

14 points from past ten home games. Averaging 1.4 points per game. Not the best I agree but not certainly not the worst.

 

[SB_90]

They were. But its 2 seasons of really struggling to consistently bear decent teams

& would be 2 wins in 15 v promoted teams in the last 2 seasons

 

[luffenhamblade]

After 6 games we were 6 points behind Southampton who were 19th and 5 behind Derby who were 21st.

Southampton currently 4th, Derby 8th (4 points off playoffs with 2 to play)

Wilder got us safe, but to make out he’s achieved anything extraordinary is nonsense.

Agree with you and Dkc, both make perfect sense.

 

[luffenhamblade]

You seen our home form lately ?

I enjoyed the second half of the Hull game - well, maybe the last quarter

 

[Tarqs]

14 points from past ten home games. Averaging 1.4 points per game. Not the best I agree but not certainly not the worst.

Or 5 points from the last 6. The obly win coming courtesy of the red and penalty vs hull.

 

[Dkc]

Agree with you and Dkc, both make perfect sense.

I agree it's been a mediocre season. Knocked out of both cups early and a mid-table finish. Imagine the flak Wilder would have got for finishing mid-table if the Selles debacle hadn't happened.

The thing is, most clubs' seasons end this way. They might flirt with the playoffs or relegation but unable to go up or down by the end of April.

Margins are fine. Three more wins and we'd still have a chance of the playoffs. Watford and Preston were challenging at one point. Now they have the same points as us. Former relegation candidates Blackburn and West Brom are now only five points below us.

Neither Sheffield United nor any other Championship club will be challenging for promotion every season. There will be good times and bad.

We can be thankful that we didn't have a season like Leicester or the pigs. We are in what many say is the best league in the world for fans. It is not dominated by a handful of big clubs and anyone can beat anyone.

We have a fantastic city centre stadium that most clubs envy, great support and are totally dominating our closest rivals. We have a lot to be thankful for. Personally I'd rather be mid table in the Championship than getting dry-bummed every week in the PL. Bring on next season.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

It's quite frightening the position we are in I cannot remember in all my life such a poor squad of players we have.
The question is who could come in and maybe get a tune out of these players also start the process of wheeling and dealing to get rid of the Dross and bring new players in.
Wilder has first hand experience of the squad is it worth giving him the summer to rebuilt?.
If we had owners and someone at the club who knows football to sit down with Wilder today and ask him what the plan is surely they have decided who goes and what we need to bring in.
Get this wrong and we are in serious trouble.

Under both Clough and Adkins the squads were terrible compared to this squad.

 

[brownblade]

We saw during our best form, that we could have got promoted from the league this season. What happened to that form?! It didn't just fade, it was worse than that.

We have multiple better players than almost every other team in the league. There are excuses available but I'm not sure they should be needed.

Performances and metrics were low standard enough last season that CW lost his job. I have sympathy with the circumstances, but I'm not sure I've still got the patience.

I don't imagine CW will build a new squad that will evolve and compete over a 3-5 year period - that's why I'd prefer he gracefully steps away now (with a big, positive send off final home game) and we employ a management structure DoF etc + Head Coach which can roll with the punches for years to come, future planning at all times.

 

[Dkc]

We saw during our best form, that we could have got promoted from the league this season. What happened to that form?! It didn't just fade, it was worse than that.

We have multiple better players than almost every other team in the league. There are excuses available but I'm not sure they should be needed.

Performances and metrics were low standard enough last season that CW lost his job. I have sympathy with the circumstances, but I'm not sure I've still got the patience.

I don't imagine CW will build a new squad that will evolve and compete over a 3-5 year period - that's why I'd prefer he gracefully steps away now (with a big, positive send off final home game) and we employ a management structure DoF etc + Head Coach which can roll with the punches for years to come, future planning at all times.

Davies has done well but before Cooper's injury we were on course for a top six finish. The slump coincided with McCallum's injury too, though he wasn't starting every game.

 

[Blademan89]

Or 5 points from the last 6. The obly win coming courtesy of the red and penalty vs hull.

It wasnt the only win, we won vs Watford too.... but their players was on holiday as well and couldnt wait for season to finish as well... going through the motions.

 

[Back post bob]

One thing that annoys me is his attitude to cup games and the the rotation of players when there is three games in a week.
We have dropped points at home due to this many times when we have played a weaker team with one eye on the following game .
Think Norwich at home.

 

[Blademan89]

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We saw during our best form, that we could have got promoted from the league this season. What happened to that form?! It didn't just fade, it was worse than that.

We have multiple better players than almost every other team in the league. There are excuses available but I'm not sure they should be needed.

Performances and metrics were low standard enough last season that CW lost his job. I have sympathy with the circumstances, but I'm not sure I've still got the patience.

I don't imagine CW will build a new squad that will evolve and compete over a 3-5 year period - that's why I'd prefer he gracefully steps away now (with a big, positive send off final home game) and we employ a management structure DoF etc + Head Coach which can roll with the punches for years to come, future planning at all times.

November - December time we was flying, playing some good attacking football with 2 strikers and 2 high wide wingers (almost a front 4)... we pressed high and quickly and attacked with purpose. We all thought it was the turn around almost but done 5 points off the play offs with a good chunk of games left and those above to play. Then all of a sudden like a light switch just went off..and we reverted bsck to being inconsistent poor play and games also formations changing again going back to trying to sit in.

It was as if we decided we dont want to go for the play offs and decided to throw rest of the season (im not saying we did or would do something like that) but just the way we stopped playing was odd, you dont go from scoring 3 goals a game and winning in a 6-7 match run to then losing and playing like a bunch of retards.

 

[Blademan89]

One thing that annoys me is his attitude to cup games and the the rotation of players when there is three games in a week.
We have dropped points at home due to this many times when we have played a weaker team with one eye on the following game .
Think Norwich at home.

Cup games have always been the same under wilder i think there was 1 season where we got to quater final and it was covid season at our best.

Hes never treated any cup with respect nor the fans. And then they wonder why we only get 5k in a 3rd round match. Its also as players that go out cant be arsed either and usually its a piss poor performance who ever he puts out, its disrespectful to the fans.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

I am not a Wilder fanatic, but I am a pro not sacking him this summer.

Its a strange rationale but here is my reasoning.

January 2024- Wilder appointed in the PL with a task of rebuilding the side. We got relegated but he was given the task of a squad rebuild.

Summer transfer window 2024- huge turnover of players, we brought in some good signings but it was fairly obvious that we weren't quite finished.

December 2024- Doing well in the league, injuries had meant bringing in academy players showing again the squad wasn't quite finished.

May 2025- having been top at Christmas, we miss out on autos and then mess up the play off final.

If we had kept him last summer and let him carry on the journey, we could have decided if it wasn't working to then get rid.

As it stands now, we are basically in the same place (but worse off) that 2 years ago.


I hope this doesn't happen but Wilder needs to leave the club either on a high or on a very clear low all of his making.

That way we can all move on from him one way or another.


bringing in a new manager this summer will just lead to a repeat of last summer unless very quickly they have amazing success... with no money... and a crap squad.

We haven't got a single midfielder who can play a simple throughball for Cannon to run onto, closest we have is CO'H but he tends to hold onto it for far too long.

Someone sent one through after 30 seconds on Wednesday. Guess what Tom did.

 

[brownblade]

Davies has done well but before Cooper's injury we were on course for a top six finish. The slump coincided with McCallum's injury too, though he wasn't starting every game.

I do agree and said as much when it happened RE Cooper>Davies drop off. It's the only real excuse I think.

It doesn't excuse the standard of play from the assorted 10 outfield players though.

 

[CPB]

Davies has done well but before Cooper's injury we were on course for a top six finish. The slump coincided with McCallum's injury too, though he wasn't starting every game.

There does seem to be a correlation between McCallum and Cooper picking up injury and our form getting worse.

Although I do think our inconsistency throughout the season seemed to just be highlighted more. Often that final 3rd of the season brings out the quality of grinding results out as performances can become 2nd Vs results. I think it shows this squad isn't actually very good at grinding out results. Unlike our squad last season.

And like others have said some players know they ain't here next season whether that is them wanting out or not. It means you are aware you don't want to pick up injury. (Lundstram played like that for 9 months once)

But in January after the chaos of Charlton which fed into Southampton away.

We then beat Ipswich and should have beat Millwall away. We were the better side in that game with Brooks in particular causing Millwall alot of problems. This was when McCallum picked up his injury.

Feb was inconsistent with losses to Coventry and Boro. But wins elsewhere.
Against Coventry we got on top and scored then capitulated in a 10 mins spell. But that 2nd half Cooper was carrying an injury by all accounts.

Since then we've managed only 2 wins.
This isn't on Davies, but again does it highlight our depth just isn't there.

Burrows is good going forward but seems to be very suspect this season at the back. Do think he may be more suited to wing back really.

 

[Champagneblade]

After 6 games we were 6 points behind Southampton who were 19th and 5 behind Derby who were 21st.

Southampton currently 4th, Derby 8th (4 points off playoffs with 2 to play)

Wilder got us safe, but to make out he’s achieved anything extraordinary is nonsense.

To be fair to Wilder, Southampton were underperforming with the squad they had. United’s squad was poorly assembled and simply incapable of the form Saints are now showing.

That for me is the main difference.

 

[Tazzy]

When the squad needed a boost in midfield in jan .who did he bring in ? 2 unfit players for key positions says it all to me about wilder get shut

 

[Revolution]

Cup games have always been the same under wilder i think there was 1 season where we got to quater final and it was covid season at our best.

Hes never treated any cup with respect nor the fans. And then they wonder why we only get 5k in a 3rd round match. Its also as players that go out cant be arsed either and usually its a piss poor performance who ever he puts out, its disrespectful to the fans.

I'm a massive FA Cup fan but the club may as well not enter the League Cup for all of the effort that the players and managers put in over the time I've been watching us. Wev'e got past the last 16 twice in nearly 50 years. Pathetic. Wilder is one of the biggest culprits.

For all of his problems this season I would keep Wilder, for the same reason a number of other people would keep him. We are owned by people who in football terms are morons. They are more likely than not to saddle us again with a terrible appointment and more crap players if left to their own devices.

 

[Revolution]

To be fair to Wilder, Southampton were underperforming with the squad they had. United’s squad was poorly assembled and simply incapable of the form Saints are now showing.

That for me is the main difference.

They had the huge handicap of Will Still who, like his brother at Watford, is incapable of managing at this level.

 

[SB_90]

Or 5 points from the last 6. The obly win coming courtesy of the red and penalty vs hull.

i was saying at work. since wilder took over we are 9th in the table (excluding 1st 5). which is hard to believe because i don't believe we have been the 9th best team in the league since September. & yet there we are

 

[calcalcal]

One big issue we seem to have is a left back and a right back who cant defend. Its like playing with a back 2 and then obviously they've not been great either

Crying out for a back 3 and letting those lads push up more and do their thing

 

[Willglynning]

One big issue we seem to have is a left back and a right back who cant defend. Its like playing with a back 2 and then obviously they've not been great either

Crying out for a back 3 and letting those lads push up more and do their thing

We might as well have been playing with a back three on Wednesday for the first half and that was potentially the worst we've looked all season.

What we're really crying out for is a manager with even the tiniest shred of tactical flexibility.

 

[Blades1971]

One thing that annoys me is his attitude to cup games and the the rotation of players when there is three games in a week.
We have dropped points at home due to this many times when we have played a weaker team with one eye on the following game .
Think Norwich at home.

I agree. You would think these fringe player's would be chomping at the bit to get a chance in cup games. They ought to be giving Wilder a headache about team selection. They don't. Why?
Wednesday night was an example.